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Posted: 1/17/2015 11:25:34 AM EDT
I have a Nightforce sniper scope and this does not match with it. Anyone know what reticle this is? I couldn't find it among the NF reticles.
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Posted: 1/17/2015 11:35:38 AM EDT
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Have not seen the movie, but remember it is a movie the likely hood of them getting this right is not likely.
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Posted: 1/17/2015 11:49:59 AM EDT
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the smart guy above me nailed it
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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:05:10 PM EDT
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I had a Tasco Scope mounted on a J.C. Higgins 30.06 with the same reticle 40 years ago.
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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:48:34 PM EDT
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The movies always fuck up reticles.
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Posted: 1/17/2015 1:40:27 PM EDT
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It is a reticle exclusive to Warner Brothers scopes, the WB SNAFU-1.
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Posted: 1/17/2015 1:42:00 PM EDT
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I saw the movie last night.
I was legit. |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 1:46:05 PM EDT
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I saw the movie last night. I was legit. Legit is an understatement. It was nice to see a wide array of weapons in the film. (SR25, M40A5?, and the MK12) |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 1:49:09 PM EDT
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It is a reticle exclusive to Warner Brothers scopes, the WB SNAFU-1. I do believe you are correct SIR |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 2:07:08 PM EDT
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Must get same reticle to be ultimate sniper!!!
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Posted: 1/17/2015 2:13:02 PM EDT
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I have a Nightforce sniper scope and this does not match with it. Anyone know what reticle this is? I couldn't find it among the NF reticles. http://<a href=http://i1340.photobucket.com/albums/o738/surefire44/AmericanSniperReticle_zpsdc0c1949.jpg</a>" /> You do realize that they don't film these scenes through a scope, right? |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 2:14:09 PM EDT
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Probably some BS made up in post production
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Posted: 1/17/2015 2:16:39 PM EDT
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You do realize that they don't film these scenes through a scope, right? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have a Nightforce sniper scope and this does not match with it. Anyone know what reticle this is? I couldn't find it among the NF reticles. http://<a href=http://i1340.photobucket.com/albums/o738/surefire44/AmericanSniperReticle_zpsdc0c1949.jpg</a>" /> You do realize that they don't film these scenes through a scope, right?  Came here to post this.
I need to drag momma to the movies, I want to see this flick |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 3:48:20 PM EDT
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i agree to all of the above, BUT...
this movie tried hard to remain authentic. (look at the duct tape and krylon paint on Kyles' rifle.) a local OKC Manufacturer (Two Rivers Arms) was contracted to build the AK's in the movie.(okay, probably not ALL, but probably the ones firing)
among TRA's claim to fame is faithful renditions of Iraqui Tabruks. (that's where the 2 in TRA's comes from, the Tigris and Euphrates) and the AK's built were NOT "movie" guns, they were fully functional select fire weapons, it was up the movie's armorer to "safe" them up. former Okla. State Senator, and newly elected U.S.Representative from Okla. Lt. Col. (ret.) Steve Russel is the owner of Two River Arms. |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 4:03:25 PM EDT
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At least they are USING a reticle. So many time in movies and TV, you see a guy looking though a scope without one.
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Posted: 1/17/2015 4:31:17 PM EDT
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I realize this idea might be far fetched and the above comments are probably correct, but if they actually did want to get the reticle correct and inquired about it is there a chance the military for some reason doesn't want it known what reticles they're using for these guys? Not sure what it would effect if anyone did know but you'd think with Clint Eastwood directing a movie and his sniping being a large component of it that this question would've been asked by the technical staff or producers. Just a thought...
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Posted: 1/17/2015 4:33:15 PM EDT
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I realize this idea might be far fetched and the above comments are probably correct, but if they actually did want to get the reticle correct and inquired about it is there a chance the military for some reason doesn't want it known what reticles they're using for these guys? Not sure what it would effect if anyone did know but you'd think with Clint Eastwood directing a movie and his sniping being a large component of it that this question would've been asked by the technical staff or producers. Just a thought... Pretty sure that we do know what reticles they use. |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 4:33:29 PM EDT
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I realize this idea might be far fetched and the above comments are probably correct, but if they actually did want to get the reticle correct and inquired about it is there a chance the military for some reason doesn't want it known what reticles they're using for these guys? Not sure what it would effect if anyone did know but you'd think with Clint Eastwood directing a movie and his sniping being a large component of it that this question would've been asked by the technical staff or producers. Just a thought... It's a good thought, but that info is already out. I think it's more likely they shot this with a camera and some sort of "scope" filter or effect was used |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 5:39:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Have not seen the movie, but remember it is a movie the likely hood of them getting this right is not likely. Yeah, my guess the real thing was mil dot or horus
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Posted: 1/17/2015 6:13:29 PM EDT
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I love Chris Kyle and his story. The movie missed a grand opportunity to tell his story and the story of the war correctly. The movie had a ton of problems with the scope reticles being a small part of that.
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Posted: 1/17/2015 6:45:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Legit is an understatement. It was nice to see a wide array of weapons in the film. (SR25, M40A5?, and the MK12) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I saw the movie last night. I was legit. Legit is an understatement. It was nice to see a wide array of weapons in the film. (SR25, M40A5?, and the MK12) Technically: MK13 mod 1, MK12 mod 1, McBros Tac-300 or Tac-338, Mk11, M24, and M40A3 The correct scope on the MK13 would be the Nightforce 5.5-22x56. It seems as they tried to mimic the MIL-R reticle. |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 6:47:53 PM EDT
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I love Chris Kyle and his story. The movie missed a grand opportunity to tell his story and the story of the war correctly. The movie had a ton of problems with the scope reticles being a small part of that. I think it did an incredible job of telling his story. Everything was done respectfully, and I've heard through some friends that Cooper nailed Kyle's personality (never met Kyle myself). |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 6:49:15 PM EDT
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I love Chris Kyle and his story. The movie missed a grand opportunity to tell his story and the story of the war correctly. The movie had a ton of problems with the scope reticles being a small part of that. I haven't seen from the movie yet but it looks to me (from the trailers) as though they condensed significant parts of the book into single scenes to keep the movie moving or indeed created new scenes to develop the story over what was say a chapter in the book. Hopefully they didn't do this too much. I've seen a lot of mixed things about it but i will still go and check it out for myself. |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 7:24:39 PM EDT
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The picture looks "like" my Nightforce NP-R2. Without a larger view it's hard to tell.
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Posted: 1/17/2015 7:29:38 PM EDT
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There is a review of the movie on SnipersHide. They say that it was very accurate....except for the reticles. They repeatedly mention that they were incorrect. Just FWIW.
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Posted: 1/18/2015 11:35:47 AM EDT
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Topic Moved
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Posted: 1/18/2015 12:37:04 PM EDT
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Yeah, my guess the real thing was mil dot or horus Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Have not seen the movie, but remember it is a movie the likely hood of them getting this right is not likely. Yeah, my guess the real thing was mil dot or horus And trying to film a scene through that reticle probably would not look as good as a less dynamic reticle. For a movie its the target that takes precedence in such scenes If truth is the first casualty of war then reality is the first casualty of Hollywood 
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Posted: 1/18/2015 5:10:00 PM EDT
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Get the book. Chris discusses weapon systems and scopes for various missions. I don't recall reticles, but you can narrow the field from the date and the magnification range he describes. I'm not certain, but I believe all long range scopes he mentions are NF, either topping out at 25x or 32x.
I have not seen what Hollywood has done to his book. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:44:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Get the book. Chris discusses weapon systems and scopes for various missions. I don't recall reticles, but you can narrow the field from the date and the magnification range he describes. I'm not certain, but I believe all long range scopes he mentions are NF, either topping out at 25x or 32x. I have not seen what Hollywood has done to his book. 22x
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Posted: 1/19/2015 12:21:27 AM EDT
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Not all military uses Nightforce some use US Optics.
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Posted: 1/19/2015 1:11:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not all military uses Nightforce some use US Optics. Okay
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Posted: 1/19/2015 1:33:02 AM EDT
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The movies always fuck up reticles. Yep. These were some of the better ones, IMHO. Even the Russian one wasn't too far off base. |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 8:50:11 AM EDT
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It is a reticle exclusive to Warner Brothers scopes, the WB SNAFU-1. haha! |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 10:17:37 AM EDT
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Not all military uses Nightforce some use US Optics. Haven't heard of any use of US Optics. I do know a former Marine scout sniper who used a S&B |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 10:34:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Haven't heard of any use of US Optics. I do know a former Marine scout sniper who used a S&B Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not all military uses Nightforce some use US Optics. Haven't heard of any use of US Optics. I do know a former Marine scout sniper who used a S&B The only US Optics that I know of, were the re-worked Unertl 10x scopes. There might have been a few USO MST-100 scopes issued, but the majority of them were Unertl that were re-worked by USO when Unertl went out of business. I think USO bought design for the USMC 10x or something like that. Shortly after Unertl left the business, the Marines switched to Schmidt and Bender (circa 2004-5ish?). The Marines also issued Premier Reticles on the Mk11 Mod 1 and M110, but Premier Reticles went under too kind of. It's now a Canadian company called Tangent Theta, and their scopes are very pricy. Marines were never issued a Nighforce Scope, Although a Nighforce scope came with the XM-3 rifles. However, the XM-3 was more experimental and was not built by Marine armorers. The Nighforce was more or less a "package" deal with the XM-3. The XM-3 with an S&B was the tits though. A Nightforce also game with the Mk13 package from Crane - also not built by Marines. More or less a SOCOM package for Army and the Navy (including Marines). As for the Navy, all I have seen were Leupold, Nighforce, and S&B |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 3:15:25 PM EDT
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In his book Chris Kyle states that he used 32X Night Force scopes on his rifles.
I can't believe it but Eastwood literally made up facts and scenes in the movie. One of the big stories in the movie concerns the Iraqi Olympic sniper. Chris makes that long shot and gets him. BS, never happened. Chris states in the book that he heard the rumor about that sniper but never saw him! Embellishing a little for the movie is understandable but making up a kill that never happened into a climax shot ruins it for me. Shame on you Clint. |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 3:19:52 PM EDT
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In his book Chris Kyle states that he used 32X Night Force scopes on his rifles. I can't believe it but Eastwood literally made up facts and scenes in the movie. One of the big stories in the movie concerns the Iraqi Olympic sniper. Chris makes that long shot and gets him. BS, never happened. Chris states in the book that he heard the rumor about that sniper but never saw him! Embellishing a little for the movie is understandable but making up a kill that never happened into a climax shot ruins it for me. Shame on you Clint. You're surprised by Hollywood doing this? |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 3:59:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In his book Chris Kyle states that he used 32X Night Force scopes on his rifles. Also in the book, the Mk12 has a 16" barrel...
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Posted: 1/19/2015 10:18:41 PM EDT
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You're surprised by Hollywood doing this? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In his book Chris Kyle states that he used 32X Night Force scopes on his rifles. I can't believe it but Eastwood literally made up facts and scenes in the movie. One of the big stories in the movie concerns the Iraqi Olympic sniper. Chris makes that long shot and gets him. BS, never happened. Chris states in the book that he heard the rumor about that sniper but never saw him! Embellishing a little for the movie is understandable but making up a kill that never happened into a climax shot ruins it for me. Shame on you Clint. You're surprised by Hollywood doing this? No. I'm surprised Eastwood did it. This movie was not a fantasy and was supposed to be taken from Chris's book. |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 10:29:41 PM EDT
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Also in the book, the Mk12 has a 16" barrel... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In his book Chris Kyle states that he used 32X Night Force scopes on his rifles. Also in the book, the Mk12 has a 16" barrel... Maybe his MK12 was actually a RECCE/ SEAL Recon Rifle which does have a 16" barrel. |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 10:42:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe his MK12 was actually a RECCE/ SEAL Recon Rifle which does have a 16" barrel. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: In his book Chris Kyle states that he used 32X Night Force scopes on his rifles. Also in the book, the Mk12 has a 16" barrel... Maybe his MK12 was actually a RECCE/ SEAL Recon Rifle which does have a 16" barrel. |
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Posted: 1/20/2015 12:36:56 AM EDT
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In his book Chris Kyle states that he used 32X Night Force scopes on his rifles. Also in the book, the Mk12 has a 16" barrel... Maybe his MK12 was actually a RECCE/ SEAL Recon Rifle which does have a 16" barrel. I'm confused on what you are getting at. Are you questioning his truthfulness? |
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Posted: 1/20/2015 12:49:54 AM EDT
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The book has inaccuracies
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Posted: 1/20/2015 1:05:01 AM EDT
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I love Chris Kyle and his story. The movie missed a grand opportunity to tell his story and the story of the war correctly. The movie had a ton of problems with the scope reticles being a small part of that. If you love the man and his story then you obviously dont know anything about the man and his story (or stories) |
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Posted: 1/20/2015 1:08:40 AM EDT
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In his book Chris Kyle states that he used 32X Night Force scopes on his rifles. I can't believe it but Eastwood literally made up facts and scenes in the movie. One of the big stories in the movie concerns the Iraqi Olympic sniper. Chris makes that long shot and gets him. BS, never happened. Chris states in the book that he heard the rumor about that sniper but never saw him! Embellishing a little for the movie is understandable but making up a kill that never happened into a climax shot ruins it for me. Shame on you Clint. Making up kills that never happened? Say it aint so. |
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Posted: 1/20/2015 1:45:37 AM EDT
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The correct reticle for the Nightforce on the Mk13 is their standard Mildot with the circle dots. At least that's what reticle was in the scope that was attached to the Mk13 I got to try out in Afghanistan.
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Posted: 1/20/2015 8:50:32 AM EDT
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Never mind. It's not worth arguing with people that aren't properly educated on the story.
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Posted: 1/20/2015 2:28:58 PM EDT
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No. I'm surprised Eastwood did it. This movie was not a fantasy and was supposed to be taken from Chris's book. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In his book Chris Kyle states that he used 32X Night Force scopes on his rifles. I can't believe it but Eastwood literally made up facts and scenes in the movie. One of the big stories in the movie concerns the Iraqi Olympic sniper. Chris makes that long shot and gets him. BS, never happened. Chris states in the book that he heard the rumor about that sniper but never saw him! Embellishing a little for the movie is understandable but making up a kill that never happened into a climax shot ruins it for me. Shame on you Clint. You're surprised by Hollywood doing this? No. I'm surprised Eastwood did it. This movie was not a fantasy and was supposed to be taken from Chris's book. I'm guessing you thought Lone Survivor was accurate too? |
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Posted: 1/20/2015 3:52:18 PM EDT
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I was impressed by how accurate the movie was with respect to the weapons being used. I really liked Kyle's MK18 M0 with KAC suppressor.
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Posted: 1/20/2015 8:36:18 PM EDT
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In his book Chris Kyle states that he used 32X Night Force scopes on his rifles. I can't believe it but Eastwood literally made up facts and scenes in the movie. One of the big stories in the movie concerns the Iraqi Olympic sniper. Chris makes that long shot and gets him. BS, never happened. Chris states in the book that he heard the rumor about that sniper but never saw him! Embellishing a little for the movie is understandable but making up a kill that never happened into a climax shot ruins it for me. Shame on you Clint. You're surprised by Hollywood doing this? No. I'm surprised Eastwood did it. This movie was not a fantasy and was supposed to be taken from Chris's book. I'm guessing you thought Lone Survivor was accurate too? I don't know. I'll be starting the Lone Survivor book in a couple days so I will see. One thing I doubt is the ability to tumble down a cliff with jagged rocks, twice, get up and go with a scoped rifle that is still accurate and no broken bones or crushed skulls. The falls depicted in the movie would maim or kill 50% of them. They wouldn't even be able to walk. I will say the movie made me sick. If it was accurate I would posthumously court marshal the team leader who made the decision to let the 3 towel heads go. In the end that PC gesture killed about 25 Seals and air crew members. They worried that they would be prosecuted when they got back, great decision. Now they are dead. I think some people don't understand the difference between fiction and an autobiography. Making this movie as Chris Kyle told it would honor him even more. IMO blatantly inventing major points in the movie do not. |
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Posted: 1/20/2015 9:08:02 PM EDT
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I'm guessing NeverMiss556 has never served.
Honestly, I'd rather be carried by 6, than tried by 12. Not only I, but every ground pounder I've been around has the same thought. You just don't understand combat and the fog of war. |
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