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11/29/2004 4:16:52 PM EDT
I have got to use both, and like them both.
It was a NSN Acog, and it did not have the BAC

I seem to be in the minority (as I rarely see ELCANs in AR pics), but I thought the Elcan was a bit better ?

Anyone tried them both ?
any thoughts?
11/29/2004 4:19:40 PM EDT
[#1]
I bought an ELCAN before I got my TA01NSN.
I don't have the ELCAN anymore, but I have 3 ACOGs
It's a bit heavy and large, I also didn't like the thick outline around the sight picture.
11/29/2004 4:52:10 PM EDT
[#2]
I had an ELCAN, and I like it alot. I sold it tho, cause I like ACOGs more. The ELCAN does have amazing clarity and light gathering abilities tho. You could use the damn thing at night. I would like one on an AR10 or SPR type rifle tho...
11/29/2004 4:55:49 PM EDT
[#3]

Quoted:
I had an ELCAN, and I like it alot. I sold it tho, cause I like ACOGs more. The ELCAN does have amazing clarity and light gathering abilities tho. You could use the damn thing at night. I would like one on an AR10 or SPR type rifle tho...



I got to take a good long look at the ELCAN, and I can vouch for the glass.  They have found their home on top of the SAW.  The gun that I want right now but can never have is a MK46 Mod 0, a 13 lb SAW with a 16"barrel.  ELCAN would be a perfect scope.

Edited for spelling.
11/29/2004 5:49:05 PM EDT
[#4]
I don't care for the TA01. The TA31 or TA11 are somewhat better, but IMO, the glass isn't as good as an Elcan, and I prefer the Elcan reticle. (Both old and new style.) And it's hard to beat an Elcan for low-light use (other than NVG!)

To each their own. I certainly wouldn't turn down a TA31 if someone wanted to give me one, but if I am going to spend my money, it'll be on more Elcans.
11/29/2004 7:46:57 PM EDT
[#5]
Doesn't the ELCAN have an advantage over the ACOGs as its glass surface area is distinctly larger?  That gives it the ability to gather more light, no?

Not exactly an apples to apples, is what I'm getting at.
11/29/2004 7:58:15 PM EDT
[#6]
Yes, it has clear glass with a proprietary coating and the exit pupil was optimized for night shooting.  Snipercountry had a review.
11/29/2004 8:13:55 PM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:
home.wideopenwest.com/~bobb/elcan2.jpg

I don't care for the TA01. The TA31 or TA11 are somewhat better, but IMO, the glass isn't as good as an Elcan, and I prefer the Elcan reticle. (Both old and new style.) And it's hard to beat an Elcan for low-light use (other than NVG!)

To each their own. I certainly wouldn't turn down a TA31 if someone wanted to give me one, but if I am going to spend my money, it'll be on more Elcans.



I really like that 20" rifle!
Canadian M16 replica ?

Why is the buis in front? spacing issue?
thanks
11/29/2004 8:16:09 PM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:
Doesn't the ELCAN have an advantage over the ACOGs as its glass surface area is distinctly larger?  That gives it the ability to gather more light, no?

Not exactly an apples to apples, is what I'm getting at.



It's apples to apples in the sence that they both are a 3-4X optic, used in similar applications, and sit on top the flat top?
11/29/2004 8:26:58 PM EDT
[#9]
I liked them both.  The ELCAN was clearer in low-light, the ACOG was more compact and lighter.  Both seemed like good pieces.
11/29/2004 8:55:00 PM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
I really like that 20" rifle!
Canadian M16 replica ?

Why is the buis in front? spacing issue?
thanks



Thanks! Ya, it's a C7A2-gery. Why? Because everyone else has a M4gery! Also, I have thing about 5.56mm and 20" barrels, so this was the natural route to go. It  shoots really well, and the added weight of the Elcan helps balance the weight of the longer barrel/collapsing stock.

The BUIS should be a Deimaco, but since those are very hard to find, I went with a CavArms BUIS. (I also have a thing against folding BUIS!) With the large aperture up, it is no problem to get minute-of-man accuracy out to 100 meters (the farthest I shot it.) You could put a 'short' BUIS behind the Elcan, but  you can run into spacing issues, due to the height of the Elcan and the need to keep the elevation ring accessible.

In a few weeks, my C7A1-gery should be complete... ;) (No ties to Canada, other than some familiy in Ottowa and Montreal, but I dig those Canuck guns)


Quoted:
I liked them both.  The ELCAN was clearer in low-light, the ACOG was more compact and lighter.  Both seemed like good pieces.



+1. IMO, you won't be going wrong with either.
11/30/2004 8:56:57 AM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I really like that 20" rifle!
Canadian M16 replica ?

Why is the buis in front? spacing issue?
thanks



Thanks! Ya, it's a C7A2-gery. Why? Because everyone else has a M4gery! Also, I have thing about 5.56mm and 20" barrels, so this was the natural route to go. It  shoots really well, and the added weight of the Elcan helps balance the weight of the longer barrel/collapsing stock.

The BUIS should be a Deimaco, but since those are very hard to find, I went with a CavArms BUIS. (I also have a thing against folding BUIS!) With the large aperture up, it is no problem to get minute-of-man accuracy out to 100 meters (the farthest I shot it.) You could put a 'short' BUIS behind the Elcan, but  you can run into spacing issues, due to the height of the Elcan and the need to keep the elevation ring accessible.

In a few weeks, my C7A1-gery should be complete... ;) (No ties to Canada, other than some familiy in Ottowa and Montreal, but I dig those Canuck guns)


Quoted:
I liked them both.  The ELCAN was clearer in low-light, the ACOG was more compact and lighter.  Both seemed like good pieces.



+1. IMO, you won't be going wrong with either.




Is the buis used "with" the elcan or do you remove the elcan to use the buis?
Thanks in advance
11/30/2004 2:59:11 PM EDT
[#12]
I bought Duffy's ELCAN and I love it...it's my 2nd one,,,I also have a TA31 and think very highly of it also... For me the TA31 is faster but the ELCAN is better in low light and a great scope  for General use...IMHO
11/30/2004 3:29:51 PM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:
Is the buis used "with" the elcan or do you remove the elcan to use the buis?
Thanks in advance



You have to pull the Elcan to use it. Big knobs make for easy removal, so it's easy to do.
11/30/2004 3:41:10 PM EDT
[#14]
Scenario:
Stop sign 800 meters out.  aprox 2200 hours  (night)

Although distant, vehicle headlights illuminate stop sign..

Colt HBAR Preban 1/9, ruck as bipod  - Elcan scope.

Tracer M856 ammunition - M855 as well.

Placed 4 rounds out of 5  on stop sign. Jacket of  round lodged  into the stop sign.. Carbon steel core continues foreward

girl friend Keyholing at 200 meters her first time out firing..

Totally rugged, return to zero removal.. and replacement

Large wheel to turn for ballistic compensation.. somewhat idiot proof  "but, ya know"  lol

I just cant say enough of the Elcan scope..  Bad to the bone.. Again like the others said.. the glass.. I think its 42mm i dont remmeber.. it just lights it up.. Living in the boonies I could see my mailbox at night 25 meters away down my drive in the DARK.. I couldnt see it with the naked eye otherwise..
11/30/2004 4:05:23 PM EDT
[#15]
ELCAN question - Anybody know how much it costs to get one with dead tritium refurbed?  I've seen a few lately going for low prices on EBAY, but they were older ones with dim/unuseable tritium illumination.
11/30/2004 4:22:34 PM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:
ELCAN question - Anybody know how much it costs to get one with dead tritium refurbed?  I've seen a few lately going for low prices on EBAY, but they were older ones with dim/unuseable tritium illumination.



btdrygulch will be able to tell ya  He thought my ELCAN's tritium lamp was dim (so did I, but then thought it was normal) and I think he got the lamp replaced?  Well anyway I'm glad such a worthy scope has found an equally worthwhile home, I rarely used it  
11/30/2004 4:49:31 PM EDT
[#17]
tritium was recharged for me for free.. i sent it to elcan they returned it I had it back in about 3 weeks
11/30/2004 9:08:18 PM EDT
[#18]
The ELCAN objective lens diameter is only 28mm! Brightness, contrast, and resolution as only Leitz can do. Yes the Elcan is a better optic, not necessarily a better sighting tool however.
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