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Posted: 5/24/2007 8:01:04 PM EDT
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Hi guys First time poster here from down in New Zealand. A local dealer down here is offering the following rifles - obviously from the same batch. He doesn't have them in country, but is acting as agent for any private collectors here who get their own permit to import. www.guncity.co.nz/import-your-own-first-model-m16-xidp153181.html I don't usually deal with this guy - his prices are pretty steep. For reference NZ$1=US$0.75 |
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Phil191, Thanks for that link---very nice to see that stuff saved for some collectors, even if we can't get them back here to America. I've always been envious of you NZ guys who still have the ability to import new MGs from aroung the globe. Like everywhere else, I hear things are still getting tighter for your collectors and you can no longer freely shoot your machine guns. But at least a collector can add a new item to the wall now and then. I think the real problem is the global UN restrictions and restraint of trade agreements between countries to keep guns from entering the world market. I know they won't allow any more exports out of Vietnam these days because of trade deals with the US. |
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You can own functional mgs down here, you just can't shoot them - and you have to be a bona-fide collector to have them. But you can still import them, so that is a bonus. Actually, getting permits to import are not that hard - I have just imported my first AR from the US. The hard part is getting US State department export permits out of the US. I had my first application denied because the State Dept has now decided that anything with a flash suppressor or a bayonet lug cannot be exported. Nor can magazines of more than 10 rounds. So I have a post ban rifle - and obviously the policy types at the State Dept are yearning for a global AWBhe But I guess we are lucky we can still own ARs and evil things like 30 round mags. Australia and the UK lost that freedom a while ago... |
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Don't be disgusted Blanco Diablo - at least you can shoot your mgs - and your semi-auto stuff is a little more reasonably priced than ours: www.guncity.co.nz/e-category-xidg9613.html The reason for these prices is the same as why your mgs have gone through the roof - govt has capped the number, and heavily restricted imports. To get an import permit for a registered rifle that takes hi-cap mags, you must hand in another registered rifle of similar calibre and capacity - a one for one swap. So people are handing in SKSs and AG42s, pushing up demand for stuff at the bottom end of the price scale, while the ARs already in country are fetching huge prices. Thought the Sudanese AR10 would interest some of you guys. It has been messed with pretty badly, but there are still plenty of original ones around. They have been converted to semi auto - you can do that here, as the police only consider a full auto weapon a mg if it is that configuration. Interestingly, M16s are much cheaper here than ARs. About $3500ish at Auction. But that is because you can't shoot them, and you can still import them without a hand-in. And to keep it somewhat on the retro topic, a lot of our M16A1s down here are Hydramatics, and all are US Property marked. They were donated to our armed forces during our time in Vietnam, but we only used them to replace smgs for officers, radiomen and scouts. Regular infantry stuck to our 7.62 L1A1. |
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You cant shoot MGs? Still, I would take a semi-only Model 601. But guess what? I'm not ALLOWED to have it unless I pay $20,000+ (if you're LUCKY). And they were made in OUR country. Shouldnt it be our RIGHT to be able to own them without having to sell a car and a kidney to get one? Wasnt that how our founding fathers intended? Or does "The Right to Keep and Bear Arms" only apply to the ones that go bang only once at a time? |
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Can only own mgs if you are a collector - and anything held on a collector's licence can't be fired (unless it is for theatrical/movie purposes). Technically, you could import one of these as a semi auto, provided they did the conversion off-shore. Then you could fire it. But I'm not about to spend $10,000 on a rifle I would feel guilty firing. I'll keep my new, common as muck, AR for that. I love the history of firearms - and AR/M16s are my current interest - but unfortunately the prices down here mean that is not a viable avenue for me to collect. |
Buy it and everytime you shoot it post it on YouTube.  Or, more realistically, just video it and release a DVD for sale on your new production company's website. |
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