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I use my right hand to charge the rifle and have not experienced any knuckle banging. Just my experience; not trying to say others might not have a different experience. This BUIS is AWESOME. The more I use it, the less I like my LMT. Mine has the shorter (3 hole) throw lever. I love being able to adjust the tightness of the throw lever. Wish all my ARMS stuff allowed that kind of adjustment. |
Your BUIS has a hard-on!!!   
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Does Cavalry Arms still make the mount innocent_bystander shows on page 4 (5/24/2004) of this topic? Any dealers that sell it? Haven't read through this whole thread. LaRue should consider making their BUIS in both versions, with elevation wheel and without elevation wheel, regardless of what the military wants. I would get one if it had the elevation wheel. But, I'm just a civvie. Edited for topic clarity and Maverick656. |
1. If you are talking about the BUIS in the picture above, then that is NOT a Cavalry Arms product. It is a LaRue Tactical product which is what this whole thread is about. 2. Why is an elevation wheel so important? Will you actually use it? Not being critical or anything but if the elevation wheel is the only thing that is keeping you from buying one then I think that is kinda dumb. Unless you actually use your elevation wheel or even know how to use it properly for that matter then I could see why you would want one. I don't have any ties to LaRue but I would venture to guess he won't make this with an elevation wheel. That is one of the key design features of this sight and what makes it look like a work of art and a thing of beauty. But that's just my opinion. |
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From Grant. I was on the waiting list and checked with him a week later and he said he got some in so I called in payment immediately. That was on the 22nd of July. I email him a week later on August 1st after not receiving it and he said- "I think those all went to backorders (first in, first out) and that is why you didn't get one." although in the email on the 22nd he wrote- "I got some in today! I accept paypal ([email protected]) or you can call me with your CC info...." I was pretty miffed but got over it. Then on the 10th I emailed again and he said- "I talked to LaRue today and they should be in stock by the end of the week." That was last week. Grant's got a great reputation here on the board as well as others and that's why I ordered through him. But I am starting to wonder if I didn't cheese him off in some way and should just cancel and order direct. Sorry Grant but I'm losing faith. |
You know I tried that on my A4 the other week. Fully functional....just gets odd looks. Or maybe thats me
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I like it. I can dismount the scope and use the irons immediately or I can move the BUIS back to normal position if time permits. |
Man, your a freaking genius know-it-all. I'm in awe!Thanks for reminding me what this thread is about. In response to point #1: On page 4 of this topic, innocent_bystander has a reply dated 05/24/2004 clearly showing a pic of a Cavalry Arms BUIS. I'm not real familiar with the functions of ar15.com and didn't get the qoute right. I will edit my previous post for your benefit. About #2: Why is it important? Because it is. Would be nice to have some easy elevation. Yes, I would actually use it. I have used rear sight elevation functions with other type rifles. Maybe not for fast paced combat when SHTF that some like to fantasize about, but I would use it. If my optic of choice went TU and the rifle had to stay glassless for awhile, I would PREFER a rear sight with an expanded elevation feature. Does the LaRue sight aperatures sit farther forward when compared to a LMT or std. A2? Currently, looks like the LMT BUIS has the elevation feature I prefer, as does a chopped carry handle. The LaRue rear sight does look like a solid piece of equipment. From the pics, looks well made, user freindly, simple like an A1, and fool/dadman proof. |
If this BUIS is going onto a carbine then I really don't see a need for an elevation wheel as the 5.56 isn't worth much out past 300M's. I like my carbines bullet proof and nothing is more bullet proof then the LaRue BUIS. I have personally witnessed the elevation wheel on the LMT BUIS break. It is of course also lighter and cheaper than the LMT BUIS. Another problem I have with the LMT is the big knob sticking out the left side. If you have ever done a speed clear drill and met this knob at full speed with your palm, you won't forget it!  C4 |
Excellent comparision Greg |
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Thanks Lumpy! mcgrubbs: The LMT does look canted somehow, but the base is square... even though it did take a whack. Dropped the entire upper at the range.  img.photobucket.com/albums/v151/gregw45/lmt.jpg dadman: yep, same diameter - all A2 aperatures. I thought the extra distance would make a difference but I can't tell which one is which when looking down range. |
That's exactly how mine looks but I have to crank the windage all the way to the right and it's still 4-6 inches off center. That's why I have a LaRue now and will be buying another for my next build
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DadMan: I went through the same exercise and -- almost -- the same row with Grant. Anyway, what I came to is this...the LaRue BUIS is built like a tank so I don't have to worry about it failing. Also, the wider "wings" give you an excellent field of view that other BUIS devices don't seem to have. As to the elevation -- after thinking about it -- I tend to agree with Grant. I almost never adjust the elevation on any rifle. I guess that comes with growing up on a ranch without a lot of "real" weapon training. My Dad just handed me the .22 and a few boxes of shells, gave me some basics, and let me go. After about a gazillion rounds, I got quite good. Once I know where a rifle shoots, I've always used holdover. I just didn't think about elevation. Besides, every time I tried to screw with the elevation adjustment, I just messed it up. Unless I would be benchresting the weapon, I doubt that moving a couple of clicks up or down would make any significant difference. If I want that kind of precision, I'd be better off with a scope. In addition, since I am more of an "instinct" shooter, the additional mechanical variables tend to interrupt my natural flow (if that makes any sense). Like I say, I understand your issues but I think that you would be very happy with the LaRue for everyday use and get a scope for your "impress the girls" shooting. Just my thoughts.... 
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| It's been 7 weeks since I've been on the waiting list as they've apparently been on backorder with Grant. I'm waiting for him to charge my card as that would indicate that I should have one show up on my door step in the near future. I'm trying to be patient but it's been a long time. |
Myself, prefer the wheel but not a must have. My rifle, the only one that may be available at the moment, may have an optic. The optic may crap out. Then, I would like/prefer an adjustable rear elevation. One man, one gun. McBride in "A Rifleman Went To War" mentions a rifle equiped with a low power optic and a back-up iron. I don't think he specifically mentions fine/rear elevation adjustments, but I don't think he would refuse it. Looking at the pics on page 7 by gregw45 got me wondering: When looking/aiming through the rear sight, what's the side-to-side field of vision thats obstructed by wings and/or knobs amongst the three sights shown? Does one have a better view? Without actually looking at one, the LaRue appears it may have the cleanr view even though it has thicker wings. The LaRue seems like a beefed-up simple A1 sight for the flat tops. Sometimes simple is better. |
| I absolutely agree there is a purpose for an elevation wheel. I just think it's silly some people think they are a must have. As far as field of view..... The LaRue is KING in that area also. That is one of the key design features that make is superior to any other fixed BUIS. |
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0.3cm/click @25m or 1.25cm/click @ 100m WINDAGE. Foresight (A2) remains 0.9cm/click @ 25m or 3.5cm/click @ 100m. Fairly coarse compared to an FAL (1cm/click at 100m for E and W), although the L1A1 is 4"/half turn elevation! I've asked LaRue for clarification, but maybe hell post here. |
that's why there are blondes and readheads. Interesting thing: I have NO BUIS (yet). So I went a looking and did some T&E. As a former grunt (M), I wanted reliable, simple, and sturdy. The ARMS system is an excellent one, but has more moving parts. "Less" simple. The LMT is also an adjustable, and I wanted a BUIS for a carbine, not an adjustable knuckle on the rail. It's all about Mission. If you think you'll need the bells and whistles, you won't like the LaRue. If you prefer adjustability, you'll like the LMT. For fold-down, ARMS has it going on. I was into KISS, so my 'like' is different than yours. That's OK, we got plenty of room for options and Missions. VKR-   If you gotta have an Adjustable LaRue-  but rumor/Internet legend has .mil requesting removal of the thumbwheel.  KISS. Lots of options out here. Whatever you use, train your @$$ off with it. To do less makes a mockery of your choice. |
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Hey, that was a great last pic you posted. Oh wait, I took that photo! hinking.gif Tim |
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