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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - 2nd Gen XM8 (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 6/15/2004 3:39:03 AM EDT
Don't know if this has been posted:  
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For anyone that's seen this thing disassembled, what's the feasibility of a third party handguard assembly that runs a picatinny rail along where that handguard is? ARMS or someone ought to be able to get one developed for it. I also wonder what H&K marketing fuck thinks it's a good idea to screw us out of our Aimpoints, EOTechs, and ACOGs. 
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400 hours run time isn't going to replace an ACOG even with the integrated IR capabilities (more like especially with the integrated IR capabilities since that drops the run time to six hours). Wonder if the XM8 is going to have some place to store a dozen DL123 batteries on it so you can keep the optics running? No VLTOR stock, TD grip or TD vert grip for it I guess... |
There is a company that is working with H&K on parts and pieces right now. I think we will see the ARMY adopt this POS so you better get used to it my friends!  C4 |
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markm, By 'us', I mean everyone--our military that has invested our tax money (or their own hard-earned cash) in good optical & night vision hardware, the private security contractors that might have access to the weapon, LEO units... and ultimately, if H&K decides to sell a semi-auto version, then us gun-loving civies as well. I think the lack of a picatinny rail is a plain bad idea.... |
| Chill out guys, This thing hasn't even been issued yet. You can expect anything to perfect first time out. It took how many years for all our ar goodies to become available? I'm an old fart and I remember all the coments about the AR when it first became available to us civies. Actually everybody thought that the Mini-14 was a much better weapon. I bought a MINI-14 a year or so before I got a Colt AR. Everybody thought it was a plastic piece of crap. It was years before any good accessories came out for it. And lets face it, we're probably never going to see a civy model anyway. |
The AR-15 was available for civilian purchase long before the military adopted it. First units in Vietnam were commercial purchase - it was partly from these glowing reports that the 'whiz kids' decided to push it as the new service rifle. |
Exactly, HK has never cared one bit about the civilian market. It makes me sick when I look at the prices Hk charges civilians for just parts. The $900 PSG-1 plastic buttstock and $479 MP5 collapsing stocks quickly come to mind. No way do I want HK to have any larger share of the U.S. market, military or civilian. |
i wonder if key less entry and remote start are options? the XM-8 sucks monkey balls. the dildo grip feels horrible and the overall balance of the gun sucks. i let my wife hold one and the first thing she said is "This Sucks"...with the HK rep standing next to me. this gun is only being ramrodded down our throats because a few people stand to gain a lot by the US adopting it. it is not worth what it will ultimately cost us, it is not so outstandingly great that we need it. this will not benefit the US military. the M16 was made in such a way that it could be readily adapted to many situations as evident by the many different configurations produced by many different companies, but when you look at the XM8 it is obvious that H&K plans to place themselves in such a position to be able to hold leverage over the US military. there is nothing on that gun that is not proprietary in nature and making existing PROVEN parts(sights) work in conjunction is difficult if not impossible. My vote? HELL NO! |
No, actually I just find the threads odd. If guys are so interested in Hk, why aren't they posting this crap on Hk Pro? Why would you come to AR15.com to ask questions and post info on the SL8, G36, and XM8? |
You dont like HK's "Two Sticks For a Stock?"  You can always add the cheek piece that keeps it from closing.... |
Perhaps the XM320 won't attach to the M16/M4 family, but its siblings the AG-C and AG-NL most certainly will. For instance, the AG-C can mount straight to a MIL-STD-1913 rail. The AG-NL is used on the Diemaco C7 by the Dutch. |
Actually, the thread is AR-15 related in many ways: 1)the XM8 may replace the M16/M4.AR15 series of weapon 2)The HKM4 uses the same gas system as the XM8, and the M4 is similar to the HKM4. i.e. the M4 is similar to the XM8 3)I find the XM8 as sexually arousing as an M4A1 4)Koch and S. Colt were born on the same day exactly 43 years apart. M16+AR15+M4+M8=43 |
I glad that you love the xm8. Now go register at HKPro and talk about it all you wish. 
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That's not really fair, HK *at one time* did care about he civilian market, but got so fed up with modifying little things here and there to make the ATF happy that they finally just gave up. |
It's because the XM8 is what may be replacing the M16 for the Army. They have just moved it to milestone C. The next milestone is production. If that's not relevent to a board concerning the M16/AR15. I don't know what is. |
Legally, they could. HK is going to build the XM8 in the US near Ft. Benning (so '90 ban doesn't apply). If they made it semiauto and got rid of the flash suppressor & adjustable stock, it would be legal under the current ban. If the ban sunsets, the rifle would just need to be semiauto. However, I doubt that it will be for sale. |
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Personally, I have never seen anything from HK that I thought was worth buying. I certainly don't see anything about this one that makes me feel any different. Just a way for our gov't to spend too much money on overpriced crap from the Fatherland. The politicos will make millions, and the troops will get junk, and the taxpayer will pay dearly for it. |
Actually, I believe I read somewhere that H&K is or has built a manufacturing facility in Georgia to build these here in the States.... |
Here's the newsletter: HK's Announcement |
Zero. The handguard is part of the upper reciever (from Free's thread), IIRC... Anyway, if it WERE to go for civillian sale, it would probably be priced at $2500-3500, minimum post-ban. Sorry, I'd rather have a FA M-11 at that price... As for the Army, I'd rather see them adopt the M16A4 with ACOG like the USMC is doing... Oh, and I wonder if the M-8 (with it's total lack of adjustible iron sights) will ever make it to 'service rifle' competition if released for civvie sale... Would be a bit of an unfair advantage (the optic), or a supreme disadvantage (take that optic off, use the crude 'backup' sights), assuming it's any more accurate than an AK (broad. side. barn?)... |
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Same here. Lose the (apparently) POS optic and dainty "carry handle." Then, give it a full-length rail up-top (rear sight to front sight) and some shorter rails up front, then adapt it to take current USGI mags. Then, perhaps we can talk. Now I'm going to go sit in the corner and hold my breath. 
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The improved collapsable stock is for the short version, which is for special applications, like truck drivers, some MP applications, some CQB; etc. Remember, this rifle will have multiple barrel lengths readily swapable. I think that this rifle may very well work out to be a good tool. The only thing I seriously don't like is the decision to go with a 'Euro' toggle in/out mag release system. The US M-16 straight in/out system is far better. The real problem with fielding this weapon is the notion of using a long barreled, bipod mounted, mag fed version as SAW. Now that seems problematic. |
Thats probably about right on what HK will ask for them and thats IF they ever decide to sell them to civilians at all. Remember this is the company that charges $900 for a PSG1 plastic buttstock. |
| I actually like the way the XM8 looks. It looks a lot like a futuristic energy weapon. Except it's not. It's just a rifle in a slick new package that doesn't actually bring anything new or too innovative to the table. It doesn't justify a changeover or the cost of one. That's the problem I have with it. The money would have been beter spent going into new weapons technology. However, the money has already been spent and more will be wasted for the switch, I'm afraid. AS far as cosmetics, it's neat looking. Other than that, I'm not too excited over it. |
I wish HK would revive the caseless cartridge technology they had in the G11, and incorporate it into the XM8 - now that would be something. The basic combat load would more than double, all that brass is heavy. The reason given for not developing the G11 further, was that " it was expensive, and the German Army did not see the need for caseless ammunition". It was very accurate with an obscenely flat trajectory. |
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