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Posted: 7/7/2011 12:07:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Lancelot]
So just an introduction to this thread - its purpose is to show off your Block II clone builds; here is a list of some of the common characteristics and equipment that the Block II M4A1s have:
THE Block II Chart (courtesy of Patriot_Man) Barrel: 14.5" M4 or SOCOM contour barrel Flash Hider: KAC NT4 Surefire 4P Suppressors: KAC NT4 Surefire SOCOM RC Rail System: Early Block II M4A1s still used the KAC M4 RIS/RAS DD RIS II in dark earth Vertical grips Tango down battle grip in tan KAC Grip-Pod Rail panels: Tango Down KAC Front sight: KAC flip up in tan standard front sight base (if early Block II with M4 RIS/RAS) Optics: Elcan Specter DR SU-230 EOTech SU-231-PEQ (EOTech 553) EOTech SU-231A-PEQ (EOTech EXPS03) ACOG SU-237 (TA01-ECOS) EOTech/Aimpoint 3x magnifiers IR Lasers: Insight AN/PEQ-15/LA-5 Flashlight: Insight M3 (SU-233/PVS) Insight WMX200 Rear sight: KAC 300m KAC 600m MaTech Buttstock: standard M4 (both older CAR style and newer "LE" style) LMT SOPMOD some reference pics Attached File Attached File early block II more early Block IIs Just to reiterate, you don't have to have an EXACT copy of a Block II M4A1 to post your rifle up here, but the purpose is to post pictures of our rifles that we've made specifically to emulate the issue Block II weapon system - if you've got a midlength carbine with an UBR stock that just happens to have a RIS II on it it is likely you did not intend the rifle be a "clone" of the newest generation M4A1, and probably doesn't belong in this picture thread. Rifles that have no Block II components ie standard M4geries with Block I Optics do not embody the purpose of this thread and though they are nice weapons in their own right, shouldn't be posted in this thread to avoid unnecessary clutter. Originally Posted By Augee: The easiest visual discriminator of whether you're looking at a SOPMOD equipped M4A1 or an MWS M4 is usually the identity of who is holding it. If it's a SOF troop, it's probably a SOPMOD M4[A1]. If it's a conventional troop, it's probably an M4 MWS. SOPMOD = SOF MWS = Conventional The SOPMOD program was initially fielded in 1996, and the two have not significantly converged or crossed over at all since then, and there is almost no commonality between systems used in the two. They are separate lines of development and evolution managed by two totally different components (Army and Navy). SOPMOD is run by NSWC-Crane to equip SOF M4A1 Carbines with accessories. There are two distinct "blocks" as identified by NSWC-Crane PowerPoints as the primary source of information, however, there was a "transitional period" of several years in which carbines with items from both blocks were used. Because of a PowerPoint slide that was published (IIRC?) 2006 showing a block labeled "phased replacement," it has become the colloquial term for "transitional" configurations. "Block x" does NOT refer, in an "official" sense to a specific configuration of rifle. It refers to specific modifications (read accessories) to the SOF M4A1 weapon system that are managed by Crane. Colloquially we refer to M4A1s with accessories from the first block of the SOPMOD program as "Block 1," while using "Block 2" to describe carbines with the RIS II, one of the last components of the second block of the SOPMOD program to be fielded. Carbines with the accessories/features of both blocks of the SOPMOD program, but without the RIS II, we refer to as "Phased Replacement." It is important to note, however, that this colloquial classification is generally limited to this thread, and others both here and on other sites that feed off of it. The important thing to understand is that the SOPMOD program is almost always limited to SOF only, and 99% of the time, the "actual" weapon in question will be an M4A1, not an M4. The M4 is a conventional forces weapon system, and is totally separate from the SOPMOD program and SOF modifications, though they were "inspired" by the SOPMOD program, almost every single actual item is different. The M4 is managed by the Army overall through TACOM, though the Marine Corps also manages their own programs through their own directorates for their specific incarnation of the M4. The M4 is a conventional forces platform, and is upgraded through modular weapon system (MWS) upgrades. There are no specific blocks, increments, or generations, and their specifics vary by time period, unit, and MTOE. ~Augee View Quote |
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So, if ya picked up a 80% in the white and wanted to make it look legit after getting it engraved who would you send it to for anodizing or maybe cerakote ?
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Originally Posted By StevieJ309:
For ano send it to U.S. Anodizing. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By StevieJ309:
Originally Posted By fastfoot:
So, if ya picked up a 80% in the white and wanted to make it look legit after getting it engraved who would you send it to for anodizing or maybe cerakote ? For ano send it to U.S. Anodizing. This. Or krylon |
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Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
This. Or krylon View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By StevieJ309:
Originally Posted By fastfoot:
So, if ya picked up a 80% in the white and wanted to make it look legit after getting it engraved who would you send it to for anodizing or maybe cerakote ? For ano send it to U.S. Anodizing. This. Or krylon Nah. Anodizing, then Krylon. |
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Originally Posted By JohnnySasaki20:
Nah. Anodizing, then Krylon. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By JohnnySasaki20:
Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By StevieJ309:
Originally Posted By fastfoot:
So, if ya picked up a 80% in the white and wanted to make it look legit after getting it engraved who would you send it to for anodizing or maybe cerakote ? For ano send it to U.S. Anodizing. This. Or krylon Nah. Anodizing, then Krylon. I know, just being a smartass |
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Originally Posted By StevieJ309:
For ano send it to U.S. Anodizing. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By StevieJ309:
Originally Posted By fastfoot:
So, if ya picked up a 80% in the white and wanted to make it look legit after getting it engraved who would you send it to for anodizing or maybe cerakote ? For ano send it to U.S. Anodizing. Or Synergy here in Titusville, $125 for 12 lowers. US anodizing is for specialty retro stuff, if you want current black type III, synergy. I found them by looking in the phone book, most anodize shops have an ffl anyway, do some leg work, you'll find that they're a few places in any sized town. William |
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Originally Posted By ankratz:
WALMART HAS TRASH CANS IN FDE GET THEM BEFORE SOCOM TIES UP CONTRACTS <a href="http://s6.photobucket.com/user/akratz/media/ARFCOM/20160207_135026_zpsfwhxzhfu.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y229/akratz/ARFCOM/20160207_135026_zpsfwhxzhfu.jpg</a> View Quote Looks more like taupe |
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Originally Posted By fastfoot:
Dammit! you guys are killin' me...no paint!.........well maybe on the stock........... http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc394/fastfoot62/Mobile%20Uploads/WP_20150904_002.jpg View Quote Paint comes off, dude. Spray your gun neon pink. I triple dog dare ya. |
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Originally Posted By JohnnySasaki20:
Paint comes off, dude. Spray your gun neon pink. I triple dog dare ya. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxjk9ooCmPI View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By JohnnySasaki20:
Originally Posted By fastfoot:
Dammit! you guys are killin' me...no paint!.........well maybe on the stock........... http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc394/fastfoot62/Mobile%20Uploads/WP_20150904_002.jpg Paint comes off, dude. Spray your gun neon pink. I triple dog dare ya. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxjk9ooCmPI I'll go one better.....I have 2 80%'s and one will be a just for fun zombie gun w/t lower in neon green. |
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Originally Posted By fastfoot:
I'll go one better.....I have 2 80%'s and one will be a just for fun zombie gun w/t lower in neon green. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By fastfoot:
Originally Posted By JohnnySasaki20:
Originally Posted By fastfoot:
Dammit! you guys are killin' me...no paint!.........well maybe on the stock........... http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc394/fastfoot62/Mobile%20Uploads/WP_20150904_002.jpg Paint comes off, dude. Spray your gun neon pink. I triple dog dare ya. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxjk9ooCmPI I'll go one better.....I have 2 80%'s and one will be a just for fun zombie gun w/t lower in neon green. Okay, pics when you get it done, or it never happened. |
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Anyone order KAC Taupe front sight from Exile Machine? They GTG?
Also, my gen 1 sopmod stock should be here soon. So Is should be mostly complete soon. Now I need some optics. I wanna be clone correct here. Slightly considering NF 1-4 scope.... but most likely leaning towards the EXPS3-0 in tan. Thoughts??? And where are the best prices on new tan/fde EXPS3-0 to be found? |
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Shot my 14.5 yesterday, SOOO NICCEEE
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If anyone is looking, someone is selling CQD mounts in the EE.
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[url=https://flic.kr/p/DuzsGY]IMG_1392[1][/url] by Micah Uchida, on Flickr
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Originally Posted By UsubM: https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1699/24608590840_fe78029a11_h.jpg[url=https://flic.kr/p/DuzsGY]IMG_1392[1][/url] by Micah Uchida, on Flickr These rifles are certified badases View Quote |
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I just got an FDE RIS II, so I'm back in the clone game, other than the Elcan what optics are the most popular now that EOTech's are questionable?
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I'm going assume that the Tango down BG17 isn't kosher?
I have big paws and can't stand slim grips on a rifle. I'm using it either way, I guess I'm just looking for validation. |
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Originally Posted By Sputnik556:
I'm going assume that the Tango down BG17 isn't kosher? I have big paws and can't stand slim grips on a rifle. I'm using it either way, I guess I'm just looking for validation. View Quote Pistol grips, stocks, and VFGs are pretty much anything goes, even in regular non-SOF infantry units. At least the one I was in didn't care. Magpul, Vltor, Tango Down, Ergo, Hogue, CAA, Tapco, etc. |
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Originally Posted By Sputnik556:
I'm going assume that the Tango down BG17 isn't kosher? I have big paws and can't stand slim grips on a rifle. I'm using it either way, I guess I'm just looking for validation. View Quote The graph on page 1 of this thread says the TangoDown is clone approved. |
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Anyone running a ta31 Ecos on their rifle? Pics if you can.
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Nice CD, I should have a ris ii FSP today. Just need a 14.5
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver:
Glitch bump DD RIS II M4A1 FSB w/ SOCOM bbl http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/IMG_0484_rz.jpg CD View Quote Those barrels are heavy mofos |
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What are you gonna do brother? When 72oz of Cola runs wild on you!
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Absence of proof is not proof of absence.
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Originally Posted By TurbineGuy:
The graph on page 1 of this thread says the TangoDown is clone approved. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By TurbineGuy:
Originally Posted By Sputnik556:
I'm going assume that the Tango down BG17 isn't kosher? I have big paws and can't stand slim grips on a rifle. I'm using it either way, I guess I'm just looking for validation. The graph on page 1 of this thread says the TangoDown is clone approved. I had assumed that was the BG16 only. This may end up being a far more accurate build than I was planning. |
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-your groups will be so small you won't even be sure if you hit the target. - Casval214 |
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Originally Posted By JohnnySasaki20:
http://<a href=https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1673/24925955205_b86c31cdff_b.jpg</a>" /> I know I'm gonna get shit for that UBR.... View Quote ETA to stay on topic: My old All black Block II, the new Block II will be moar correct this time. |
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Originally Posted By nate_the_great:
https://m.popkey.co/d7edf3/Xgka5.gif ETA to stay on topic: My old All black Block II, the new Block II will be moar correct this time. http://i1358.photobucket.com/albums/q780/natesarfcom/IMG_5667_zpsb2200ce1.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By nate_the_great:
Originally Posted By JohnnySasaki20:
http://<a href=https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1673/24925955205_b86c31cdff_b.jpg</a>" /> I know I'm gonna get shit for that UBR.... https://m.popkey.co/d7edf3/Xgka5.gif ETA to stay on topic: My old All black Block II, the new Block II will be moar correct this time. http://i1358.photobucket.com/albums/q780/natesarfcom/IMG_5667_zpsb2200ce1.jpg I CAN FIX IT!!! |
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Anything worth doing is worth overdoing. Moderation is for pussies.
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Anything worth doing is worth overdoing. Moderation is for pussies.
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Originally Posted By JohnnySasaki20:
I've got another CAR stock that can go in it. I really don't like the UBR as much as I thought I would, actually. http://<a href=https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1543/24925955285_e802ef1e87_b.jpg</a>" /> View Quote Do it, CAR stocks look great on Block IIs That's the feeling of conviction from the clone gods. |
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"Make something idiot proof and they invent a better idiot." - motown_steve
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I bought the FSP and regular RIS II in FDE in, I think 2013 or 2014 for my clones. I was looking to pick up a mk18 one are those unobtainable now, even in black from retailers?
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Thanks to SGL_Shooter, I'll be taking my box of Block II parts to a somewhat local ARFCOM member so they can get assembled and the barrel pinned this Saturday.
Pretty psyched. Been slowing accumulating parts for this. All I really need for the bare minimum is a rear iron sight. I'll probably switch my 553 onto the Block II and might buy a T-1 or MRO for my 6920 instead. |
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Originally Posted By DontBuryMe:
Originally Posted By GaTacoma:
Originally Posted By SilentMark:
Anyone running a ta31 Ecos on their rifle? Pics if you can. Here you go. http://s12.postimg.org/v4eag2vm5/IMG_1605.jpg Yup I suck, just caught it.Lol |
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Originally Posted By revottuneda4:
Thanks to SGL_Shooter, I'll be taking my box of Block II parts to a somewhat local ARFCOM member so they can get assembled and the barrel pinned this Saturday. Pretty psyched. Been slowing accumulating parts for this. All I really need for the bare minimum is a rear iron sight. I'll probably switch my 553 onto the Block II and might buy a T-1 or MRO for my 6920 instead. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By SGL_Shooter:
Originally Posted By revottuneda4:
Thanks to SGL_Shooter, I'll be taking my box of Block II parts to a somewhat local ARFCOM member so they can get assembled and the barrel pinned this Saturday. Pretty psyched. Been slowing accumulating parts for this. All I really need for the bare minimum is a rear iron sight. I'll probably switch my 553 onto the Block II and might buy a T-1 or MRO for my 6920 instead. Definitely owe you one! It's going to cost me half of what ADCO would have. |
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View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By GaTacoma:
Originally Posted By SilentMark:
Anyone running a ta31 Ecos on their rifle? Pics if you can. Here you go. http://s12.postimg.org/v4eag2vm5/IMG_1605.jpg Very nice....I'm debating getting one but all of the new ones are cerakoted now....gotta find an anodized one. |
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Originally Posted By nate_the_great:
Do it, CAR stocks look great on Block IIs That's the feeling of conviction from the clone gods. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By nate_the_great:
Originally Posted By JohnnySasaki20:
I've got another CAR stock that can go in it. I really don't like the UBR as much as I thought I would, actually. http://<a href=https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1543/24925955285_e802ef1e87_b.jpg</a>" /> Do it, CAR stocks look great on Block IIs That's the feeling of conviction from the clone gods. " /> " /> Are we happy yet? |
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Originally Posted By SilentMark:
Very nice....I'm debating getting one but all of the new ones are cerakoted now....gotta find an anodized one. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By SilentMark:
Originally Posted By GaTacoma:
Originally Posted By SilentMark:
Anyone running a ta31 Ecos on their rifle? Pics if you can. Here you go. http://s12.postimg.org/v4eag2vm5/IMG_1605.jpg Very nice....I'm debating getting one but all of the new ones are cerakoted now....gotta find an anodized one. Yeah I picked this up of the EE a few weeks ago. Got it for a decent price. Just keep your eyes out. Edit: Sent you a PM about one. |
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Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:I would wait. God hates 16" barrels. When God wrote the second commandment, it actually said "thou shalt make minimum legal clone barrel length 14.5"
The ATF didn't like this, so they crossed out his wording and wrote 16" signing their warrants to the fiery pit below. Sweet baby Jeebus got mad and told all his followers "fear not, for the Colt 14.5 is with you. Follow us not into temptation (16") and deliver us from evil (10.3) for the 14.5 is your path, and if you stray from this path, you're a fucking faggot" Love, -Sweet Baby Jeebus View Quote |
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