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Posted: 12/29/2015 1:55:07 PM EDT
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New here, first post. New to AR. First build. Going with an 80% lower for political reasons, no serial #/no registration. Therefore building, not buying first AR. My use will be home defense, plinking and maybe varmints. Midway has a sell on a AR-Stoner complete upper assembly for $300. Reviews are good. Any thoughts?
http://t.emails.midwayusa.com/r/?id=hd8774db4%2c1c7fa95%2c1c9f87d Of course I'm hoping not to get BRD to bad, that said, I'll go a little fancier on the second build.javascript:insertText('  ');
BTW, my next choice on a complete upper is to go with BCM. I'm in the idiot but learning class with an AR, so any help I'm grateful for. thanks |
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Pretty basic, no frills upper. Should work fine. You might want to check Palmetto State Armory for their uppers. Their budget "Freedom" line would be good for your build. You could get one with a melonite barrel and a midlength gas system which are both good things. The melonite barrel will last much longer.
Their premium line of uppers are awesome for the money. The FN barrels are high quality. Also, when you buy a lower from a gun shop, it is not registered. The 4473 background check that you fill out is just that, a background check, not the gun being registered. |
| Thank you for that info. I wasn't sure about what all the FFL would want to know or file to have something sent to them. One other problem is I live in two different states, but only one drivers license, which is WA. I also live in California part of the time. So I'll have check on how it might be possible for me to pick up in California if I choose to purchase now. BTW, I have looked at the PSA stuff and like it. So I will most likely go PSA or BCM for the upper. Thanks again. |
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Quoted: Thank you for that info. I wasn't sure about what all the FFL would want to know or file to have something sent to them. One other problem is I live in two different states, but only one drivers license, which is WA. I also live in California part of the time. So I'll have check on how it might be possible for me to pick up in California if I choose to purchase now. BTW, I have looked at the PSA stuff and like it. So I will most likely go PSA or BCM for the upper. Thanks again. |
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New here, first post. New to AR. First build. Going with an 80% lower for political reasons, no serial #/no registration. Therefore building, not buying first AR. I urge you to go easy on the no serial # stuff, that may be construed as an illegal activity, which violates COC. |
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Quoted: I urge you to go easy on the no serial # stuff, that may be construed as an illegal activity, which violates COC. Quoted: Quoted: New here, first post. New to AR. First build. Going with an 80% lower for political reasons, no serial #/no registration. Therefore building, not buying first AR. I urge you to go easy on the no serial # stuff, that may be construed as an illegal activity, which violates COC. Nothing at all illegal about completing an 80% lower with no serial numbers, barring any local laws applying to the OP. |
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I urge you to go easy on the no serial # stuff, that may be construed as an illegal activity, which violates COC. Quoted:
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New here, first post. New to AR. First build. Going with an 80% lower for political reasons, no serial #/no registration. Therefore building, not buying first AR. I urge you to go easy on the no serial # stuff, that may be construed as an illegal activity, which violates COC. Curious as to how you arrived at that assertion... |
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New here, first post. New to AR. First build. Going with an 80% lower for political reasons, no serial #/no registration. Therefore building, not buying first AR. I urge you to go easy on the no serial # stuff, that may be construed as an illegal activity, which violates COC. Curious as to how you arrived at that assertion... The way he phrased it. Political reasons. No serial #. No registration Makes OP sound shady to me |
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Nothing shady about his reasons and nothing wrong with exercising one's legal rights to produce a home made firearm as long as his intentions are not to use it illegally. I seriously doubt the OP would make a public announcement about building a home made firearm and then get shady with it. |
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Let me clear it up. I have no intention of doing anything shady, too much to lose I've worked my whole life for. I have no use, nor trust the current occupant in the White House. Nor do I have any trust or use for the shrieking hag trying to be the next occupant. They are both anti-gun. I simply want to build a weapon that I don't have to worry about some homeland security agent can't show up at my door and demand that I give up my second amendment rights. My political reasons are I don't trust the bastards. The Snake has one more year with his pen and his phone. Who knows what evil lurks in that mind.
Anyway, as of today it's legal to buy the parts and build an AR-15 from scratch, no serial #, no registration. Planning on buying a 80% lower today. Here's a question; went into my local gun shop yesterday to check FFL transfer fees. They want $100 to receive any parts that I my want to order and have shipped to them, to use their license. This seems very high to me. Is this the going rate now? |
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If your inquiry at your local dealer was about obtaining parts (you $100 sounds high for a transfer fee. Although did say "any parts") for your planned 80% build then let this be clarified- everything you need to build an AR can be shipped right to your door, even complete barreled uppers. There is no need to get a dealer involved when buying AR parts unless you are buying a stripped or assembled lower receiver. You can get your 80% lowers, jig, and all parts needed to assemble a complete working firearm delivered to your door. At least that is the case here in Illinois, maybe other states differ? individual FFL's certainly have the right to charge whatever they want, I thought it was only normally $20 to $30. |
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Quoted: Let me clear it up. I have no intention of doing anything shady, too much to lose I've worked my whole life for. I have no use, nor trust the current occupant in the White House. Nor do I have any trust or use for the shrieking hag trying to be the next occupant. They are both anti-gun. I simply want to build a weapon that I don't have to worry about some homeland security agent can't show up at my door and demand that I give up my second amendment rights. My political reasons are I don't trust the bastards. The Snake has one more year with his pen and his phone. Who knows what evil lurks in that mind. Anyway, as of today it's legal to buy the parts and build an AR-15 from scratch, no serial #, no registration. Planning on buying a 80% lower today. Here's a question; went into my local gun shop yesterday to check FFL transfer fees. They want $100 to receive any parts that I my want to order and have shipped to them, to use their license. This seems very high to me. Is this the going rate now? $100 is very high, $25 most places here. I too was wondering about this upper, Is this the website for this company? http://www.stonerarms.com Maybe someone has more info on this company? |
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Quoted: Maybe someone has more info on this company? Quoted: Quoted: Let me clear it up. I have no intention of doing anything shady, too much to lose I've worked my whole life for. I have no use, nor trust the current occupant in the White House. Nor do I have any trust or use for the shrieking hag trying to be the next occupant. They are both anti-gun. I simply want to build a weapon that I don't have to worry about some homeland security agent can't show up at my door and demand that I give up my second amendment rights. My political reasons are I don't trust the bastards. The Snake has one more year with his pen and his phone. Who knows what evil lurks in that mind. Anyway, as of today it's legal to buy the parts and build an AR-15 from scratch, no serial #, no registration. Planning on buying a 80% lower today. Here's a question; went into my local gun shop yesterday to check FFL transfer fees. They want $100 to receive any parts that I my want to order and have shipped to them, to use their license. This seems very high to me. Is this the going rate now? Maybe someone has more info on this company? Anyone?  |
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AR Stoner is Midway USA's house brand. I don't think they are affiliated with Stoner Arms. https://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=3&f=4&t=505714 |
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Quoted: AR Stoner is Midway USA's house brand. I don't think they are affiliated with Stoner Arms. https://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=3&f=4&t=505714 Awesome, thanks for the info. |
Yeah, I couldn't find out much about AR-Stoner. My mind has kinda wandered a little, imagine that. I'm looking at a PSA or Adams Arms complete assembly and spending a little more. Damn the BRD! Yeah, I know I can get the stuff without serials shipped direct to me. Just thought I would check on the transfers fees. And yeah, I thought about $30, but $100? Forget it. I'm leaning towards the Adams; 16", mid, gas piston, melonite, bcg/ch for around $600. Or PSA, similar but FN chrome barrel for around $500. 80% lowers, two of them, the wife insisted  , on the way.
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Quoted: Yeah, I couldn't find out much about AR-Stoner. My mind has kinda wandered a little, imagine that. I'm looking at a PSA or Adams Arms complete assembly and spending a little more. Damn the BRD! Yeah, I know I can get the stuff without serials shipped direct to me. Just thought I would check on the transfers fees. And yeah, I thought about $30, but $100? Forget it. I'm leaning towards the Adams; 16", mid, gas piston, melonite, bcg/ch for around $600. Or PSA, similar but FN chrome barrel for around $500. 80% lowers, two of them, the wife insisted , on the way.I've ordered a few things from PSA, no issues with them at all & great customer service thus far. |
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OP, just to let you know, that Adams Arms is a "piston" driven type AR and not a "direct impingment" AR. BIG DIFFERENCE.
Piston driven AR are a pritory(sp) type and use their own parts in how they operate. More expensive, cleaner to run, people that have them like them. Don't know if harder to find parts as I don't own this operating system. Your typical AR15 is "direct impingment" type. BCG is gas actuated and parts are plentiful at the moment. |
| Yeah, just trying to find out more about the gas piston. The Adams is not in stock, so I have some time to check it out a little better before acting. Just got me interested due to price and I'd like to throw a few things on the back of the bench for later projects. From what I gather so far that upper will fit on any mil-spec lower. However, if spare parts for the BCG are going to be an issue, that could change my thinking. To be honest, I just don't know enough about it. |
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make your first gun a nomal pattern AR baseline
Yeah I plan to. I got a Spike's Tatical upper on the way. I would need to get more info on the Adams gas piston before going with it. From what I gather the different gas pistons are not all alike, no standard design. Another opined that Stoner did not design the direct impingement bolt to be hammered. So you have proprietary parts, designs that could be suspect on lower end gas piston systems and ya have to weigh the pro's and con's. But at $550 for the Adams complete upper and throw in a second BCG as a spare? I dunno, I'll just have to wait and see when I get that email notifying me the parts are in stock. But the first build is with the Spike's DI. Got my eye's out for a lower build kit. Biggest issue right now, and maybe it shouldn't be but, after Sandy Hook you couldn't find anything AR-15. I read a quote today from a gun grabber that is encouraging the snake to do some executive orders on gun control, that there dealers who are selling "thousands" of guns without a FFL or background checks. We all know it's bullshit, but, there are thousands of sheeples out there that believe this crap. Hence, I got a feeling the snake is going to do all he can in his last year to go after our guns. So I'm just thinking I should stock up on some basics ahead of a panic. But I remember when I couldn't find a box of 9mm or 380. Couldn't find primers or powder. Throw in San Bernadino, ISIS and the anti-gun crowd and who knows what 2016 will be like. |
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