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Originally Posted By PSYWAR1-0: The Recce platform was something that sprung up within the NSW and 5th SFG communities that first became the Special Purpose Receiver built by Crane, which was supposed to be installed on any M4 lower. After a time when the perfect storm of the users wanting a match-grade trigger and the bolt-bounce issue was identified, the Special Purpose Receiver morphed into a complete rifle that was type-classified as the Mk12. Mk12: A BRIEF HISTORY (as authored by "LGT" & "FL") Mk12 Special Purpose Rifle (SPR) Scoped versions of the M16 rifle existed as far back as the 1960s. Like nearly all historic military rifles, the M16 went through decades of efforts to improve its accuracy, both in the military and civilian marksmanship communities. The need for the SPR dates back to the late 1980s and early 1990s when the 7.62mm M21 sniper rifle, a semi-automatic weapon of Vietnam vintage, was replaced by the M24 sniper rifle, a bolt action weapon. The M24 was originally specified to be a .300 Winchester Magnum, but the Army decided to field it in 7.62 NATO for a variety of economic reasons. This left the M24 in the unenviable position of being the worst of both worlds in the eyes of snipers at the time, since it lost the fast-shooing, semiautomatic capability of the M21, but did not gain the range advantage of the .300WM. This compromise left a vacant requirement for a fast-shooting semi-automatic sniper rifle. This need was most apparent in the US Army Special Forces (SF) community, since the other commands within the Special Operations Forces structure filled that need with Knights Armament Corporation's SR-25 sniper rifle. Army SF, being prohibited by its leadership from procuring the SR-25, sought the next best alternative, namely a Special Purpose Receiver (SPR) kit to convert the Army SF M4 carbines into highly accurate rifles. In late 1998, at the request of SFC Steve Holland of 5th Special Forces Group, and the approval of the SOPMOD joint IPT, the Special Operations Peculiar Modifications (SOPMOD) Program Manager, Troy Smith, authorized the purchase of 5 sets of commercial items as an SPR experiment. The original requirement was for USASOC, mainly the SF Groups, as WARCOM had the MK11, 7.62mm system. Once the SPR requirement was developed and demonstrated through experimentation, most of the other commands in USSOCOM added themselves to the Basis of Issue Plan (BOIP). The USSOCOM requirement for the SPR, with improved ammunition, was approved in July 1999, as part of the SOPMOD Kit, Operational Requirements Document, Version 5 (ORD 5). Further initial development included several variants of the SPR and new ammunition that were compatible with the M4 carbine's lower receiver. It was found that standard issue M855 5.56mm ammunition was not consistent enough to meet the requirement. In 2000, based on an upgrade requirement to provide a match-grade trigger to the design, Mr. Paul Miller, the SPR project manager, discovered an opportunity to pick through over 15,000 M16A1s that had been sent to Crane for destruction. Realizing that these M16A1 rifles, some of which were virtually new, could be used as "free lumber" to build full SPR weapons, Paul selected several thousand rifles to be set aside for the new SPR project. The SPR underwent a minor but significant name change, with the R having originally stood for "Receiver" now standing for "Rifle" The new weapon system was worthless without a matching round of ammunition to obtain the performance required. The PEO-SP USSOCOM authorized the new round that became Mk262 as part of the Mk12 system in August 2000. Paul Miller and his SPR team refined the 77-grain prototype ammunition and built approximately 124 SPR Rifles in the summer of 2001. These were finished just in time to ship out to Army SF in late October 2001, to be used in the first invasion of Afghanistan. The SPR rifles were extremely well-received, and the SOF combat units ordered hundreds more. In May 2002, USSOCOM removed the Mk12 and other complete weapons projects from the SOPMOD Program and placed them under the newly-formed USSOCOM Weapons Program. The fielded weapons included two versions (Mk12 Special Purpose Rifle Mod0 and Mod1). Fielding has since been structured for Mk12 Mod1 Special Purpose Rifle only. This rifle is used by Joint USSOCOM Commands and the USMC in combination with M262 (AA53, 77 grain) ammunition. Formal fielding of the full-rate production version of the Mk12 rifle and ammunition occurred in May 2003 and was completed in FY '04. In 2012, as the decade of war on terrorism was winding down and the SCAR weapon system began replacing the requirement for the Mk12, USSOCOM and Naval Special Warfare divested themselves of the Mk12 weapons system, and the Mk12 is now being looked at to fill a Designated Marksman Role within Brown Water Navy commands. View Quote * * * * * * * * * * The following parts lists and substitution parts was compiled by lancecriminal86 over the course of a LOT of research. Read up and pay attention! Below are the 100% .mil-spec parts lists to build a true SPR or Mk12 clone. Some of these parts are no longer manufactured and will require much effort and money to locate through forums and online brokers. Keep in mind the rifles were built off donor M16A1s, hence the prevalent A1 parts in the lower receivers and the BCGs. They were also first configured using parts available from 1998-2004, and most are inferior in some ways to newer designs. If this bothers you too much, STOP NOW. The rifles were issued as a kit in a Pelican 1700 case with cutouts. The kits included the rifle with suppressor, optic, bipod, an Eagle TAS-1 UMSS sling (unobtanium and also absolute crap), with a Dewey 1-piece cleaning rod plus Otis cleaning kit, and a cutout for magazines. An operator's manual was also included, however these have not been officially released for public consumption. However, the manuals are out there, and some companies building Mk12 uppers include one. Whether these are official .mil operator's manuals or specially made is currently unclear as the manual itself still contains language that it is not for distribution. - Alternate .mil-spec parts due to NFA, NLA parts, or changes in name/markings for current production in [brackets] - Extra notes about parts or availability are in (parenthesis) LOWER Lower receivers were standard across the SPR/Mk12 variants and the only variations would be between grips, stocks, and buffers. Most were marked either Colt or GM Hydramatic. All other parts were the same in regards to the lower parts. One caveat is the trigger, as the program originally selected the Knight's Armament 2-stage Full Auto Match trigger. Later on, some issues regarding negligent discharges occurred, and Geissele SSF triggers ultimately found their way into the Mk12 family. Whether 100% of all Mk12s eventually received the Geissele trigger isn't clear, so either is acceptable.
The upper receivers, which ultimately differentiate the four variants of the Mk12, have the most variation between each other. Early SPR/Mod0
ModH, Mod "Holland"
Naturally, once these rifles were issued to units, operators and even Marines used various non-issued parts. Here is a short summary of what has been seen: Early SPR/Mod0: Both Leupold 3.5-10x40mm and 3-9x36mm scopes have been used. Many have had carbine stocks like the old CAR-style, enhanced M4, SOPMOD Gen I, or even the Tactical DuoStock swapped on. Mod1: One 3rd SFG-issued rifle pictured with SSgt Robert J. Miller (MoH recipient) used an A.R.M.S #36 S-EX 5.56mm rail, and a Leupold M3X 10x fixed-power scope, possibly pulled from an M-24 or SR-25 rifle. Another has been seen with a Magpul PRS, LaRue mount, and a Premier Reticles 3-15x used by an AMU shooter, and a similar rifle was pictured on a FOB in a very posed-looking photo. Further, a USMC-issued Mod1 was seen using #22 Medium rings instead of High rings, and a LaRue mount has been spotted as well. Grips have varied from the usual A1, A2, and ERGO, and at least one Magpul MIAD has been used. As with the Mod0s, carbine stocks like the SOPMOD and M4 have been used on Mod1s. ModH: The Mod "Holland" was already a small-batch configuration, but even as soon as they were issued to 5th SFG units, some Ace SOCOM stocks were replaced with Magpul ACS and CTR stocks. Optics are basically anything existing in the unit's inventory, from S&B ShortDots still in the system, the 3-9x and 3.5-10x Leupold scopes from earlier Mod0s, and there's even a photo of an ELCAN on a Mod1 floating around. No non-magnified optics like EOTechs or regular Aimpoint M2/M4s, but Micros have been seen on offset mounts. Backup iron sights, as a whole, were almost entirely left unmounted. Grips were again the same usual selection. Parts Alternatives for Clone Building Many parts are rare, expensive, and/or both. Despite this, there are some alternatives to a 100% pure clone that will still provide the same visual look and performance. While not a museum-grade clone, most would be hard-pressed to discern the difference. Just know there are those of us out there that will haze and peer-pressure you into further moving your build towards a true clone. Barrel: Popular options are the White Oak Armament SPR barrel (rifle gas), BCM's SPR barrel, Rainier's Match and Ultramatch offerings (ensure it's the SPR contour with 12th Model profile), Ballistic Advantage's SPR barrel. Compass Lake Engineering can also spin a Mk12 profiled barrel with a Criterion chrome-lined blank, or even a Krieger, which was one of the original contenders for the program. The DPMS Mk12 barrels are NOT properly profiled for a clone. Optics & Rings: In the case of the Leupold 3-9x or 3.5-10x, it's generally okay to go for a non-illuminated version of either, sometimes with M1 or other turrets and reticles. As far as the NightForce scope, the 2.5-10x24mm is not generally released to the public anymore (with one recent exception through Sniper's Hide), so many use the 32mm or even 42mm versions with the #22 High rings. As for the rings, any of the recent produced A.R.M.S. #22s with the lever-stop humps are functionally the same, the desire for non-lever-stops is purely aesthetic when going for the most authentic look. As LaRue LT-104s have been seen in use, it is justifiable to use one depending on whether you have a specific rifle you want to copy, or even just if you absolutely cannot acquire #22 High rings. A.R.M.S. #38 SWAN Sleeve: The #38 family of sleeves are no longer available. Finding them secondhand usually cost $250-$300 easy, more for rarer early variants. Fortunately, PRi's copies of the sleeves look and function almost identically, with minor visual differences. PRi and other builders supply these currently for complete Mod0 builds. FSB: While the set-screw version of PRi's FSB is spec, most use the cross-bolt, clamp-style version. They are extremely robust, and when aligned and torqued, have been shown to hold strong enough that you'll probably shear your barrel extension pin or upper before it budges. This is mainly how Mod0 uppers are supplied by most vendors, including PRi themselves. Suppressor, Brake/Collar: Diverging from the OPS Inc. or AEM brake and collar will get you MAJOR flak. Trust me, I've been running an AAC SPR/M4 for years now and it took a LONG time to not get clubbed every time I posted it. The Allen Engineering AEM5 is basically the current production of the OPS Inc. 12th Model, as they were originally made by Ron Allen and his team in the first place. Only minor differences separate original OPS Inc. cans from AE cans, and these are only obvious to trained eyes. As far as the rest, you can swap Colt parts out for any other .mil-spec parts, like BCM, DD, CMT, etc. Any billet uppers/lowers, funky BCG coatings, extended bolt releases, etc. are extremely frowned upon. Remember, once you start going down the path of building a "better" rifle rather than what was spec, you're quickly beyond clone territory and would have been better off building a custom 16" or 20" rifle. Cloning is generally viewed as all-in or not at all. * * * * * * * * * * Complete Mk12 Mod0 / Mod1 Uppers Bravo Company Manufacturing High Caliber Sales Precision Reflex Inc. Specific Mk12 Tech Augee's side-by-side comparison of the original ARMS SWAN Sleeve and PRI reproduction PEQ Sleeves: bottom of p136 KOBK's side-by-side comparison of PRI Gen I, II, and III handguards, and Gen I and Gen II FSBs, and SWANs: middle of p137 Augee's Mod1 gas block tech: top half of p357 Glass1's Early Mod0 photo breakdown: middle of p449 tamboi's Leupold Vari-X, TS30, and TS30A2 scope history/lineage, and part numbers, p.792 * * * * * * * * * * As of 16 May 2024, Ron Allen is still making custom parts for his suppressors: View Quote * * * * * * * * * * Attached File |
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Originally Posted By Mattyvac: If I already owned a 12th, I'd go with the Holland.Originally Posted By secretwheelman: Originally Posted By Mattyvac: Poll: Would you rather have a stainless 18" SPR WOA barrel or a 16" Douglas Chrome moly mod h Recce barrel. That was my point. Originally Posted By Mattyvac: How'd you know? Someone sell me a B5 sopmod for cheap.... Gen1 or enhanced? |
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Originally Posted By secretwheelman: If I already owned a 12th, I'd go with the Holland. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By secretwheelman: I do have a 12th... Originally Posted By Mattyvac: If I already owned a 12th, I'd go with the Holland.Originally Posted By secretwheelman: Originally Posted By Mattyvac: Poll: Would you rather have a stainless 18" SPR WOA barrel or a 16" Douglas Chrome moly mod h Recce barrel. That was my point. Originally Posted By Mattyvac: How'd you know? Someone sell me a B5 sopmod for cheap.... Gen1 or enhanced? |
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Originally Posted By Mattyvac: I do have a 12th... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Mattyvac: Originally Posted By secretwheelman: I do have a 12th... Originally Posted By Mattyvac: If I already owned a 12th, I'd go with the Holland.Originally Posted By secretwheelman: Originally Posted By Mattyvac: Poll: Would you rather have a stainless 18" SPR WOA barrel or a 16" Douglas Chrome moly mod h Recce barrel. That was my point. Originally Posted By Mattyvac: How'd you know? Someone sell me a B5 sopmod for cheap.... Gen1 or enhanced? I still have the gen2 that I took off of my mod0, if your interested. I'll shoot you an IM when I get off work. |
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Finally got stuff torqued down. Last is my brake. How are you guys wrenching them down? How is it timed right the thinner portion is at about the 10 o'clock right now. Don't want to mess this thing up.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v633/mrwhite182/IMG_20140321_164319_619_zpssgu1xgtp.jpg Haven't even finished my first and started scrounging parts for a second. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v633/mrwhite182/IMG_20140321_155928_406_zps3a07lfmc.jpg |
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Originally Posted By outlaw7:
Finally got stuff torqued down. Last is my brake. How are you guys wrenching them down? How is it timed right the thinner portion is at about the 10 o'clock right now. Don't want to mess this thing up. <a href="http://s.photobucket.com/user/mrwhite182/media/IMG_20140321_164319_619_zpssgu1xgtp.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v633/mrwhite182/IMG_20140321_164319_619_zpssgu1xgtp.jpg</a> Haven't even finished my first and started scrounging parts for a second. <a href="http://s.photobucket.com/user/mrwhite182/media/IMG_20140321_155928_406_zps3a07lfmc.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v633/mrwhite182/IMG_20140321_155928_406_zps3a07lfmc.jpg</a> View Quote I used an adjustable crescent wrench on the flats. I precrushed a washer until it was just under 11:00 when hand tight. If you do it that way, tape the flats. I didn't bother doing so and it shows. |
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Originally Posted By Hunterex:
I used an adjustable crescent wrench on the flats. I precrushed a washer until it was just under 11:00 when hand tight. If you do it that way, tape the flats. I didn't bother doing so and it shows. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Hunterex:
Originally Posted By outlaw7:
Finally got stuff torqued down. Last is my brake. How are you guys wrenching them down? How is it timed right the thinner portion is at about the 10 o'clock right now. Don't want to mess this thing up. <a href="http://s.photobucket.com/user/mrwhite182/media/IMG_20140321_164319_619_zpssgu1xgtp.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v633/mrwhite182/IMG_20140321_164319_619_zpssgu1xgtp.jpg</a> Haven't even finished my first and started scrounging parts for a second. <a href="http://s.photobucket.com/user/mrwhite182/media/IMG_20140321_155928_406_zps3a07lfmc.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v633/mrwhite182/IMG_20140321_155928_406_zps3a07lfmc.jpg</a> I used an adjustable crescent wrench on the flats. I precrushed a washer until it was just under 11:00 when hand tight. If you do it that way, tape the flats. I didn't bother doing so and it shows. Roger, so does the thinner flat go to the 12 or 6? |
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Originally Posted By outlaw7:
Roger, so does the thinner flat go to the 12 or 6? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By outlaw7:
Originally Posted By Hunterex:
Originally Posted By outlaw7:
Finally got stuff torqued down. Last is my brake. How are you guys wrenching them down? How is it timed right the thinner portion is at about the 10 o'clock right now. Don't want to mess this thing up. <a href="http://s.photobucket.com/user/mrwhite182/media/IMG_20140321_164319_619_zpssgu1xgtp.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v633/mrwhite182/IMG_20140321_164319_619_zpssgu1xgtp.jpg</a> Haven't even finished my first and started scrounging parts for a second. <a href="http://s.photobucket.com/user/mrwhite182/media/IMG_20140321_155928_406_zps3a07lfmc.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v633/mrwhite182/IMG_20140321_155928_406_zps3a07lfmc.jpg</a> I used an adjustable crescent wrench on the flats. I precrushed a washer until it was just under 11:00 when hand tight. If you do it that way, tape the flats. I didn't bother doing so and it shows. Roger, so does the thinner flat go to the 12 or 6? 12 |
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Originally Posted By Hunterex:
Originally Posted By outlaw7:
Originally Posted By Hunterex:
Originally Posted By outlaw7:
Finally got stuff torqued down. Last is my brake. How are you guys wrenching them down? How is it timed right the thinner portion is at about the 10 o'clock right now. Don't want to mess this thing up. <a href="http://s.photobucket.com/user/mrwhite182/media/IMG_20140321_164319_619_zpssgu1xgtp.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v633/mrwhite182/IMG_20140321_164319_619_zpssgu1xgtp.jpg</a> Haven't even finished my first and started scrounging parts for a second. <a href="http://s.photobucket.com/user/mrwhite182/media/IMG_20140321_155928_406_zps3a07lfmc.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v633/mrwhite182/IMG_20140321_155928_406_zps3a07lfmc.jpg</a> I used an adjustable crescent wrench on the flats. I precrushed a washer until it was just under 11:00 when hand tight. If you do it that way, tape the flats. I didn't bother doing so and it shows. Roger, so does the thinner flat go to the 12 or 6? 12 Appreciate your help and time sir. |
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who has the MK12 Mod 1 block as shown in previous pic ?
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Originally Posted By 24601:
Navy SEALs MK12 Mod 1. Took this picture at the Miramar Airshow several years back. http://www.dogfightink.com/NavyMK12.jpg View Quote That is sweet. I was a Miramar Navy brat |
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At first I thought the pic rail up front had been milled down and then I realized it was where the front sight was when they painted it
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Originally Posted By XMM:
The friggin' thing comes with a WIFE? I better rethink this purchase....sounds expensive in the long run. |
Originally Posted By 24601:
Navy SEALs MK12 Mod 1. Took this picture at the Miramar Airshow several years back. http://www.dogfightink.com/NavyMK12.jpg View Quote Anyone know what reflex sight mount that is that mounts to the top of the ARMS rings? Doesn't appear to be the TRR. |
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Originally Posted By TinyCrumb: Anyone know what reflex sight mount that is that mounts to the top of the ARMS rings? Doesn't appear to be the TRR. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By TinyCrumb: Originally Posted By 24601: Navy SEALs MK12 Mod 1. Took this picture at the Miramar Airshow several years back. http://www.dogfightink.com/NavyMK12.jpg Anyone know what reflex sight mount that is that mounts to the top of the ARMS rings? Doesn't appear to be the TRR. As a side note, it's another "legit" mk12 with a type-D stock. |
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Originally Posted By secretwheelman:
Those are NF rings with a wilcox mount that replaces the top half. As a side note, it's another "legit" mk12 with a type-D stock. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By secretwheelman:
Originally Posted By TinyCrumb:
Originally Posted By 24601:
Navy SEALs MK12 Mod 1. Took this picture at the Miramar Airshow several years back. http://www.dogfightink.com/NavyMK12.jpg Anyone know what reflex sight mount that is that mounts to the top of the ARMS rings? Doesn't appear to be the TRR. As a side note, it's another "legit" mk12 with a type-D stock. Good catch. And a mod 1 this time. |
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Originally Posted By 24601:
Navy SEALs MK12 Mod 1. Took this picture at the Miramar Airshow several years back. http://www.dogfightink.com/NavyMK12.jpg View Quote Those are some low rings! |
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Originally Posted By stagepaint: Those are some low rings! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By stagepaint: Originally Posted By 24601: Navy SEALs MK12 Mod 1. Took this picture at the Miramar Airshow several years back. http://www.dogfightink.com/NavyMK12.jpg Those are some low rings! Way too low for my liking. And is that an NSX 1-4x with a Doctor? I fk'n dig that setup. Would be boss on a Holland... |
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Originally Posted By RTUtah: Way too low for my liking. And is that an NSX 1-4x with a Doctor? I fk'n dig that setup. Would be boss on a Holland... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By RTUtah: Originally Posted By stagepaint: Originally Posted By 24601: Navy SEALs MK12 Mod 1. Took this picture at the Miramar Airshow several years back. http://www.dogfightink.com/NavyMK12.jpg Those are some low rings! Way too low for my liking. And is that an NSX 1-4x with a Doctor? I fk'n dig that setup. Would be boss on a Holland... I think somebody should build that Mk12K with that configuration in mind - would be sick.
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If anyone is looking (like I am) for the black KAC front sight and want to pay an arm and a leg for one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/knights-armament-sight-KAC-Sight-MK18-MK12-KAC-P-N-99051-/141229192481?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20e1ea7521
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where can you get one of those ?
Originally Posted By RTUtah:
Whatever do you mean, capt'n? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By RTUtah:
Originally Posted By BSOG1:
who has the MK12 Mod 1 block as shown in previous pic ? Whatever do you mean, capt'n? |
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Just snagged one (1 left) - http://tradingplacepawn.com/knights-armament-front-flip-sight.html
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Originally Posted By BSOG1: where can you get one of those ? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By BSOG1: where can you get one of those ? Originally Posted By RTUtah: Originally Posted By BSOG1: who has the MK12 Mod 1 block as shown in previous pic ? Whatever do you mean, capt'n? Badger Ordnance NAVSPEC Mk12 gas manifold? |
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Originally Posted By RTUtah:
Badger Ordnance NAVSPEC Mk12 gas manifold? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By RTUtah:
Originally Posted By BSOG1:
where can you get one of those ? Originally Posted By RTUtah:
Originally Posted By BSOG1:
who has the MK12 Mod 1 block as shown in previous pic ? Whatever do you mean, capt'n? Badger Ordnance NAVSPEC Mk12 gas manifold? Badger block @ Brownells This one? Maybe it takes ninjaing to get one with the NAVSPEC package? |
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Originally Posted By lancecriminal86:
Badger block @ Brownells This one? Maybe it takes ninjaing to get one with the NAVSPEC package? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By lancecriminal86:
Originally Posted By RTUtah:
Originally Posted By BSOG1:
where can you get one of those ? Originally Posted By RTUtah:
Originally Posted By BSOG1:
who has the MK12 Mod 1 block as shown in previous pic ? Whatever do you mean, capt'n? Badger Ordnance NAVSPEC Mk12 gas manifold? Badger block @ Brownells This one? Maybe it takes ninjaing to get one with the NAVSPEC package? It's the parkerized one. Midway has the as well. ETA- To be more specific, The parkerized one has the NAVSPEC on the box. |
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Picked it up off eBay, right around 40$ shipped.
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Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:
I think somebody should build that Mk12K with that configuration in mind - would be sick. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:
Originally Posted By RTUtah:
Originally Posted By stagepaint:
Originally Posted By 24601:
Navy SEALs MK12 Mod 1. Took this picture at the Miramar Airshow several years back. http://www.dogfightink.com/NavyMK12.jpg Those are some low rings! Way too low for my liking. And is that an NSX 1-4x with a Doctor? I fk'n dig that setup. Would be boss on a Holland... I think somebody should build that Mk12K with that configuration in mind - would be sick. I would do it, but I'd be shunned from this thread. |
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Originally Posted By NapeSticksToKids:
I would do it, but I'd be shunned from this thread. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By NapeSticksToKids:
Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:
Originally Posted By RTUtah:
Originally Posted By stagepaint:
Originally Posted By 24601:
Navy SEALs MK12 Mod 1. Took this picture at the Miramar Airshow several years back. http://www.dogfightink.com/NavyMK12.jpg Those are some low rings! Way too low for my liking. And is that an NSX 1-4x with a Doctor? I fk'n dig that setup. Would be boss on a Holland... I think somebody should build that Mk12K with that configuration in mind - would be sick. I would do it, but I'd be shunned from this thread. If you already have a Mk12 Clone of some pattern, posting a Mk12K type gun alongside it wouldn't be an issue, at least to me. Just make sure it's chaperoned properly by the Mk12 clone in any pics, as to show you aren't a random dude trying to pass off a non-clone rifle or an interpretation. |
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Originally Posted By lancecriminal86:
Tell ya what, I better get one of the PRI early tube runs. Already missed the Knight's rails on BCM, no money for ARMS non-leverstop #22's when they popped up, missed the original Geissele SMR's with the oval cuts, the cheap M16A1 parts kits, now it looks like Noveske is cutting the Crusader 12.5" barrels out of the lineup. Even if I start having more spending money here in a few months, the things I'd want to spend it on are unobtanium. Oh, and NDS is abysmally back-ordered on M16A1 pattern lowers as well. Lets just add the new restrictions coming on all Russian made ammo and guns coming in, so nevermind scoring one of the Arsenal AK-74s built off the Izmash receivers, or cheap steel 5.45 to go with it. WHEEEE Basically I've traded all the AR goodies I'd really wanted this last year for a baby. I'd never trade the baby, or re-do things differently, but damn this sucks. I guess I at least haven't had something come up that would make me sell my Mod0 project off. There are still good things at least. ON TOPIC now, I still can't get the LMT staking job on the carbine stock to let go. I really want to put the A1 stock on and an A2 grip to at least add some more spec points to offset my can. And just to double check, do we really only have like 3 Mod 0's with GEN III tubes in the wild pictured? 1) 2 Pics of an operator in Iraq, old style desert cammies on the first page. A1 fixed stock, A1 grip, looked like Leupy 3-9x36, PVS-22, Harris on Knight's adapter. 2) Pic of AF operator in helo, Type D A1 stock, 3-9x36, Harris bipod, A1 grip. 3) Pic of an Army? dude in back of truck with GenIII rifle, looks like Iraq. A1 Stock, A1 grip, 3-9 scope, Harris bipod. http://img305.imageshack.us/img305/6791/207140966cba9a5dfbo5hz.jpg There is one pic I labeled "unverified" on DemigodLLC's blog, but it looks like it would be a legit rifle. Again an A1 stock, A1 grip, 3-9, and Harris bipod. Seems like these pattern guns were fewer and all deployed in basically the same config. This probably lines up with the timeframe that the Mod 1 was fielded based of LtCol Lutz's input on it being due to PRI not being able to supply enough handguards and FSBs. Basically I think the Gen III equipped guns were the last batch that came out of the Mod 0 config, after the Mod 1's had been fielded but before Crane decided to only field the Mod 1. Makes sense, they probably found the Mod 1's much simpler to produce, probably lighter as well. No FSB or ARMS sleeve to deal with. If any of you guys know of other LEGIT Mod 0's with the Gen III tubes in pics, please post them? View Quote Get a Hammerhead stock wrench. There is no staking job they won't remove. Also, I ordered several NDS lowers on Tuesday, they emailed Wednesday and said they stock to fill the backorder, maybe they have some left? |
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While I completely missed the rails being in stock for 17 minutes I might have found a temporary solution.
Someone suggested a few pages back that armalite has a rail that could be passed off on a Mk12 mod 1 if you squint and look at it from 20 feet. Link I think I might do that for now until I find one of the KAC rails to replace it. Thoughts? the barrel nut (not sure what its called) looks fairly similar. And with some 11 rib KAC panels on it I think it'd be an OK temp solution. |
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Originally Posted By Flyit14:
While I completely missed the rails being in stock for 17 minutes I might have found a temporary solution. Someone suggested a few pages back that armalite has a rail that could be passed off on a Mk12 mod 1 if you squint and look at it from 20 feet. Link I think I might do that for now until I find one of the KAC rails to replace it. Thoughts? the barrel nut (not sure what its called) looks fairly similar. And with some 11 rib KAC panels on it I think it'd be an OK temp solution. View Quote Contact Wes Grant [email protected]. He has them in stock. |
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Originally Posted By Flyit14:
While I completely missed the rails being in stock for 17 minutes I might have found a temporary solution. Someone suggested a few pages back that armalite has a rail that could be passed off on a Mk12 mod 1 if you squint and look at it from 20 feet. Link I think I might do that for now until I find one of the KAC rails to replace it. Thoughts? the barrel nut (not sure what its called) looks fairly similar. And with some 11 rib KAC panels on it I think it'd be an OK temp solution. View Quote That is close. I've never seen that one before. |
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Originally Posted By Engineer5:
That is close. I've never seen that one before. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Engineer5:
Originally Posted By Flyit14:
While I completely missed the rails being in stock for 17 minutes I might have found a temporary solution. Someone suggested a few pages back that armalite has a rail that could be passed off on a Mk12 mod 1 if you squint and look at it from 20 feet. Link I think I might do that for now until I find one of the KAC rails to replace it. Thoughts? the barrel nut (not sure what its called) looks fairly similar. And with some 11 rib KAC panels on it I think it'd be an OK temp solution. That is close. I've never seen that one before. The parts between the rails are flat and not curved like the KAC but it could be an alternative. drkhrs2 - who is that email for? Do they have a website? |
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Originally Posted By Flyit14:
The parts between the rails are flat and not curved like the KAC but it could be an alternative. drkhrs2 - who is that email for? Do they have a website? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Flyit14:
Originally Posted By Engineer5:
Originally Posted By Flyit14:
While I completely missed the rails being in stock for 17 minutes I might have found a temporary solution. Someone suggested a few pages back that armalite has a rail that could be passed off on a Mk12 mod 1 if you squint and look at it from 20 feet. Link I think I might do that for now until I find one of the KAC rails to replace it. Thoughts? the barrel nut (not sure what its called) looks fairly similar. And with some 11 rib KAC panels on it I think it'd be an OK temp solution. That is close. I've never seen that one before. The parts between the rails are flat and not curved like the KAC but it could be an alternative. drkhrs2 - who is that email for? Do they have a website? MSTN in Mid Southern Tactical network. They've been around forever, but the website is down for construction. I know Wes sells a lot on Gunbroker. He has a rail on Gunbroker now. |
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Originally Posted By RTUtah: Way too low for my liking. And is that an NSX 1-4x with a Doctor? I fk'n dig that setup. Would be boss on a Holland... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By RTUtah: Originally Posted By stagepaint: Originally Posted By 24601: Navy SEALs MK12 Mod 1. Took this picture at the Miramar Airshow several years back. http://www.dogfightink.com/NavyMK12.jpg Those are some low rings! Way too low for my liking. And is that an NSX 1-4x with a Doctor? I fk'n dig that setup. Would be boss on a Holland... |
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Any issues with the Badger Ordnance MK12 gas blocks? Would it be spec for a MOD 1 build? It would be nice to pay $60 for the BO gas block vs KAC's $107.
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Originally Posted By RTUtah:
That's what I used for my build. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By RTUtah:
Originally Posted By HardballR:
Any issues with the Badger Ordnance MK12 gas blocks? Would it be spec for a MOD 1 build? It would be nice to pay $60 for the BO gas block vs KAC's $107. That's what I used for my build. I used one for mine, but the ID was very tight. Needed to be honed to size. |
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Originally Posted By drkhrs2:
I used one for mine, but the ID was very tight. Needed to be honed to size. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By drkhrs2:
Originally Posted By RTUtah:
Originally Posted By HardballR:
Any issues with the Badger Ordnance MK12 gas blocks? Would it be spec for a MOD 1 build? It would be nice to pay $60 for the BO gas block vs KAC's $107. That's what I used for my build. I used one for mine, but the ID was very tight. Needed to be honed to size. Yeah, I've heard some fitting might be required on BO gas blocks. Heck, I can only get my OPS Inc. collar halfway on my HCS barrel by hand. |
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Originally Posted By drkhrs2: I used one for mine, but the ID was very tight. Needed to be honed to size. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By drkhrs2: Originally Posted By RTUtah: Originally Posted By HardballR: Any issues with the Badger Ordnance MK12 gas blocks? Would it be spec for a MOD 1 build? It would be nice to pay $60 for the BO gas block vs KAC's $107. That's what I used for my build. I used one for mine, but the ID was very tight. Needed to be honed to size. Mine was WAY tight as well. |
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Originally Posted By drkhrs2:
MSTN in Mid Southern Tactical network. They've been around forever, but the website is down for construction. I know Wes sells a lot on Gunbroker. He has a rail on Gunbroker now. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By drkhrs2:
Originally Posted By Flyit14:
Originally Posted By Engineer5:
Originally Posted By Flyit14:
While I completely missed the rails being in stock for 17 minutes I might have found a temporary solution. Someone suggested a few pages back that armalite has a rail that could be passed off on a Mk12 mod 1 if you squint and look at it from 20 feet. Link I think I might do that for now until I find one of the KAC rails to replace it. Thoughts? the barrel nut (not sure what its called) looks fairly similar. And with some 11 rib KAC panels on it I think it'd be an OK temp solution. That is close. I've never seen that one before. The parts between the rails are flat and not curved like the KAC but it could be an alternative. drkhrs2 - who is that email for? Do they have a website? MSTN in Mid Southern Tactical network. They've been around forever, but the website is down for construction. I know Wes sells a lot on Gunbroker. He has a rail on Gunbroker now. Wes has three rails left if anybody needs one. |
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Originally Posted By Engineer5:
I spoke with him via email just a bit ago and told him I'd take one. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Engineer5:
Originally Posted By drkhrs2:
Wes has three two rails left if anybody needs one. I spoke with him via email just a bit ago and told him I'd take one. He said he sold a few in the past 1/2 hour, I think your was one before the three. Good score though! |
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Originally Posted By RTUtah:
Mine was WAY tight as well. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By RTUtah:
Originally Posted By drkhrs2:
Originally Posted By RTUtah:
Originally Posted By HardballR:
Any issues with the Badger Ordnance MK12 gas blocks? Would it be spec for a MOD 1 build? It would be nice to pay $60 for the BO gas block vs KAC's $107. That's what I used for my build. I used one for mine, but the ID was very tight. Needed to be honed to size. Mine was WAY tight as well. I have used 2 of them and they went on perfect. |
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Guys,
This thread moves quite fast so I'm not sure everybody caught it, but it seems Nodak has some A1 style lowers available. I ordered a couple on Tuesday, received an email on Wednesday, and they're in shipping now. |
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Originally Posted By drkhrs2:
Guys, This thread moves quite fast so I'm not sure everybody caught it, but it seems Nodak has some A1 style lowers available. I ordered a couple on Tuesday, received an email on Wednesday, and they're in shipping now. View Quote Their page says backorder only still. Where did you see this? |
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I just called them and ordered over the phone cause I couldn't figure out if the website would let you put them on backorder.
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