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6/21/2009 1:31:23 PM EDT
I need to get a new scope for my Stag model 1 and decided I like the 2-7 solution. I want to keep the cost below $200 and a 1" tube, as I already have a 1" Burris PEPR. I've been strongly considering the Vortex Diamondback, mainly due to their CS, but I haven't found any reviews on them. Others I'm considering are the Burris Fullfield II and the Nikon Prostaff. The scope is going to be used for casual range use from 25-200 yds. I appreciate any objective info you can provide.
6/21/2009 2:16:02 PM EDT
[#1]
I am very satisfied with my 2X7 Leupold Rifleman

Look at SWFA I believe it is around $200


http://swfa.com/Leupold-Rifleman-Riflescopes-C112.aspx
6/21/2009 2:52:23 PM EDT
[#2]
The Burris fullfiend 2 is a good scope and a nice compact size for an AR.  One thing to note is that the eye relief is 3.0-3.7 inches whiich is smaller than most scopes.Usually about 175 from SWFA
6/21/2009 3:57:07 PM EDT
[#3]
The 2-7x Diamondback is a very good quality scope.

The following is a review by Ron Spomer in American Hunter on the 4-12x40 Diamondback. Although it's not a review of the 2-7, it should give you a good idea of the quality of this series of scopes.

I would put it up against any scope on the market in the same price range.

Let me know if you have any questions or I can do anything to help you with your decision. Thanks!

Diamondback Review in American Hunter

Vortex Diamondback 4x-12x-40mm

This is no dime store gimmick, but a high-quality, solid performer that looks and feels as solid as it works.

The Vortex Diamondback is surprising because it's surprisingly good, surprisingly priced and most of us have never heard of it. Vortex? This Madison, Wisc., company began selling binoculars to birders in the mid 1980s, then expanded to a catalog retailer and wholesaler as Eagle Optics. After listening to customers, it designed its own value-priced binoculars and had them assembled overseas. The units were such a hit that in 2000 the firm decided to put the Vortex spin on a full line of sophisticated optics designed here and built to specification in the Pacific Rim.


This isn't the first "newcomer" to the optics field. Over the years many new companies have introduced a variety of bargain-basement riflescopes, most of which should never have left the basement. Not this time. If the 4X-12X-40mm Diamondback I tested represents Vortex quality, performance and price-to-value ratio, it's the poster child for reasonably priced hunting scopes.

The Diamondback line features:

Fully multi-coated optics- All air-to-glass surfaces have multiple anti-reflection coatings, which in turn means minimum reflection loss, minimum flare, maximum brightness and maximum contrast. Give it an "A." The only reason I don't award "A+" is because I don't know how many layers have been applied and which wavelengths of the visible spectrum they most enhance. Two independent observers and I noted that the Diamondback transmitted a slightly brighter and higher resolution image than a famous-name scope costing twice as much. These were subjective tests, but unanimous. The Vortex gave the better overall image.

One-Piece main tube- The 1-inch tube is carved from a one-piece tube of 6061 T6 aircraft-grade aluminum. This means there are no joints at the turrets, so there is no chance of leakage and less chance of bending. I didn't pound tent stakes or subject the scope to any other torture tests, figuring an arbitrary beating without standards proves little. If a scope will handle repeated recoil from high-energy centerfire rifles, the knocks it takes from general field use shouldn't pose a problem.

Argon-purged, waterproof and fogproof-  Like every scope I've ever tested, this one fogged on an internal ocular lens (appeared to be the second eyepiece lens in) after being taken from the freezer into a 75-degree room.

The fogging covered about 50 percent of the center of the lens and cleared completely four minutes after exiting the freezer. No internal moisture or spotting was subsequently noted.
 After complete submersion for 15 minutes, the Vortex emerged refreshed and internally dry. No bubble streams rose from the instrument, not even while the power ring and eyepiece focus ring were turned. The lens caps were not removed during submersion.
 What wasn't evident but may prove significant over the long haul was the internal argon gas. Most scopes are moisture-purged with nitrogen gas. Argon gas molecules are significantly larger than nitrogen, thus less likely to leak from tiny cracks in the seals as the scope ages. In addition, argon gas reportedly maintains its protective properties over a wider range of temperatures than does nitrogen gas. Only time will tell, but this sounds good to me.

Zero-reset dials- For most of us, the ability to reset windage and elevation dials to zero after sighting in is no big whoopee, but some shooters like to crank in adjustments to match specific loads or even to aim dead-on at extended ranges. Thus, if a your rifle/load is sighted to point of aim at 200 yards, turn the slotted center screw to loosen the dial, reset it to zero, tighten the screw, then turn the dial to whatever number matches bullet impact at your next chosen distance. 
 The adjustments were smooth, precise and repeatable as proven when I "shot the square." I mounted the Vortex to a Jarrett Beanfield rifle in 7mm-08 Rem., which consistently shoots handloads .5 MOA. After the initial three-shot group I adjusted the crosshairs 16 clicks down, right, up and left in sequence, firing three-shot groups at each new setting. Those groups centered within a quarter inch of where they were supposed to and the final shot landed smack in the middle of the first group fired. Another "A" grade.


VIP warranty- Vortex pledges to repair or replace defective scopes at no charge, no matter the cause of the problem. And they do it in Wisconsin with a seven-day average turn around. Whoa. That's a pretty generous guarantee, suggesting they have considerable faith in both their product and their customers.


I'll confess a bias against "no-name" optics companies, but my review of this Diamondback kicked that bias. This is no dime store gimmick, but a high-quality, solid performer that looks and feels as solid as it works. I detected no parallax at 100 yards, observed no distracting optical aberrations, discovered no mechanical hitches. In short, I'd take this scope hunting anywhere, anytime, no reservations.
7/5/2009 10:43:10 AM EDT
[#4]
Quoted:
The Burris fullfiend 2 is a good scope and a nice compact size for an AR.  One thing to note is that the eye relief is 3.0-3.7 inches whiich is smaller than most scopes.Usually about 175 from SWFA


Where is the Burris Fullfield II made? I know the Vortex is Chinese made and I think the Nikon is made in the PI. Leupold used to make the VX-I in the US, but I'm not sure if they still do.
7/5/2009 10:50:56 AM EDT
[#5]
My 2x7x35 FFII tactical had a sticker that said "Made in Philippines", but it came off quite easy.

7/5/2009 11:08:59 AM EDT
[#6]
Quoted:
Quoted:
The Burris fullfiend 2 is a good scope and a nice compact size for an AR.  One thing to note is that the eye relief is 3.0-3.7 inches whiich is smaller than most scopes.Usually about 175 from SWFA


Where is the Burris Fullfield II made? I know the Vortex is Chinese made and I think the Nikon is made in the PI. Leupold used to make the VX-I in the US, but I'm not sure if they still do.


The Diamondback is not made in China. It is made in the Philippines.

-Sam
7/5/2009 12:08:31 PM EDT
[#7]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
The Burris fullfiend 2 is a good scope and a nice compact size for an AR.  One thing to note is that the eye relief is 3.0-3.7 inches whiich is smaller than most scopes.Usually about 175 from SWFA


Where is the Burris Fullfield II made? I know the Vortex is Chinese made and I think the Nikon is made in the PI. Leupold used to make the VX-I in the US, but I'm not sure if they still do.


The Diamondback is not made in China. It is made in the Philippines.

-Sam


Sorry, Sam. I confused the Strikefire with the Diamondback. Thanks for the info.
7/5/2009 1:46:57 PM EDT
[#8]
Quoted:
Leupold used to make the VX-I in the US, but I'm not sure if they still do.


I'm almost 100% sure all Leupold rifle scopes are American made.
7/5/2009 3:39:25 PM EDT
[#9]
You don't like the Bushnell Elite series 2-7?
7/5/2009 5:46:59 PM EDT
[#10]
Quoted:
You don't like the Bushnell Elite series 2-7?


I do, but I'm having to keep it under $200. Thanks for the reminder on a nice scope though.
I've narrowed it down to the Burris Fullfield II, Leupold Rifleman, Nikon ProStaff and the Vortex Diamondback.
So far, my least favorite is the Nikon.
7/5/2009 5:56:23 PM EDT
[#11]
I'll +1 Vortex
7/5/2009 6:00:55 PM EDT
[#12]
Quoted:
I'll +1 Vortex


Why do you like it? Clarity, features, etc? Have you used one of the 2-7x?
I haven't been able to see one yet, as there are no dealers anywhere near me.
7/5/2009 6:10:11 PM EDT
[#13]
Quoted:
Quoted:
I'll +1 Vortex


Why do you like it? Clarity, features, etc? Have you used one of the 2-7x?
I haven't been able to see one yet, as there are no dealers anywhere near me.


Granted I have one of the Vipers which is a little more expensive. Glass is very clear, and I LOVE the Zero Reset lift feature they have, having click wheels to adjust windage/elevation vs having to use a screwdriver to make adjustments.
7/5/2009 6:40:17 PM EDT
[#14]
Quoted:
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You don't like the Bushnell Elite series 2-7?


I do, but I'm having to keep it under $200. Thanks for the reminder on a nice scope though.
I've narrowed it down to the Burris Fullfield II, Leupold Rifleman, Nikon ProStaff and the Vortex Diamondback.
So far, my least favorite is the Nikon.


The 3200 series is less than 200 I think. I know I paid ~130 for mine. Those other scopes are also excellent though.
7/5/2009 8:00:27 PM EDT
[#15]
How do you like your 3200?
7/5/2009 8:52:52 PM EDT
[#16]
I like it very much.  I have it on a 44 mag lever gun though. On a  Stag model 1 you might want to check the eye relief differences and actually look through as many as possible.  

With the models you listed it will be about personal preference rather than quality or optics.
7/8/2009 10:26:03 PM EDT
[#17]
did you ever end up getting your scope? which one did you go with?
7/9/2009 5:32:21 PM EDT
[#18]
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did you ever end up getting your scope? which one did you go with?


Not yet. I would still like to look through the Vortex. I'm afraid I would have to drive 2 hours to see one, though. One thing I'm most concerned with all the scopes is eye relief.
While I don't shoot NTCH, I hold the weapon in pretty tight. I did get to look at the Nikon & Burris at the local Dick's Sporting Goods. I've also found the Bushnell 3200 at Amazon for under $120 new. Not sure about that - sounds too good to be true. I'll definitely let you know when I decide, but I get to have surgery on my knee tomorrow, so I'm not traveling anywhere this weekend. Doctor's bill is why I'm having to keep it under $200.  
7/9/2009 7:24:49 PM EDT
[#19]
Quoted:
Quoted:
did you ever end up getting your scope? which one did you go with?


Not yet. I would still like to look through the Vortex. I'm afraid I would have to drive 2 hours to see one, though. One thing I'm most concerned with all the scopes is eye relief.
While I don't shoot NTCH, I hold the weapon in pretty tight. I did get to look at the Nikon & Burris at the local Dick's Sporting Goods. I've also found the Bushnell 3200 at Amazon for under $120 new. Not sure about that - sounds too good to be true. I'll definitely let you know when I decide, but I get to have surgery on my knee tomorrow, so I'm not traveling anywhere this weekend. Doctor's bill is why I'm having to keep it under $200.  


Ragnar,

Send me an IM with your address and I'll see if I can find a dealer closer to you. It doesn't matter if it's a dealer that doesn't normally carry it in stock. We can send one down just for you to look at, no obligation to you or the dealer.

Good luck with your knee surgery!

-Sam
7/9/2009 8:23:24 PM EDT
[#20]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
I'll +1 Vortex


Why do you like it? Clarity, features, etc? Have you used one of the 2-7x?
I haven't been able to see one yet, as there are no dealers anywhere near me.


Granted I have one of the Vipers which is a little more expensive. Glass is very clear, and I LOVE the Zero Reset lift feature they have, having click wheels to adjust windage/elevation vs having to use a screwdriver to make adjustments.


+2 on the Viper 2-7
7/10/2009 6:01:39 AM EDT
[#21]
Believe it or not, I've had very good luck with the Bushnell 2-6x32 pistol scope.  You can mount the thing waaay out on the forearm and still have room for your BUIS' and whatnot.  SWFA's selling them for about $170.  I've put them on a couple of different pistols and tried them on a couple of AR's and they seem pretty intent on lasting forever.
7/10/2009 5:18:42 PM EDT
[#22]
Pentax is worth considering. Love mine. The best values IMHO are scopes from the good camera makers. Reasonably priced and excellent quality.
7/10/2009 8:08:01 PM EDT
[#23]
i've got a fulfield II 2-7 with tac2 turrets. it's a great scope. i've got it mounted on my rock river midlength 16" ss with a rra 1" mount. very accurate gun and the scope makes it better. it has the ballistic plex for quick shots at 100m integrals.













7/10/2009 9:42:26 PM EDT
[#24]
Pentax is worth considering. Love mine. The best values IMHO are scopes from the good camera makers. Reasonably priced and excellent quality


I'm not sure exactly how, but Pentax and Burris are aligned in some fashion.  I know I am really impressed with my FII Tac 2-7, and I think it is one of the best optics going for a mid length upper.  I have one on a 20" SPRish clone, and its a great scope.  

7/11/2009 5:50:52 PM EDT
[#25]
I have the Diamondback 2-7 on my stag ar and it works great i also have a red dot mounted on it for close up, the vortex scope has very clear glass for the price
I got a great deal from ( scott at liberty optics ) i got a calguns discount but i think you can get one if you mention your a ar15 member.
I would highly recommend vortex optics i am going to be purchasing a few more scopes in the near future.

                                                                                    James
7/11/2009 8:42:22 PM EDT
[#26]
Quoted:
I have the Diamondback 2-7 on my stag ar and it works great i also have a red dot mounted on it for close up, the vortex scope has very clear glass for the price
I got a great deal from ( scott at liberty optics ) i got a calguns discount but i think you can get one if you mention your a ar15 member.
I would highly recommend vortex optics i am going to be purchasing a few more scopes in the near future.

                                                                                    James


James, thanks for the info.
How do you have it mounted and how is the eye relief? Do you have any pics you could post of your setup?
7/27/2009 4:09:37 PM EDT
[#27]
I made my decision and bought the Vortex Diamondback 2-7x35 BDC. I must say I am very impressed with the clarity and build quality of the scope. Hopefully I'll be able to get it sighted in this weekend.







7/27/2009 6:20:16 PM EDT
[#28]
Very nice!

Looking forward to a range report!

-Sam
7/29/2009 9:12:22 PM EDT
[#29]
I picked up an older Leupold 2-7x28 VARI-X II for $120 for my new LRB Tanker.  What can I say it's a Leupold, clarity is amazing!  And with a 28mm objective, it is very compact!






Works great...3 rounds at 100 yards!





7/30/2009 3:38:55 PM EDT
[#30]
I've posted it about everywhere here and it hasn't had much interest, but Burris has a compact 2-7x26mm with a ballistic reticle that is a very good scope at a very reasonable price.


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