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Posted: 8/10/2007 7:06:36 AM EDT
| going to the gun show saturday, which AK47 is the one to have?? or not have??? thank-you for any help... |
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Best value would be a Yugo underfolder, if you like them. Should be mid 400's. A little heavier than usual due to the burly parts (RPK receiver, thicker barrel), but one of my favorites for the price. A milled AK of any type is cool, if you can find one. I've been considering a Yugo RPK, if you would like to try something a little larger. And of course, the quality brands others have mentioned like the Arsenals and Vectors... Happy Hunting! Make sure to save money for ammo! |
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Century Arms Yugo M70 Cheaper than Vector by a bit, and cheaper than Arsenal by far, with a 50% thicker receiver than your standard stamped receiver AK. VEPRs are built on similar receivers, just not sure how they stack up pricewise. There may also be some interchangeability issues with the VEPR in terms of stocks and handguards, but Im not sure, perhaps a VEPR owner will chime in as to whether or not this is correct. |
You'll have a hard time getting any descent opinions here w/o more detailed info about what you want (full stock, underfolder, etc.) and what price range you're tied to. Most of the newbs here, that ask your same general question every few days (hint hint), have a price range from $400 - $700, so I'l assume that you do too. Anyway, gun shows tend to have more run-of-the-mill AK's, and less of the higher quality stuff. Assuming the price range I mentioned is accurate for you, see if you can find a Vector or one of Lancaster's Polish AK's. They put together a pretty good underfolder. If you are willing and able to drop a few more Benjamin's, then look for a milled receiver Arsenal (SAM7, SASM7, etc.) Whatever you buy, be sure to look the rifle over really well for fit and finish. If you buy an underfolder, make sure the mechanism is tight and functions properly. |
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Stay away from WASR's and any other AK's that do not look to be put together very well. Make sure all the furniture is fitted well to the receiver and do a few trigger pulls to feel how smooth it is after a weapon charge. The problem is the some AK builders put them together will all kinds of parts from various countries/manufactureres. Just take your time and don't rush into buying anything. |
WRONG, the WASR10's were manufactured to accept HIGH CAPS. * I know - Since I own one* in the Wisconsin area they go for around 350.00 ish., wood stock is a bit cheaper. do your home work, ok.
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well, that rules out the AK......better spent money on a SKS. |
Would someone school this individual on what the WASR's for $229.00 are? Wrong? Show me where you can get a WASR at Dunham's for $229.00 in WI or anywhere else? The $229.00 WASRs at Dunham's that the individual mentioned in his post are single stack rifles just like I said. If you are so all knowing about WASRs as you claim you would know that the WASRs also come in single stack.
Converting the low cap WASR-10 available at Dunham's for $229.00 to hi-cap |
The $229ish WASR's at Dunham's are most likely single stacks and the $349+ ones are double-stack rifles. |
you are the one thats in fact wrong. WASRs were ALL made/manufactured as low cap rifles. SOME had their mag wells dremeled out so they could accept high caps. Century is responsible for the dremel job. if they were not made as low caps and imported as such, they would not be able to enter the US. Period. |
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Dieter122, You are exactly right. No WASR is imported into the US as a Hi-cap rifle. Which means none of the WASRs in the US were manufactured to accept hi-cap mags. They are milled out after arriving in the US and not all of them are sold as hi-cap rifles but are lo-cap rifles, like the $229.00 lo-cap rifles at Dunham's. |
ah, what ever....no matter what anyone here says, they are wrong & you are gonna be right. let me guess you used to be a school yard bully, right ? Always impossing your will on others.....
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hardly ever a bully... no sorry but when someone here posts mis-information and claims its true, and I know better, I must speak up. What you stated was incorrect, I am simply correcting you. Live with it, and learn the new info thats all. This is assistance. |
ok, I can live with that, I appologize, Peace ?  truce ?
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There are no more good AK's out there except for Arsenal, and you will pay for those. 1) Vector barrels are now made by green mountain with no chrome 2) Saigas cannot except hi-cap magazines excepts those made by atlantic firearms since they lack the bullet feedramp, and its still illegal to use atlantic mags without doing a conversion. 3) Most Century AK's have the infamous canted front sight and no chrome barrels 4) Veprs made by atlantic have screwed in bullet feedramps which are prone to failure and you could buy an Arsenal for almost the same price. In conclusion the only game in town is arsenal, and I can buy a really nice AR for that price. Now that all the parts kits are gone there is just nothing good left for us peasants. |
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Where do you guys come up with this stuff. VEPRs made by Atlantic? I didn't know Atlantic had a factory in Russia. SAIGAs made by Atlantic? I own a couple of SAIGA rifles and nowhere do they say Atlantic Firearms on them. Mine says imported by Russian American Armory and made by IZHMACH IZHEVSK RUSSIA. Must be the Russian office of Atlantic Firearms. My .308 accepts hi-cap mags but they were made by FBMG and that is in Utah, while Atlantic Firearms is in Maryland. I'm a bit confused here, FBMG must be the Western office of Atlantic Firearms. I don't know that Atlantic Firearms makes or modifies any firearm themselves. They post here frequently and this is the first I have heard that they are now building firearms and manufacturing firearms parts. You don't need to do a pistol grip conversion to use hi-cap mags in a Saiga if you don't want to. You just have to reduce the number of imported parts below 10. Now if a Saiga has 14 countable parts then you have to replace 4 parts with US parts to use hi-caps. Gas piston and a US mag or gas piston, hammer mag follower and baseplate will do the job. Install a bullet guide and file down the mag catch and it is legal without doing a complete conversion. The conversion of the Saiga is straight forward and anyone should be able to do it with a bit of research and with less than $400.00 you can have a decent Russian AK. All the parts kits are gone???? Still Romanian, Polish Tantal, Virgin M70 Stamped, Hungarian AMD-65, Hungarian AMMS under folding, Bulgarian Krinkov, Polish AKMS, Bulgarian AK-74 and AK-74S kits. Check out Copes Distributing and Ohio Rapid Fire. Century rifles have canted sights and no chrome barrels? Incorrect. The Century Yugo rifles are now being made without chromelined barrels, but the Century imported rifles have chromelined barrels. Century canted sights? Yes, some Century Romanian rifles have had canted sights, but none of mine do. If you inspect the rifle before purchasing and do your research first then you don't need to buy one with canted sites. |
AF builds nothing as far as I know and his post is very uninformed. As for parts kits....most of the ones at Copes are only $25.00-$50.00 than they were a year ago Part Kits A Saiga conversion is fairly easy to do and if you don't want to screw the bullet guide in you can get a simple rivet set to rivet it in. With a rivet set which is similar to a punch type device. Some guys even weld them in. |
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texasaggie, I did not misunderstand your post. You are right, there are no more good AKs (currently manufactured) out there except for Arsenal. AK without hammer forged chrome lined barrel ...  Saiga and Vepr are just semi-auto FUDD guns. No need to mention that POS by Century. |
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You guys should just sell your AKs and get into something else. Piss and moan. Maybe you will all be happier if Hillary gets into office and she and the gang just ban everything but 10/22s and shotguns. For years a large number of people here have been crying about why AKs can't be completely manufactured here in the US. Now companies have stepped up and provided just about every major part needed to build US AKs. Barrels, recievers included, just about every part that counts as a compliance part. And it isn't good enough. So what if the barrels aren't chromelined. The cost has been kept down and you aren't paying over $1,000 for the majority of the rifles and there are more available to everyone that never had one. |
 My top Choice in Kalashnikovs, Three Valmets, A M76 .223,a M76 .308, a M78 .308 All with wood stocks, one Polytech AKS with spike, One Arsenal SLR 105 that is do to be UN Nuterd, One Century M70 AB2, One Virgin Yugo M72 RPK with my Birthdate as Ser #, Three Yugo M92 SBRs with Consecutive Ser# and Cans being built as I wright, Two as factory underfolders and one with a Russian side folder, And my Favorite, Preban Mitchell M77 Sniper in .308 with factory ZRAK scope. My next buys are going to be a Rapid Fire Yugo M76 in 8MM, A Arsenal SLR 106 and a Arsenal SAM 7 when I find one! In that order. I just Love Kalashnikovs, and also I on the list is an AMD-65Best Regards, Chefgun,  |
I agree, for the money yugo's are hard to beat! They're Beefier! |
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