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Posted: 7/2/2007 4:45:55 PM EDT
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I shot my first real 3-Gun match this past weekend and I was in awe of the way most of the competitors shot their AR-15's. These guys were doing lightening fast double-taps on partially covered targets 40 yds away. I purchased a Bushmaster 14.5" carbine to compete but after watching these guys blaze through the courses of fire I feel very under-gunned! Many of the guys had comps and as I watched them shoot, I realized that their muzzles barely moved as they fired. My question is: which comp do I buy? JP's or Miculec's? What else do I have to do to turn my Bushmaster into a double-tapping 40 yd BEAST? |
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Well being on a budget and doing my own research this is what I came up with. Since I already had this neutered rifle in the safe I decided that it would be the one to sacrifie to the three gun gods. The rifle is still pretty much all factory except for the comp and trigger. After the mods were done I went and shot it and I tell you what, I couldn't believe it was the same rifle as before. For the money I spent I'm very happy. Colt Sporter Target 20" govt profile barrel JP Bennie Cooley Tact Comp RRA NM Trigger The sky is the limit but this is how fast I can afford to go. You will always be out gunned by someone else but practice makes perfect. I think that with a comp and trigger it will bring your rig to a more competative level without breaking the bank. |
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Thanks so much for the advice. I was thinking along those lines as well. I stopped by my local "AR Expert" shop today and they told me to weight the gun down as much as I can stand. They said to weight it in the buttstock and with alum foreend. The theory being that the heavier the gun the less the recoil. Any thoughts? |
| You want heavy but not too heavy. I think that weight is a personal preference and don't forget about the balance of the rifle. But a heavier rifle would eat up more recoil. Then again so would a longer barrel. That's why I went with my particular rifle. I would do the comp and trigger before spending the money on weights. See how much difference the comp makes on the recoil and how much easier it is to double tap with the trigger. |
Attend Training and practice alot. Good skill, honed by proffestional instruction will do FAR FAR more for you scores than any gadget. Once you get the skills, then get the gadgets for the last 10% improvement. |
That sounds like good advise for a High Power (a la camp Perry) match rifle, not sure if it’s best for 3-gun. |
Fine for CMP type shooting. For 3 gun. All you need to do to your rifle is add the JP BC comp and a JP trigger. Current trend in 3-gun is 18" midlength gas, light barrel. you have carry run and swing on targets to havey of a rifle and your will have a bitch of a time stopping the rifle. Add a brake, better trigger and fave fun. |
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Look at the kit that is winning ! Assuming you are shooting Limited or Tactical divisions (as opposed to Open), the size of the muzzle brake will be restricted to 1" x 3". I would prioritize rifle mods as follows: 1) A good single-stage match trigger. IMHO, none is better than the JP. 2) A good muzzle brake. I use the JP Cooley and the DPMS Miculek, and both work well. Avoid gimmicky designs or flash-hider lookalikes. 3) A free float handguard. A plain vanilla aluminum tube will work well - the tacticool rail handguards are non-optimal IMHO, unless you are really into vertical foregrips (most 3 gunners don't use them). 4) Fast, robust sights. For iron sights, the A2 rear is fine (use the big aperture for inside 100yds) but you will want to thin down the A2 front sight post. For optics, be sure the magnification does not impede close-range shooting; the trend is towards a 1-3x or 1-4x low power variable. As for weight, this is mostly personal preference. I happen to like a heavier rifle, and so I have a 20" heavy barrel. I would certainly not add more weight (like lead in the stock) as this is really excessive. If anything, the trend is towards lighter and lighter rifles for faster handling, instead controlling recoil with a muzzle brake and light weight reciprocating parts. However NONE of the above will compensate for an unreliable or inaccurate rifle. If your rifle keeps barfing, or you cannot consistently hit what you are aiming at, then fix these issues first (e.g. better mags, better ammo, properly zero'd sights, more practice - whatever it takes). |
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Here you go... http://www.clarkcustomguns.com/gatorar.htm Switch out that Bushnell for an Elcan Spectre DR....ooooo yeah. If you've never seen "The Snake" run through a 3 gunner I highly recommend it. He's pretty damn good...its freaky. I've separarted a few discs trying some of his positions. |
I guess there are a lot of folks here that dont shoot much 3 Gun...thats OK its a small sport. You want as light a rifle as you can get, NOT heavy. Think about the Inertia thing...heavy is hard to get moving, and then hard to stop on the next target (that called Indexing, and you want to index FAST). The gold standard for 3 Gun weight is 7 pounds. Its tough to do, but you can get there if you try. A lot of the big names are going to 16" mid-length barrels (from 17-18" rifle length) to cut weight and length. The comp is what removes the need for excess weight to dampen recoil. Its not a gadget; it's required along with a very good trigger. As mentioned above...reliability is MOST important! If your gun pukes on you it doesnt matter how good you are or what parts you have on the rifle, the clocks running and you are toast. Good running rifle, mags that run ALL THE TIME (have dedicated mags that you use for nothing else once you are sure of them), and you are 90% home. Get a JP Cooley, DPMS Miculek, Benny Hill Rolling Thunder, or a Flatland Forge F2. I've got them all and run the F2. YMMV Make sure you check out the 3 Gun forum here and at brianenos.com B |
Well if money is no object then get one of these CTR-02. Then all you need to do is spend another $1-1.5k in optics/sights.
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+1 the best comp (leagal) is the Ben Cooley, hands down the MSTN QC i would say would come in next; the Mikulek is another great one, esp for the price |
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