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Posted: 1/19/2015 10:34:57 AM EDT
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I am looking for a lower with the ability to engage the bolt catch on the right hand side (releasing it is, too, would be a bonus, but not nearly as important for me), since I don't like the BAD Lever (through the trigger guard style (looks to band-aid fix for my taste.) Currently, my choices seem to be:
1) Rainier Arms forged lower with the A-DAC system. Basically, the mag release button also pushes the bolt catch up. I don't believe that it has the right-hand side release feature (just engage), but it is very clean. Trying to think of a case where I'd want to engage the catch and not release the magazine, but I can't really think of many. 2) Aero Precision or Incendia Arms lower pre-cut for the PDQ Lever from Teal Blue Bravo (or, of course, I could cut any other lower for it myself.) The PDQ is a little more obtrusive, but not too much so, and it has a "designed in" look when installed. It also allows for both the catch and release functions to be operated from the right side. Right now, I'm leaning toward the Incedia billet lower, because I like the design and the PDQ. Any reasons to change my mind? |
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I have an AXTS A-DAC-F lower. I very much care for having a rh bho. The rh bolt release would be nice too, but wasn't critical when I purchased the lower.
I since then ordered a PDQ and am heavily contemplating adding it to my A-DAC lower. Of course to retain the A-DAC feature, the bottom of the PDQ bolt catch would need to be relieved like the A-DAC's, and the magazine release would have to be used as well (it has angular cuts on the top and bottom which engage the pin). Also, there really is no reason why one would need to lock the bolt back whilehaving a mag in the gun. Lastly, I do think the A-DAC is nice because it otherwise looks standard, and only adds 1 additional part which is internal and can be easily removed if you choose to. That said, the PDQ is an integrated BAD lever and adds NO parts, just a redesigned bolt catch. ps. I did use BAD levers at one time, but don't care for them after using an integrated type control. |
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I have an AXTS A-DAC-F lower. Quoted:
I have an AXTS A-DAC-F lower. 
A little outside of my budget (and I believe that they are sold out.) Would have to settle for the Rainier forged lower. I since then ordered a PDQ and am heavily contemplating adding it to my A-DAC lower.
Of course to retain the A-DAC feature, the bottom of the PDQ bolt catch would need to be relieved like the A-DAC's, and the magazine release would have to be used as well (it has angular cuts on the top and bottom which engage the pin). So, you are going for A-DAC to engage and PDQ to release, then? ETA: forgot to mention that I'm using it with an ASA side charger, which is why engaging the catch is important. Would either one be easier to do while operating the left-side charging handle? |
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A little outside of my budget (and I believe that they are sold out.) Would have to settle for the Rainier forged lower. So, you are going for A-DAC to engage and PDQ to release, then? ETA: forgot to mention that I'm using it with an ASA side charger, which is why engaging the catch is important. Would either one be easier to do while operating the left-side charging handle? Quoted:
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I have an AXTS A-DAC-F lower.
A little outside of my budget (and I believe that they are sold out.) Would have to settle for the Rainier forged lower. I since then ordered a PDQ and am heavily contemplating adding it to my A-DAC lower.
Of course to retain the A-DAC feature, the bottom of the PDQ bolt catch would need to be relieved like the A-DAC's, and the magazine release would have to be used as well (it has angular cuts on the top and bottom which engage the pin). So, you are going for A-DAC to engage and PDQ to release, then? ETA: forgot to mention that I'm using it with an ASA side charger, which is why engaging the catch is important. Would either one be easier to do while operating the left-side charging handle? The A-DAC-F lower is a standard forged lower. AXTS is no longer selling those to the general public as all forged lowers are going to fill a LEO order. I'd wager to say that Rainier licensed the use of the A-DAC feature from AXTS for their run of lowers. The only lower AXTS now offers the AX556 billet lower which is indeed more money. I would most likely use the A-DAC to hold open and the PDQ to release, but having the option to lock the bolt back via the PDQ would be there too. IMHO- I would like to think that the physical action of pressing the mag release while pulling back the left side charging handle would be more preferable vs pressing up on a rh lever while pulling the ch. It's all a matter of practice though. Get which one you want and practice it so you become efficient with it. 
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[The A-DAC-F lower is a standard forged lower. AXTS is no longer selling those to the general public as all forged lowers are going to fill a LEO order. I'd wager to say that Rainier licensed the use of the A-DAC feature from AXTS for their run of lowers. The only lower AXTS now offers the AX556 billet lower which is indeed more money. Ah, yes, forgot that they actually made a forged lower. Too bad that they're not selling it, as I prefer the AXTS design aesthetics to Rainiers (only important because they are functionally identical.) Their billet one is really nice (even includes an integrated right side bolt release, in addition to the A-DAC), but $$$. IMHO- I would like to think that the physical action of pressing the mag release while pulling back the left side charging handle would be more preferable vs pressing up on a rh lever while pulling the ch. That's what I would have guessed, but I'm definitely glad to have the opinion of someone with first-hand knowledge of both. I'll probably just end up with the Rainier for the A-DAC, though I do like the Incendia billet more, otherwise. Or ... maybe I'll just go the practice, practice, practice method with the PDQ. 
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Ah, yes, forgot that they actually made a forged lower. Too bad that they're not selling it, as I prefer the AXTS design aesthetics to Rainiers (only important because they are functionally identical.) Their billet one is really nice (even includes an integrated right side bolt release, in addition to the A-DAC), but $$$. That's what I would have guessed, but I'm definitely glad to have the opinion of someone with first-hand knowledge of both. I'll probably just end up with the Rainier for the A-DAC, though I do like the Incendia billet more, otherwise. Or ... maybe I'll just go the practice, practice, practice method with the PDQ. Quoted:
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[The A-DAC-F lower is a standard forged lower. AXTS is no longer selling those to the general public as all forged lowers are going to fill a LEO order. I'd wager to say that Rainier licensed the use of the A-DAC feature from AXTS for their run of lowers. The only lower AXTS now offers the AX556 billet lower which is indeed more money. Ah, yes, forgot that they actually made a forged lower. Too bad that they're not selling it, as I prefer the AXTS design aesthetics to Rainiers (only important because they are functionally identical.) Their billet one is really nice (even includes an integrated right side bolt release, in addition to the A-DAC), but $$$. IMHO- I would like to think that the physical action of pressing the mag release while pulling back the left side charging handle would be more preferable vs pressing up on a rh lever while pulling the ch. That's what I would have guessed, but I'm definitely glad to have the opinion of someone with first-hand knowledge of both. I'll probably just end up with the Rainier for the A-DAC, though I do like the Incendia billet more, otherwise. Or ... maybe I'll just go the practice, practice, practice method with the PDQ. Yeah, when AXTS first came about they released a forged lower which had their A-DAC feature. I happened to get a relatively low serial number from their first run. 
Your right. The forged AXTS lower is awesome. Very sweet markings. IMHO, one of, if not the finest forged lower I've handled yet. The Rainier Arms is likely a quality piece too. (Even though the markings aren't as cool) 
Yes, that Incendia billet lower does look nice and I think the price they're asking is reasonable IMHO. One thing to consider is if you want to sometime down the road, combine both the A-DAC feature and the PDQ feature, it will be much easier to add a PDQ lever to an A-DAC receiver vs A-DAC feature to a PDQ lower (which you'd have to make yourself because no one sells an "a-dac kit". |
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Man, I wish I could buy a few of those AXTS A-DAC-F lowers. I don't have one, but as a right-handed guy with no real need for ambi features, the A-DAC is perfect for me. I didn't realize Rainier had their branded version in stock, may have to consider that. But the original AXTS version is what I really wish I could get. Is Rainier the only option now?
I put a PDQ lever in one of my lowers. My only desire was to be able to lock the bolt back without removing my right hand from the grip...I don't even care about releasing the bolt with the right hand. The PDQ works I guess, I just don't like it. It's kind of difficult for me to use for locking the bolt back, whereas pushing the mag release is very easy and natural. I'm very jealous of you guys that have the AXTS A-DAC-F lowers. I remember seeing those when they were readily available for $130 and I didn't realize at the time that I should have bought several. |
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Man, I wish I could buy a few of those AXTS A-DAC-F lowers. I don't have one, but as a right-handed guy with no real need for ambi features, the A-DAC is perfect for me. I didn't realize Rainier had their branded version in stock, may have to consider that. But the original AXTS version is what I really wish I could get. Is Rainier the only option now? I put a PDQ lever in one of my lowers. My only desire was to be able to lock the bolt back without removing my right hand from the grip...I don't even care about releasing the bolt with the right hand. The PDQ works I guess, I just don't like it. It's kind of difficult for me to use for locking the bolt back, whereas pushing the mag release is very easy and natural. I'm very jealous of you guys that have the AXTS A-DAC-F lowers. I remember seeing those when they were readily available for $130 and I didn't realize at the time that I should have bought several. Yes, Rainier is the only option for a forged lower with the A-DAC feature. I too wish AXTS would release more forged lowers, but according to them, all forged lowers are going to fill a LEO order and they cannot tell us when they might offer them again. It really sucks as they didn't sell forged lowers for too long and then quit offering them awhile ago and focused on the AX556 lower. |
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Just saw that Rainier's Ultramatch Billet Ambi Lower has an integrated bolt release on the right side. Too bad they didn't include the A-DAC-F as well like AXTS did on their billet lower. Engaging the catch is more important to me, but that is a very slick looking release lever. Actually, it looks to be in the same spot as the AXTS one, so I wonder if they licensed Rainer both systems, but said that they couldn't put both into one lower.
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Just saw that Rainier's Ultramatch Billet Ambi Lower has an integrated bolt release on the right side. Too bad they didn't include the A-DAC-F as well like AXTS did on their billet lower. Engaging the catch is more important to me, but that is a very slick looking release lever. Actually, it looks to be in the same spot as the AXTS one, so I wonder if they licensed Rainer both systems, but said that they couldn't put both into one lower. That lower design is similar or identical to all the other "ambi" lowers which have a rh bolt release. There is a hole above the mag release which extends through to the other side and actuates the bolt release. IOW, it cannot be modified to use the A-DAC feature without giving up the rh bolt release. |
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