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Posted: 12/21/2015 11:28:21 AM EDT
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Working on completing my "budget" build list for my first build which will be a pistol. Who makes a good reliable complete pistol lower? Has anyone used a Palmetto complete pistol lower and can give feedback on reliability and durability? Any other brand suggestions are welcome also! |
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Im going with a complete lower... because I'm brand new to this, and dont care to jump in too deep with a stripped lower and LPK. So I just said I'll buy a complete lower.
Here is my List so far: Palmetto State Armory Complete Pistol Lower Radical Firearms 7.5" M4 Profile Barrel 4150 Chrome Moly Steel Phase 5 Pistol Buffer Tube Anderson MFG Stripped Upper (Might Change this) FORTIS MFG - REV II KEYMOD AR15 HANDGUARD BCM Bolt Carrier Group (MPI) – Auto I havent decided on a muzzle - and charging handle and still reading on the gas block and tube. Not sure what else I'm missing but this is the list for now. |
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Quoted: Im going with a complete lower... because I'm brand new to this, and dont care to jump in too deep with a stripped lower and LPK. So I just said I'll buy a complete lower. Here is my List so far: Palmetto State Armory Complete Pistol Lower Radical Firearms 7.5" M4 Profile Barrel 4150 Chrome Moly Steel Phase 5 Pistol Buffer Tube Anderson MFG Stripped Upper (Might Change this) FORTIS MFG - REV II KEYMOD AR15 HANDGUARD BCM Bolt Carrier Group (MPI) – Auto I havent decided on a muzzle - and charging handle and still reading on the gas block and tube. Not sure what else I'm missing but this is the list for now. A few things. Do you have the tools to assemble the upper? You say you don't want to deal with assembling a stripped lower but are okay doing the upper? You'll need an "upper build kit" since the upper receiver is stripped. So the parts for the ejection port cover and the forward assist. You'll need a gas block and a gas tube sized to match the gas system length of your barrel (pistol length I'd assume) and charging handle obviously. Why get the Phase 5 buffer tube when the PSA assembled lower comes with a receiver extension already? |
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A few things. Do you have the tools to assemble the upper? You say you don't want to deal with assembling a stripped lower but are okay doing the upper? You'll need an "upper build kit" since the upper receiver is stripped. So the parts for the ejection port cover and the forward assist. You'll need a gas block and a gas tube sized to match the gas system length of your barrel (pistol length I'd assume) and charging handle obviously. Why get the Phase 5 buffer tube when the PSA assembled lower comes with a receiver extension already? Quoted:
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Im going with a complete lower... because I'm brand new to this, and dont care to jump in too deep with a stripped lower and LPK. So I just said I'll buy a complete lower. Here is my List so far: Palmetto State Armory Complete Pistol Lower Radical Firearms 7.5" M4 Profile Barrel 4150 Chrome Moly Steel Phase 5 Pistol Buffer Tube Anderson MFG Stripped Upper (Might Change this) FORTIS MFG - REV II KEYMOD AR15 HANDGUARD BCM Bolt Carrier Group (MPI) – Auto I havent decided on a muzzle - and charging handle and still reading on the gas block and tube. Not sure what else I'm missing but this is the list for now. A few things. Do you have the tools to assemble the upper? You say you don't want to deal with assembling a stripped lower but are okay doing the upper? You'll need an "upper build kit" since the upper receiver is stripped. So the parts for the ejection port cover and the forward assist. You'll need a gas block and a gas tube sized to match the gas system length of your barrel (pistol length I'd assume) and charging handle obviously. Why get the Phase 5 buffer tube when the PSA assembled lower comes with a receiver extension already? No I dont have tools to assemble the upper. Maybe there is something to an upper that I didnt know but when I took apart my S&W Sport I was able to just pull out the bolt carrier so I guess I thought there wasnt must more involved in that part. If worst comes to worst- I could take everything to a gunsmith to assemble - Again I'm new to this so there are probably things Im missing. I wasnt planning on running an upper with a forward assist as I was told that Its not essential to have. And I wanted an ejection port cover only to have it engraved with something but again, since my AR didnt have one - not a huge need to have again. I did hear exactly what you said about the gas block and tube, I heard that this is tricky with pistol builds so I was going to read up more on whats needed and about the phase 5 - it was on the list from the beginning - didnt even think of what you pointed out! |
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I would suggest just buying an assembled upper. You did say "budget" build, and the proper tools required to build an upper can get a little pricey.
I would also suggest getting a barrel in the 10.5-11.5" range. You will lose velocity with a really short barrel, and reliability can be an issue as well. |
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I would suggest just buying an assembled upper. You did say "budget" build, and the proper tools required to build an upper can get a little pricey. I would also suggest getting a barrel in the 10.5-11.5" range. You will lose velocity with a really short barrel, and reliability can be an issue as well. I'll look into this - i did hear some issues related to reliability connected to the gas systems - not sure if that is similar to what you are referring to. as far as barrel length the longest is go is 9. I dont want a large setup but 7-9 i can live with. |
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http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-ar-15-complete-classic-pistol-lower-no-magazine-black.html ----lower for cheap as....
http://www.radicalfirearms.com/product-p/fu7.5-5.56m4-7fgs.htm----- upper for good price i own this one and never had a single failure in any way only thing is they were $199 http://www.primaryarms.com/nibxbcg-0001/p/nibxbcg-0001/-- good BCG IMO |
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With the issues I've read about Radical uppers I would say that you should highly consider other brands. I'd buy the PSA 10.5 that is on sale right now without hesitation. The PSA built lowers are a good value.
PSA Barrel: Barrel is made for Palmetto State Armory by FN Manufacturing using their proprietary blend of hammer forged chrome molly vanadium that is referred to as "Machine Gun Steel" by virtue of its use in FN's M249 and M240 weapons. The hammer forging process work hardens the steel, making it more durable. In addition, the chrome process for the bore allows for a lining almost twice as thick as a standard M16 for enhanced durability. Chambered in 5.56 NATO, with a 1:7 twist, M4 barrel extension with extended feedramps, and a carbine gas system. The barrel has an A2 style profile, is mil-spec phosphate coated, and MP/HP tested. The upper is finished off with an F-marked front sight post with sling swivel, and an A2 flash hider. |
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I've built a few ARs, but you just can't beat the pricing of a $125-$140 complete lower, and a $270-$320 complete upper with BCG and CH (in 10.5"-11.5").
I looked at the PSA lowers, but really like Aero Precision, and got it for the same price as a PSA. Then I got an AndroCorp compete upper for like $320 b/c they're well reviewed here (as are PSAs). I have a complete pistol for $450 (though I'll likely upgrade the handguards to an ALG EMR V3 m-lok, put a KAK tube and shockwave blade on it, and grab an EFAB muzzle device). Thats $400 in upgrades though. Not a super cheap build. |
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http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-ar-15-complete-classic-pistol-lower-no-magazine-black.html ----lower for cheap as.... http://www.radicalfirearms.com/product-p/fu7.5-5.56m4-7fgs.htm----- upper for good price i own this one and never had a single failure in any way only thing is they were $199 http://www.primaryarms.com/nibxbcg-0001/p/nibxbcg-0001/-- good BCG IMO I have heard good about that BCG also - I am a fan of that finish also |
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I've built a few ARs, but you just can't beat the pricing of a $125-$140 complete lower, and a $270-$320 complete upper with BCG and CH (in 10.5"-11.5"). I looked at the PSA lowers, but really like Aero Precision, and got it for the same price as a PSA. Then I got an AndroCorp compete upper for like $320 b/c they're well reviewed here (as are PSAs). I have a complete pistol for $450 (though I'll likely upgrade the handguards to an ALG EMR V3 m-lok, put a KAK tube and shockwave blade on it, and grab an EFAB muzzle device). Thats $400 in upgrades though. Not a super cheap build. Im not against picking up a complete lower and a complete upper as long as the numbers dont take me way beyond the numbers my parts list have come to. A part of the reason I liked picking up pieces is that I can get certain things and not start changing out stuff and having pieces - ie. Charging handle - because I think its call the raptor - i like that one a lot (visually) and I heard its very good. I just recently heard of aero precision and have heard great things. As far as reliability and quality of product who makes a good complete upper? Doesnt need to be a big name but I dont care to scarifice quality for going too cheap. You guys have me thinking of this as a better option especially being so new at this. |
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http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-ar-15-complete-classic-pistol-lower-no-magazine-black.html ----lower for cheap as.... http://www.radicalfirearms.com/product-p/fu7.5-5.56m4-7fgs.htm----- upper for good price i own this one and never had a single failure in any way only thing is they were $199 http://www.primaryarms.com/nibxbcg-0001/p/nibxbcg-0001/-- good BCG IMO I have heard good about that BCG also - I am a fan of that finish also You should highly consider a Nitride treated BCG, no plating to ever flake off, very slick and will stay the relatively the same color unlike how most NIB plated carriers tarnish. Were in the sunshine state are you located? |
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You should highly consider a Nitride treated BCG, no plating to ever flake off, very slick and will stay the relatively the same color unlike how most NIB plated carriers tarnish. Were in the sunshine state are you located? Quoted:
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http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-ar-15-complete-classic-pistol-lower-no-magazine-black.html ----lower for cheap as.... http://www.radicalfirearms.com/product-p/fu7.5-5.56m4-7fgs.htm----- upper for good price i own this one and never had a single failure in any way only thing is they were $199 http://www.primaryarms.com/nibxbcg-0001/p/nibxbcg-0001/-- good BCG IMO I have heard good about that BCG also - I am a fan of that finish also You should highly consider a Nitride treated BCG, no plating to ever flake off, very slick and will stay the relatively the same color unlike how most NIB plated carriers tarnish. Were in the sunshine state are you located? South FLA - Broward County. And I'm not against Nitride but that idea would be scrapped if I went with a complete upper. I dont mind that idea but I just want to know that whatever upper is going to be reliable and not throw off the numbers too much higher. RedBarnArmory has a whole upper with a Fortis rail for $379 the cheapest with variables that can increase the price but I dont want the Fortis rail on the pistol |
| If you don't know anyone who has the tools to build, send me an IM and could likely work something out as you are pretty close to SW Boca area. It is pretty tough to beat the PSA pistol lower for price and quality and pretty much the same for uppers if you find something that is formatted how you would like it to be, which isn't always as easy to do as a stellar deal may have something on it that you may not want. And with that you are lead down the path of building just what you want. |
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If you don't know anyone who has the tools to build, send me an IM and could likely work something out as you are pretty close to SW Boca area. It is pretty tough to beat the PSA pistol lower for price and quality and pretty much the same for uppers if you find something that is formatted how you would like it to be, which isn't always as easy to do as a stellar deal may have something on it that you may not want. And with that you are lead down the path of building just what you want. Boca is 15 mins from me - thats basically the same city!! lol Im trying to now look for a complete upper in a 7 or 7.5 inch barrel but Im not seeing anything. I did see "Radical Firearms" mentioned but didnt check to see if they have a complete upper and any findings on their reputation and durability. If im correct. with a complete upper and complete lower, Id be set right? aside from BUIS? the rest are just personal tweeks (Changing Charging Handle - BCG if I wanted to - Handguard) |
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While there are many who have had no issues with Radical uppers, there have been more than a few reports of the barrel extensions coming loose and other reports on how Radical decided to fix them instead of replacing the barrels with a lot of bad threads posted on this site. I would run from Radical not to them, and would suggest building what you want than purchasing any build upper or barrel from them.
Send me a message if you want to build one and we can line up some time for it. West of 441 off Palmetto. |
| I'll contact you go get some details soon. Aside from Radical I dont see any other options of complete uppers besides RockRIverArms. I might just need to start buying the stripped upper and BCG and stuff. Any recommendations on a 7.5 Barrel? The one I had on my list was actually a radical one |
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Anyone can speak of this barrel?
http://shop.masdefense.com/75-556-223-1X9-M4-CONTOUR-HARDENED-CHROME-MOLY-BARREL-759CDBL.htm |
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Anyone can speak of this barrel? http://shop.masdefense.com/75-556-223-1X9-M4-CONTOUR-HARDENED-CHROME-MOLY-BARREL-759CDBL.htm Since no one is chiming in, I have no direct experience with masdefense but have read mostly positive things about them. That would be a great deal for a budget build if it all works outs and may serve you well. Suggestion when buying parts, try to source as many parts from a single company as possible to help keep down your shipping costs. Example is AIM's sells Anderson uppers and have there own brand of BCG's that have been reported to perform very well. You should consider some type of linear compensator/flash can for your project to send the concussion down range away from you. |
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Since no one is chiming in, I have no direct experience with masdefense but have read mostly positive things about them. That would be a great deal for a budget build if it all works outs and may serve you well. Suggestion when buying parts, try to source as many parts from a single company as possible to help keep down your shipping costs. Example is AIM's sells Anderson uppers and have there own brand of BCG's that have been reported to perform very well. You should consider some type of linear compensator/flash can for your project to send the concussion down range away from you. Quoted:
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Anyone can speak of this barrel? http://shop.masdefense.com/75-556-223-1X9-M4-CONTOUR-HARDENED-CHROME-MOLY-BARREL-759CDBL.htm Since no one is chiming in, I have no direct experience with masdefense but have read mostly positive things about them. That would be a great deal for a budget build if it all works outs and may serve you well. Suggestion when buying parts, try to source as many parts from a single company as possible to help keep down your shipping costs. Example is AIM's sells Anderson uppers and have there own brand of BCG's that have been reported to perform very well. You should consider some type of linear compensator/flash can for your project to send the concussion down range away from you. Yes the shipping is what is going to inflate things with online buying but I'll just have to do what I have to. Im now trying to pick a charging handle. I like the look of the strike industries Cookie Cutter Comp - or the Novesky kx3 - dont know of any others. |
| What length rail are you looking at using and what "look" are you wanting to achieve with the end of rail/end of barrel interface? There are likely better options that don't weigh (1/2 lb) nearly as much as those two that you are eyeballing and they will look pretty darn large compared to the Fortis rail if that is route your taking. The Noveske Kx5 maybe a better choice, but it is fairly pricey for a budget build. |
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I've decided on the Strike Industries Cookie Cutter Cop - I want to save the Fortis for a full size AR-15. I've become drawn to m-lok so I think thats what I want to do for the pistol. Aero Precision makes an 7inch MLOK Handguard I like.
Might anyone have any feedback on this BCG? http://shop.doasales.net/TRITON-PREMIUM-BOLT-CARRIER-GROUP-556-223-300BLK-TRIFABCG.htm |
| Yikes. Won't a cookie cutter send a megaton of blast and flame out to the sides and top? I guess if you don't care about that it's fine, but comparing that to linear and flash hiders that aren't blasty, I'd think it would be one of the worst. I wonder how the primary arm/weapon tech STARS flash-Comp works as far as recoil. It evidently is a great flash hider and works on the same principle as the fossa-556 except it's less than half the price. |
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Yikes. Won't a cookie cutter send a megaton of blast and flame out to the sides and top? I guess if you don't care about that it's fine, but comparing that to linear and flash hiders that aren't blasty, I'd think it would be one of the worst. I wonder how the primary arm/weapon tech STARS flash-Comp works as far as recoil. It evidently is a great flash hider and works on the same principle as the fossa-556 except it's less than half the price. Ive heard that about the cookie cutter - but I like the look of it in a short setup. If I get it and it impaired my ability to run the pistol good - then i'll just change it out. |
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Unless I've gotten something wrong... this is my new list which should be complete:
Palmetto State Armory Complete Pistol Lower: MAS Defense 7.5" 5.56 / .223 1X9 M4 CONTOUR HARDENED CHROME MOLY BARREL: Rainer Arms Upper Without Fwd Assist: Aero Precision 7” M Lok Handguard: BCM Bolt Carrier Group (MPI) Strike Industries Red Charging Handle Strike Industries Cookie Cutter Comp Magpul BUIS I havent gotten final clarification on the gas block needed but aside from that I think im done. From this point, the only thing left would be changing the trigger later to a CMC Flat trigger and possibly a red dot later. |
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You'll need the ejection port door/post/spring parts for the upper, or omit them if you don't want them, but the upper doesn't appear to include them. As for the gas block, any lo-pro block sized for a 0.750" diameter barrel will work. And you'll need a pistol length gas tube. If you go with a non-adjustable gas block, you might need to play around with swapping out your buffer for a heavier one to get it to run reliably with it being so short, there's almost no way to know for sure until you assemble it and trouble-shoot. If you opt for an adjustable gas block, you can instead use that to tune your gas. |
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You'll need the ejection port door/post/spring parts for the upper, or omit them if you don't want them, but the upper doesn't appear to include them. As for the gas block, any lo-pro block sized for a 0.750" diameter barrel will work. And you'll need a pistol length gas tube. If you go with a non-adjustable gas block, you might need to play around with swapping out your buffer for a heavier one to get it to run reliably with it being so short, there's almost no way to know for sure until you assemble it and trouble-shoot. If you opt for an adjustable gas block, you can instead use that to tune your gas. Is there any gain loss for going adjustable vs non adjustable gas block? I wanted to swap out the buffer tube possibly for a Phase 5 because i heard they were great, but going with a complete lower I left that out for now at least. As for the ejection port door - not totally sure if I want one - I like the idea of a custom engraved one that says something or with an image, but then again I'm not sure. |
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The real advantage with an adjustable gas block is when you plan to suppress, as the gas volumes will very between with and without the suppressor and being able to fine tune the gas between the two modes can give more reliable operation. The other use, in cases such as yours where you plan to run a particularly short barrel, is it allows you the most freedom to dial in your gas volume and ensure good reliable function of the firearm without it being under or over gassed. Again, this issue can also be resolved by trying different buffer weights or buffer spring stiffnesses, but it can require some testing with the various parts until you have it reliably where you want it, or you might even get lucky and it'll run fine with the stock parts the lower will come with. When dealing with pieced together builds like this using parts from a mix of manufacturers, there's more of a trial-and-error element involved. An adjustable block allows you to fine-tune without having to swap out parts, but you'll pay more upfront for a good quality adjustable unit. |
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The real advantage with an adjustable gas block is when you plan to suppress, as the gas volumes will very between with and without the suppressor and being able to fine tune the gas between the two modes can give more reliable operation. The other use, in cases such as yours where you plan to run a particularly short barrel, is it allows you the most freedom to dial in your gas volume and ensure good reliable function of the firearm without it being under or over gassed. Again, this issue can also be resolved by trying different buffer weights or buffer spring stiffnesses, but it can require some testing with the various parts until you have it reliably where you want it, or you might even get lucky and it'll run fine with the stock parts the lower will come with. When dealing with pieced together builds like this using parts from a mix of manufacturers, there's more of a trial-and-error element involved. An adjustable block allows you to fine-tune without having to swap out parts, but you'll pay more upfront for a good quality adjustable unit. I'll take a look at an adjustable based on this information you've shared. And as far as suppressors - I've heard these are a lot of money - probably wont ever get into that type of thing. |
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BCG, you should consider a Toolcraft that is a vetted contractor
WC Armory |
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I will take a look at these - Im all for supporting the little guys and I believe their customer service will typically be more personable which I prefer. I was told that I need to make sure that its an M16 BCG because it is heavier and the bolt should be shot peened, milspec and pressure tested. Im by no means big brand swayed - I just want reliable parts that will run consistently. I like to be different, but I am stealing someones cerakote finish idea 
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Wanted to out a question for my build going with a different flash suppressor - Say I went with the Novesky KX3 but as with the Cookie Cutter Comp I wanted it to sit basically flush after the rail. I know its not as wide as the CC Comp.
Would I be able to run say a 9inch rail over a 7 inch barrel with the flash suppressor? Has anyone done or can help me source a picture of how this might look? Im not a fan of the muzzle extending far out beyond the rail |
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Decided to shoot them an e-mail and got a response the same day (Great Sign) and all questions I had were answered. My question to you is, have you ever purchased from WCARMORY? I ask because the prices listed for the Nickle Boron version is roughly $70 dollars difference. That is a bit large of a variance in price. Even the regular black BCG is $23 dollars less - but $23 is a bit more realistic of a variance. I'll inquire with them again if they will still back the products with the same Lifetime Warranty that is posted on their website. If they will, then I'll go through WCArmory otherwise I'll order directly from the site they advised for $110 - which is still cheaper than the $170 i was looking at for a BCG originally. Thank You!! |
| another option for the barrel is this one w/ 1:7 twist rate. |
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Sweet, I like that 
Thanks for the link. They have some good deals on barrels. |
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Dont know the difference in 1:7 and 1:9 - Any insight? |
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Im going with a complete lower... because I'm brand new to this, and dont care to jump in too deep with a stripped lower and LPK. So I just said I'll buy a complete lower. Here is my List so far: Palmetto State Armory Complete Pistol Lower Radical Firearms 7.5" M4 Profile Barrel 4150 Chrome Moly Steel Phase 5 Pistol Buffer Tube Anderson MFG Stripped Upper (Might Change this) FORTIS MFG - REV II KEYMOD AR15 HANDGUARD BCM Bolt Carrier Group (MPI) – Auto I havent decided on a muzzle - and charging handle and still reading on the gas block and tube. Not sure what else I'm missing but this is the list for now. Since you don't have tools, I'd just buy this when it comes back in stock. http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-7-nitride-5-56-1-9-keymod-upper-without-bcg-or-charging-handle.html Basically the same thing you are trying to build. Don't listen to the guy trying to get you to go longer on the barrel. 7.5"s are the most fun, coolest and smallest. |
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Since you don't have tools, I'd just buy this when it comes back in stock. http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-7-nitride-5-56-1-9-keymod-upper-without-bcg-or-charging-handle.html Basically the same thing you are trying to build. Don't listen to the guy trying to get you to go longer on the barrel. 7.5"s are the most fun, coolest and smallest. Quoted:
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Im going with a complete lower... because I'm brand new to this, and dont care to jump in too deep with a stripped lower and LPK. So I just said I'll buy a complete lower. Here is my List so far: Palmetto State Armory Complete Pistol Lower Radical Firearms 7.5" M4 Profile Barrel 4150 Chrome Moly Steel Phase 5 Pistol Buffer Tube Anderson MFG Stripped Upper (Might Change this) FORTIS MFG - REV II KEYMOD AR15 HANDGUARD BCM Bolt Carrier Group (MPI) – Auto I havent decided on a muzzle - and charging handle and still reading on the gas block and tube. Not sure what else I'm missing but this is the list for now. Since you don't have tools, I'd just buy this when it comes back in stock. http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-7-nitride-5-56-1-9-keymod-upper-without-bcg-or-charging-handle.html Basically the same thing you are trying to build. Don't listen to the guy trying to get you to go longer on the barrel. 7.5"s are the most fun, coolest and smallest. This doesnt look like a bad option but I already got a stripped upper from Rainer that they had on sale. Im ok with doing the upper because I want to change things and i dont want to end up with half an upper of left over parts from changing things |
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Dont know the difference in 1:7 and 1:9 - Any insight? twist rate 1:7 will stabilize heavier bullets, 69 gr and heavier but it will also do well with 55 gr rounds. IF you choose light 40 gr varmint loads 1:7 is too fast and will overstablize and can in some cases cause bullets to disintegrate when they exit the barrel. 1:8 is considered a good compromise between 1:7 and 1:9 1:9 will not do as well with heavier bullets. |
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Can anyone recommend me an adjustable gas block? I saw the seekins but i was seeing reviews indicating it is hard to adjust with the handguard on due to direction of the adjustment. Midwest doesnt seem to have an adjustable gas block either. SLR is good and Syrac. Both are adjusted from the front with an allen wrench. |
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Can anyone recommend me an adjustable gas block? I saw the seekins but i was seeing reviews indicating it is hard to adjust with the handguard on due to direction of the adjustment. Midwest doesnt seem to have an adjustable gas block either. SLR is good and Syrac. Both are adjusted from the front with an allen wrench. +1 for Syrac. I have them on two ARs. They are very reliable. I recently put an Anderson adjustable gas block on a build. For $50, it is a good value. Time will tell regarding quality. |
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Decided to shoot them an e-mail and got a response the same day (Great Sign) and all questions I had were answered. My question to you is, have you ever purchased from WCARMORY? I ask because the prices listed for the Nickle Boron version is roughly $70 dollars difference. That is a bit large of a variance in price. Even the regular black BCG is $23 dollars less - but $23 is a bit more realistic of a variance. I'll inquire with them again if they will still back the products with the same Lifetime Warranty that is posted on their website. If they will, then I'll go through WCArmory otherwise I'll order directly from the site they advised for $110 - which is still cheaper than the $170 i was looking at for a BCG originally. Thank You!! Quoted:
Decided to shoot them an e-mail and got a response the same day (Great Sign) and all questions I had were answered. My question to you is, have you ever purchased from WCARMORY? I ask because the prices listed for the Nickle Boron version is roughly $70 dollars difference. That is a bit large of a variance in price. Even the regular black BCG is $23 dollars less - but $23 is a bit more realistic of a variance. I'll inquire with them again if they will still back the products with the same Lifetime Warranty that is posted on their website. If they will, then I'll go through WCArmory otherwise I'll order directly from the site they advised for $110 - which is still cheaper than the $170 i was looking at for a BCG originally. Thank You!! I have ordered from them on two different occasions, they were very responsive. Personally I'd prefer a Melonite/Nitride coated bcg to a NB coated one as there inherent staining issue isn't something I care for and it's a plated coating where the other isn't. Or just go Mil Spec phosphate. |
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twist rate 1:7 will stabilize heavier bullets, 69 gr and heavier but it will also do well with 55 gr rounds. IF you choose light 40 gr varmint loads 1:7 is too fast and will overstablize and can in some cases cause bullets to disintegrate when they exit the barrel. 1:8 is considered a good compromise between 1:7 and 1:9 1:9 will not do as well with heavier bullets. Quoted:
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Dont know the difference in 1:7 and 1:9 - Any insight? twist rate 1:7 will stabilize heavier bullets, 69 gr and heavier but it will also do well with 55 gr rounds. IF you choose light 40 gr varmint loads 1:7 is too fast and will overstablize and can in some cases cause bullets to disintegrate when they exit the barrel. 1:8 is considered a good compromise between 1:7 and 1:9 1:9 will not do as well with heavier bullets. And this is a whole different debate and it's possible that a 1:9 may not work optimally with 75 and 77 grain bullets, but if it is primarily a range gun you will likely be shooting 55 grain ammo that it will excel at shooting more so than a 7 twist where it was designed more for the heavies and not the lighter 50/55/62 grain class bullets. It wouldn't be a deal breaker for me as it isn't a medium to long range firearm. |
| I bought my complete upper from these guyshttp://androcorpind.com/index.php?route=product/category&path=80. I have a 7" barreled pistol , works just fine and they shipped quickly. |
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I bought my complete upper from these guyshttp://androcorpind.com/index.php?route=product/category&path=80. I have a 7" barreled pistol , works just fine and they shipped quickly. Their prices are relatively close to what I am looking to reach in the end of my upper build. Again, Id change the handguard - and charging handle which would cost me about 180 more... Might as well do it to my specs... but thank you!! I wish I didnt want certain things because this would be great! |
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And this is a whole different debate and it's possible that a 1:9 may not work optimally with 75 and 77 grain bullets, but if it is primarily a range gun you will likely be shooting 55 grain ammo that it will excel at shooting more so than a 7 twist where it was designed more for the heavies and not the lighter 50/55/62 grain class bullets. It wouldn't be a deal breaker for me as it isn't a medium to long range firearm. Quoted:
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Dont know the difference in 1:7 and 1:9 - Any insight? twist rate 1:7 will stabilize heavier bullets, 69 gr and heavier but it will also do well with 55 gr rounds. IF you choose light 40 gr varmint loads 1:7 is too fast and will overstablize and can in some cases cause bullets to disintegrate when they exit the barrel. 1:8 is considered a good compromise between 1:7 and 1:9 1:9 will not do as well with heavier bullets. And this is a whole different debate and it's possible that a 1:9 may not work optimally with 75 and 77 grain bullets, but if it is primarily a range gun you will likely be shooting 55 grain ammo that it will excel at shooting more so than a 7 twist where it was designed more for the heavies and not the lighter 50/55/62 grain class bullets. It wouldn't be a deal breaker for me as it isn't a medium to long range firearm. I pray that in the course of my existance I wont be in a war caliber defense situation - so the bulk of the use will be range - maybe hunting with some of my outdoors friends. Though I know this answer, I will pose the question - is 55 or 62 grain not sufficient for defense situations? I understand the logic of the 1:7 vs 1:9 now that it was explained - but in what setting would I need to be using that weight of ammo? |
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