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Posted: 3/20/2009 6:53:42 AM EDT
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Did a 3 month search on this and came up with nothing.
For 20+ yrs I've messed with ARs. During that time I don't really remember manufacturers marketing the grade of aluminum used in their uppers and lowers. Lately I've been in the market for some stripped lowers and I'm reading about the grade of aluminum used and companies touting the 7075. "7075 not 6061 used in our receivers". Has 6061 ever been used to make lower receivers? If it has why would I really care? If I shouldn't really care about 4140 vs 4150 barrel steel why would I be concerned about the aluminum used in my receivers? I don't see a lot of threads on cracked receivers. Metal guys - what's the difference and why do we seem to be hearing about it now? marketing ploy? |
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so why is 7075 better? I don't know, but i found this: ALUMINUM Alloy Tensile Proof Elongation
Designation Strength (psi) Strength (psi) (%) 6061-0 18000 8000 25 6061-T6 45000 40000 12 7005-T6 51000 42000 13 7050-T6 83000 73000 11 7075-T6 83000 73000 11 STEEL Alloy Tensile Yield Elongation Designation Strength (psi) Strength (psi) (%) 4130 annealed 81250 52250 28 normalized 97000 63250 25 high T temper 118000 102000 22 low T temper 236000 212000 10 Next to the alloy designation you'll see something called tensile strength. Tension is when you pull on both ends of something. It is the opposite of compression, where you push the ends of something together. Tensile strength is how much force per unit area you can hang on the metal. In this case, I'm telling it to you in psi, or pounds per square inch. There are some other units people use: a ksi is 1000 psi (k means a thousand); a ksi is also 6.89 MPa. MPa stands for Megapascal and is in the metric system, so it's the one scientists usually use. Take a look at Figure 1. It's a graph of a hunk of aluminum (6061-T6) and a hunk of steel (normalized 4130) that I keep hanging weight from. They're not to scale, but they give you a good idea what's going on. The y-axis (up and down) is stress, the Figure 1 This is what happens when you start bending metal. To the left is aluminum. To the right is steel. Stress is given in psi, so it's really not just a weight, it's weight divided by area - per square inch, get it? The x-axis (side to side) is strain, how much longer the metal gets. It's given as a percent. There are two things that happen to a metal when you bend them. They start off elastic. That's the first part of the graph. You bend something a little and let go and it returns to it's old shape. Steels are a lot better at this. The yield strength represents the transition from elastic to plastic behavior. Pull harder then the yield strength and you start to permanently bend (deform) the metal. See the kink in the steel? That's the yield strength - where the steel starts to bend permanently. If you haven't already guessed, that's bad. Aluminum doesn't break the same way. It doesn't take nearly as much to bend aluminum permanently as it does steel. So scientists invented something called proof strength. This is an important number, so pay attention. It is the strength at 0.2% strain, and you use it to tell which aluminum alloy is stronger. The proof strength is how much force per unit area you can load the metal with and have it stay 0.2% longer when you take the weight away. For 6061-T6, you can hang 40000 pounds from a one inch square rod and it would permanently stay 0.2% longer than it was when you started. See the difference in tensile strength and proof strength for 6061 alloy that hasn't been heat treated (0) as opposed to the peak aged (T6) alloy? The heat treated aluminum is a lot stronger, for reasons we talked about last time. You can hang 45000 pounds from a one inch square rod of 6061-T6 before it will break in two. Elongation is the science word that tells you how much the metal stretches before it breaks. It looks like our 6061-T6 gets 12% longer before it comes apart. It's important to remember that the table gives actual strength values. To compare these values with a different material, let's say steel, would be like comparing apples and oranges. You need to take a look at the specific strength. That's the ratio between tensile strength and density. This accounts for the fact that although steel is a lot stronger than aluminum, it also weighs a lot more - 2.9 times more. This will give you a number that can be used to give you a rough comparison between vastly different metals. For 6061-T6, do the math and you get a score of 420600. Do it for a 100 ksi steel, and you get 363600. |
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..". Has 6061 ever been used to make lower receivers?.. Original Colts were (way back in the early 60s) IIRC they would corrode easier than the 7075 so production was switched to 7075. NDS has run several batches of their 'Retro' lowers in 6061, I have one. It's a great lower, and as I don't do assaults over surf I'm not worried about it's corrosion properties compared to my 7075 lowers.. |
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..". Has 6061 ever been used to make lower receivers?.. Original Colts were (way back in the early 60s) IIRC they would corrode easier than the 7075 so production was switched to 7075. NDS has run several batches of their 'Retro' lowers in 6061, I have one. It's a great lower, and as I don't do assaults over surf I'm not worried about it's corrosion properties compared to my 7075 lowers.. AR-15 specs originally called for 7075, then very early Colt changed to 6061 trying to save a few pennies. After the corrosion issues, they went back to 7075. |
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good stuff
wow - looking at this it appears there is a significant difference. 6061-0 18000 8000 25 6061-T6 45000 40000 12 7005-T6 51000 42000 13 7050-T6 83000 73000 11 7075-T6 83000 73000 11 Regardless though 6061-T6 from a strength standpoint should be able to handle the stresses that the AR might hand out. |
| I read in another thread that only Colt and FN use 7075 T6 and most others use 7075 which is not as strong as 6061 T651 which would make Sun Devil lowers stronger than non Colt and non FN forged lowers. Take it for what its worth because I know nothing on this subject. |
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