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Posted: 3/28/2005 11:17:23 AM EDT
| I'm purchasing a Tacpoint for my A2 and plan to mount it so I can co-wittness with the standard sights. Ideally I'd like the red dot to be centered above the front site post and am considering using an Eotech 9-BC-CAM. Has anyone used these before and is there any benefit to this vs. other cantilevered rails on an A2? The way I understand it, you either use an adjustable mount or play with ring heights. |
The mount you are looking at is for an EOTech. I am also not sure why you would co-witness a Tacpoint as it is just for "plinking." Aimpoint makes a cantilever mount for the Aimpoint that is pretty cheap (or you might find a knockoff version to go with your Aimpoint knockoff for even cheaper). C4 |
| I ordered the BC mount and tried it but did not like it. It is a quality mount but too much distraction for my eyes (rear sights). I sold it at a gun show. I traded my A2 bushy for a RR m4. I like the flat top much better. I know you don't want to here this because I did not. The flat top with flip up rear sights is the way to go. Also you will not regret breaking down and getting an EOTECH, there is lots of glass and the front sight is not so intrusive. |
The reason I didn't address the BC mount (which is sold by Bushmaster) is "it's for the EOTech" which requires adjustment in order to get the EO to co-witness properly and you stated you had the "faux" Aimpoint red dot called a Tacpoint. Adjustment with a properly mounted Tacpoint is NOT required with what I showed because IT'S at the right height as sold. I used to own this set-up when I had A2 AR15s, it worked quite well. Definately superior to what you were asking about..... Mike ps - your comments here:
Are NOT correct, hence I showed you the best set-up which requires no guess-work. |
| Do I detect some Aimpoint snobbery/Tacpoint resistance here? hinking.gif What's wrong with wanting to co witness with a Tacpoint on an A2 upper? There are plenty of people here who are purchasing Tacpoints and probably want to do the same thing. Some are probably afraid to ask these Tacpoint questions because of the verbal jousting that goes on between these two groups. Amipoints are a higher quality scope. So? I'll bet some of you Aimpoint owners drive Yugos and VW's. |
The Turdpoint is often bought (according to many on this board) as a "plinking" optic. To co-witness a optic would mean that someone was going to be using it for Duty, Combat, Home/Personal Defense. C4 |
I have an off brand cowitnessed. I am just a range guy. I guess by your post I am more than that, or wanting to be more, maybe? What a silly comment.  |
I have many rifles that I know I will never use for any type of combat or self defense, but I still have cowitnessed BUIS. Why? Two reasons: So I can shoot with both the optic and irons without hassle and just because I can. |
You are going against what your other turdpoint lovers have said all along (its just for plinking) so there is no need for BUIS. Nothing wrong with co-witnessing an optic.... C4 |
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Grant, I have held my tongue but you just drive me nuts with things like the "turdpoint" comment. Why do it? Its just insulting, and serves no purpose. Go ahead and point out that a Tacpoint is probably not as sturdy as an Aimpoint, and that they are made in China, but please keep the name calling to yourself. Do you enjoy alienating people? Do you want to aggravate your potential customers? (I imagine you'll say that Tacpoint customers are not your customers, and maybe you are right, especially after you insult them, but maybe they would have bought something else from you otherwise. ) Here's an analogy. Do you drive a Chevy, a Ford, or a Honda? Maybe you are wealthy enough to drive a Porsche, Ferrari or a Rolls Royce, but most folks don't. Just because a car like a Ferrari exists doesn't make a Chevy a bad car. Some people can only afford a car like a Chevy, and some people who could afford a Ferrari may not need one for their purposes. We don't all need to drive 150 miles an hour. Same with the Tacpoint. I think you will (grudgingly) admit that a Tacpoint is all some people need, so what is that compels you to say more? Give it a rest. |
Well, I know how he treats his customers if thats how he treats and talks down potential customers. I know what site I wont be going to when I need some more goodies. |
First off the turdpoint is a copy of the Aimpoint. They are riding on the fruits of Aimpoint's labor (this is sad). Next, the people that buy the Aimpoint only buy it because it looks like the Aimpoint and there is a chance that their range/airsoft buds will think they got a REAL Aimpoint. Hakko makes a lot of other optics for less money (that are just as good as the turdpoint), but no one buys those. Ever wonder why?? Its because they don't look the Mil-Spec Aimpoint and no one will be impressed. The next thing that pisses me off is Americans that KNOWINGLY buy a Chinese made optic. Incase some of you didn't know, China is stealing American jobs right and left and oh by the way they have 5,000 nukes pointed at us with their finger on the trigger. As the saying goes, "If your not MAD your NOT paying ATTENTION!!!" I am also sick of "I don't have any money so I have to buy a turdpoint." I was an E-4 in the USN and ran a Comp M. I sure as HELL didn't have any money and afforded it. How did I do it? I saved my money and bought a USED one (oh the horror).  So if you don't like my opinion of a Communist made optic that rides on Aimpoint's hard work, DON'T READ IT! C4 |
Treat my customers very well (just ask lt557). He was/is a PITA, but when he wanted an Aimpoint he got good and fast service. I am not the kind of dealer that hides his personal opinion because he MIGHT lose a sale. Money doesn't matter much to me and would rather have a clear conscience and express my opinion. Can't handle the truth or straight forward, no BS statements? Don't read my posts!  C4 |
Even when plinking I enjoy switching on the fly from optic to iron sights. And yes, I do this with firearms that I have absolutely no intentions of ever using to protect myself. |
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That is 100% your right. My point was just that you are not the norm (from what I am told). C4 |
Some you may remember that lt557 and I don't get along (at all), but when I found out that he had a turdpoint on his duty weapon I flipped. So I offered him a ML2 at a good price so he could switch them out. I hate to see a LEO defend their life and the life of the others with a knockoff.... C4 |
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Grant, you missed my point. You are free to have your opinion, and I couldn't avoid your posts if I tried. My beef is that there is no reason to accompany your opinion with insults and the disdain you show for people who do not share it. I am happy to hear your opinions (and there is nothing I like better than a debate) but you diminish our ability to hear them by salting them so liberally with unpleasantness. You attempt to dismiss the non-believers by saying you are only expressing yourself, and if we don't like it, to go elsewhere, but that is not true argument. That is saying that if we don't agree we can go suck eggs. Argue with me in a civilized manner - don't call me names. Don't dismiss me because I don't agree. For example, I have my own thoughts about dealing with the Chinese, who may be our biggest rivals in the world currently, and if you would like to talk about it, I'd be happy to. E-mail me, or IM me and we can do it without bothering people who are simply trying to figure out how to mount a sight on a carry handle. I know you give good service to your customers. Many here have commented on it, and you have replied to an inquiry of mine quickly. But again, I ask you publicly to share your opinions and spare us the unpleasantness. |
I don't think I called you a name and simply gave you my opinion as to why I don't like the optic or the Chinese. C4 |
| Sorry to disagree with both. I am one of Grants rather regular customers and inted to stay one. I do use an Aimpoint M-2 that I had to same a few months for on my defense M-4gery Bushy. I will get an EOtech for my new Colt actual M-4 soon. BUT a cavaet. I am a retired 19D and now a H S wrestling coach, I have three wrestlers who are going into the service, 2 19Ds, one Marine Corps. I bought two Tacpoints locally really cheap so I can teach these young men to use red dot sights. I put the two Tacpoints on friends borrowed ARs. I am able to teach these boys to shoot eyes open, finding targets, and all of the tactical things I learned about MOUT as a long time member of the Berlin Brigade combat in cities cadre. |
There lots of red dot optics (some are cheaper than the turdpoint) and will serve you well without supporting China. I also offer good prices on Aimpoints. C4 |
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I'm saving for the real deal. I'll be getting either anAimpoint or an EOTech (haven't decided yet). I feel like you usually get what you pay for. But I did run into the Tacpoint model and was tempted to go the cheaper route myself. Although, the one I looked at was made in Japan (like all the best electronics in my house). I, for one, wish we could have an intelligent discussion about the relative merits (or lack thereof) of these two optics. I know it's a design ripoff, but isn't this an AR15 site? Talk about your wholesale design ripoffs! And Japan isn't a Godless Communist country, either. So, let's talk about why the Aimpoint is worth 300% the cost of the cheapo imitation unit. Oh, and BTW, maybe we can help the thread starter out with his original question. |
If you look at the pegged topic's at the top you will notice that there is already a tacpoint thread up there. C4 |
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To me, it's worth waiting for the Aimpoint. I could buy a Tacpoint today, but the Aimpoint I'll have to wait 2 or 3 weeks to get. But that's me. I was just hoping someone could help guy out. From the sounds of things, he already owns the Tacpoint. ETA: Sorry for not searching for the other thread before opening my mouth - it's pretty simple to find. 
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As always, just e-mail me for pricing. [email protected] C4 |
thats just plain stupid to say about tacpoints and who ever buys one supports China. If yu don't like Tacpoints thats fine. You should bash a country like that. I may not agree with their way of governing themselves but I do have respect for all nations. Maybe you should throw some of your household appliances, clothes, electronics, thats are made in China away. Take a look at the keyboard you are typing on or your monitor you are looking at. where is that made? If you don't buy items made in China you probably won't have much left. WHat an idiot!!!!!!! |
Do you have any idea how many Americans are out of work because our countries companies can't compete with Chinnese who are paid the equivalent of $5.00-$8.00 a day, while they copy our countries designed products, poorlyat that? The FUCKING Chineese (Communists that tortured and killed thousands of our young men in Korea and Vietnam) don't go by international law or Treaties. While we are at it, the same goes for the (JAPS), (Tiawan, who we protect from the Chineese, why I can't figure out anymore)! I suppose your one of those types that would be dealing with Nazi Germany if they had a cheaper product knock off, well the german stuff is much better, but the prncipal is the same, buy American first, protect your country first, protect the American industries first, that protects your family, GET IT YET? Did you ever look at our trade dificit, can you advise any patents that they will not violate? Aimpoint is a Swedish company, and makes products for out troops, the Chinees comunists make a copy for us, to contribute to destroying our economy, and prob. shoot at us with the same stuff in the future, they have a track record that you can look up, see above under WAR! YOU SIR ARE A MORON! Jack  |
Well If you are so smart than I guess you don't have anything that says "made in China" I buy products that are the best quality for the money. I personally would not by the tacpoint and would by the aimpoint since it is much better quality. But for the people who can't afford it the tacpoint would do fine. Who cares who makes them. When you buy electronics, shoes, clothes etc. Do you not buy the ones that are made in China? this arguement can go on and on. My point is that if you don't like the Tacpoint ( likemyself) just say " I don't think its worth it, the Aimpoint is much better." No need to get ugly on any country. Every country does what they think is best for them. America has done some f*ucked up sh*t also that you or even most people would not know about. |
WHOA! GET YOU SOME JACK! C4 |
Apples and oranges. We are not talking about HAVING to buy a China made product, but about CHOOSING to buy one. There are many products that you have ZERO choice in buying a Chinese made product (keyboards comes to mind). It is a whole different animal to CHOOSE a Chinese made product. Ya get it now???  China does do what it thinks is best: 1. Point their nukes at us and train to wipe us off the Earth. 2.Reverse Engineer everything we make so they can sell it for cheaper. 3. Need any other reason than the above two??? C4 |
Everyone has their own views, Your reasons are valid yes indeed. But the number one reason is simply the the " Democracy type goverments VS. the communist style goverments. How many nukes do we have and how many do we have pointing at the "other countries"? You can't have weapons of mass destrutions and say its wrong for any other countries to have them also. America and China are 2 of the most powerful countries on Earth. Lets respect both. P.S I am not a communist. I just have a different understanding than some people when it comes to certain things dealing with other countries. Anyway back to the topic: I do think that Aimpoints are definately better than tacpoints and is worth the extra money you pay for them. I am looking to get one soon. |
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