Warning

 

Close
Confirm Action

Are you sure you wish to do this?

Cancel Confirm
AR15.COM
AR Sponsor
3/30/2008 8:55:40 AM EDT
This has probably been asked a thousand times before, and I apologize in advance. But a local guy has a Bushmaster A-2 16-inch with the standard 1:9 chrome barrel in nearly new shape for $700. I'm thinking this isn't a bad price for a first AR. What kind of accuracy could I expect from this rifle with a decent handload? Is it capable of less than MOA? If not, are any of the lower-end S&Ws capable of MOA or less (considering the rebate). Thanks, guys.
3/30/2008 9:04:36 AM EDT
[#1]
Generally, you can expect 1.5 to 3.0 MOA from a mass produced factory barrel.  Bushmaster has high standards for its barrels.  Getting sub-MOA in a mass produced, chrome lined barrel is not unheard of, but it is not common.  The S&W rifles are made by CMT, and still used mass produced barrels, thus the same expected accuracy.  S&W was going to offer AR from its performance center, but, to my knowledge, have not hit the market.  Now, those barrels were made by a high end barrel maker, Lothar Walther and would have shot sub-MOA.  Mine do.

Let the hailstorm begin.
3/30/2008 9:14:00 AM EDT
[#2]
The big thing is do you want A2 when there's so much going on with flat-tops?

The 16" carbine barrel was not designed to be a target barrel to shoot sub-moa. They are acceptably accurate in the right hands.
3/30/2008 9:17:13 AM EDT
[#3]

Quoted:
Generally, you can expect 1.5 to 3.0 MOA from a mass produced factory barrel.  


+1

while having a dedicated sure firing handload might get you sub MOA, i would not count on it--those bbls just werent built up to approach sub-MOA

if you want sub-MOA, get a bbl that was made to get sub-MOA
3/30/2008 9:49:32 AM EDT
[#4]
The other thing to consider is why is a nearly new gun for sale?  
3/30/2008 10:37:51 AM EDT
[#5]
The Bushmaster I bought BRAND NEW could shoot MOA at 100 yards with Match Grade ammo like 69gr SMK

just depends on how many rounds I shoot in a group (5rd groups)


Most Brand new AR15`s SHOULD shoot 1MOA or CLOSE



I  NEVER BUY USED WEAPONS !! I rather do without and save.
3/30/2008 11:26:47 AM EDT
[#6]
S&W has released the Performance Center AR..it's the M&P 15PC-1.
I have one and its a tackdriver with Match Ammo.
It definitely likes the heaver buletts, 75 gr works best in mine.
3/30/2008 2:01:58 PM EDT
[#7]
Thanks, gentlemen. I should probably just sit back, lurk, soak up more AR15 wisdom here and wait to build an A3 with  a good barrel and trigger. Just figured that perhaps having any affordable AR would be better than having none.
3/30/2008 2:27:55 PM EDT
[#8]
For the kind of crazy money they are asking, I would expect only sub-MOA.

Edited to add S&W's link:
www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=11101&storeId=10001&categoryId=15714&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=15701&top_category=15701

$1841-$2173, and it doesn't even come with a test target?
3/30/2008 3:06:24 PM EDT
[#9]
Model M&P15PC Rifle
SKU: 170293
$2,173.00

This rifle was priced at $1599 at Cabela's.  I think it qualified for the recent $100 rebate too.
3/30/2008 3:26:57 PM EDT
[#10]
That is more reasonable.
3/30/2008 4:05:59 PM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:
Thanks, gentlemen. I should probably just sit back, lurk, soak up more AR15 wisdom here and wait to build an A3 with  a good barrel and trigger. Just figured that perhaps having any affordable AR would be better than having none.




That rifle would be fine for your first AR. You can always get a different upper.

Unless it has the AK brake.
3/30/2008 5:09:47 PM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:
For the kind of crazy money they are asking, I would expect only sub-MOA.

Edited to add S&W's link:
www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=11101&storeId=10001&categoryId=15714&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=15701&top_category=15701

$1841-$2173, and it doesn't even come with a test target?


For that kind of money ADCO, GTS, or MSTN would be willing to build you a gun and gurantee sub-MOA accuracy with a given factory load, with test targets to prove it.
3/30/2008 5:19:27 PM EDT
[#13]
All our uppers come with a test target proving sub-MOA accuracy.
AR Sponsor