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Posted: 11/26/2012 2:54:02 PM EDT
| Will the 264 lbc shoot all the 6.5 Grendel ammo and shoot it well? I seen a post that the 264 was really made with the 123 amax in mind. |
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Les Baer made that chamber with the 123gr SMK in mind, which is why Black Hills made that special run of 123gr SMK Match loads for it. Everyone I know with Les Baer barrels reports amazing accuracy with them. Les Baer had Black Hills load the 123 Amax and 123 SMK. I've never heard anyone complain about the accuracy of LBs 264 rifles. http://www.lesbaer.com/264LBCAR.html |
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Les Baer made that chamber with the 123gr SMK in mind, which is why Black Hills made that special run of 123gr SMK Match loads for it. Everyone I know with Les Baer barrels reports amazing accuracy with them. For the last 6 months you have been saying LB designed it for the 123 Amax. Now you are saying the SMK. Do you just change it to suit your argument? Les Baer had Black Hills load the 123 Amax and 123 SMK. I've never heard anyone complain about the accuracy of LBs 264 rifles. http://www.lesbaer.com/264LBCAR.html To be fair, the 123gr. SMK was first on the block, while the Hornady 123gr. A-Max is a newer more "modern" design...and has some advantages over the SMK like: It is designed to be used in a hunting senerio, has similar B/C to the SMK, Identical weight, and the Hornady is shorter in length, so it does have a advantage in velocity (albeit a small one). I my case, the 264 LBC has the exact case neck diameter as the 6.5mm PCC at .295" which does aide in accuracy...The differences between the .264 LBC and the 6.5mm Grendel round are very minor, but LBC did "tighten" things up with his design changes to be sure. One thing is for sure though, and we can all agree to this: the .264/6.5mm caliber is a wonderfully accurate and pleasant round to shoot even in a magnum class cartridge case like the .264 Win. Mag. |
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Les Baer made that chamber with the 123gr SMK in mind, which is why Black Hills made that special run of 123gr SMK Match loads for it. Everyone I know with Les Baer barrels reports amazing accuracy with them. For the last 6 months you have been saying LB designed it for the 123 Amax. Now you are saying the SMK. Do you just change it to suit your argument? Les Baer had Black Hills load the 123 Amax and 123 SMK. I've never heard anyone complain about the accuracy of LBs 264 rifles. http://www.lesbaer.com/264LBCAR.html To be fair, the 123gr. SMK was first on the block, while the Hornady 123gr. A-Max is a newer more "modern" design...and has some advantages over the SMK like: It is designed to be used in a hunting senerio, has similar B/C to the SMK, Identical weight, and the Hornady is shorter in length, so it does have a advantage in velocity (albeit a small one). I my case, the 264 LBC has the exact case neck diameter as the 6.5mm PCC at .295" which does aide in accuracy...The differences between the .264 LBC and the 6.5mm Grendel round are very minor, but LBC did "tighten" things up with his design changes to be sure. One thing is for sure though, and we can all agree to this: the .264/6.5mm caliber is a wonderfully accurate and pleasant round to shoot even in a magnum class cartridge case like the .264 Win. Mag. Well sure, I've been shooting the smk and Lapua 123 for years, longer than the LBC chamber has been around and the 120Amax doesn't shoot well. The point is if the Amax can be loaded to full length and not touch the lands then the LBC chamber was not designed to shoot only the SMK. The SMK has a longer ogive by .09. If the LBC chamber was designed to shoot the SMK then the 123 Amax would need to be loaded .09 shorter to stay off the lands. I've seen the LBC chamber shoot both the SMK and AMax under 1/2" at 100 yds. ETA- The LBC has a .120 freebore. That is way too long for the 123 Lapua or SMK to be loaded to .010 off the lands, it wasn't designed specifically for the smk or Lapua. With a freebore that long it should shoot most hunting bullets and the AMax/SST well. Ac hamber that was designed to shoot the Lapua and SMK at .010 off the lands would need a freebore apx .030 long. |
I have a 24" .264 LBC-chambered tube from Les Baer that I mated to a Mega upper. I haven't shot the barrel extensively with the 123 Amax load from Hornady, but from what I've seen it looks like that load does about 1 MOA in the gun. Other factory loads seem to produce similar results. However, with my handloads (107 grn Sierra HPBTs over BLC2) I turned in this 5-shot group at 100 (indoor range):
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