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Posted: 3/22/2009 2:37:19 PM EDT
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Just checked the Aim website for ANY .223/5.56mm ammo and it's not even listed...not a good sign. They are currently selling Russian suplus 5.45 x 39 ammo at $149/1080 rounds. Makes you wish you had an AK-74. Heck you could even buy one with the difference of what they are getting for a similar quantity of .223/5.56 ammo, that is if you could ever find any.
So here's the question...with component cost about the same for the 5.45 x 39 ammo and .223, how can the Ruskies and Aim sell the 5.45mm stuff for only $149 and want over $300 for wolf .223? I realize that the old 5.45 ammo might have been replaced with a different round (52-gr vs 60-gr) and they want to dump the old stock, but still, this is dirt cheap and makes you wonder how this ammo game is really played? There seems to be a lot of BS and price manipulation going on here boys, but tell me something new. The range where I went shooting yesterday had the balls to be asking $9 a box of 20 for basic woof .223/55-gr MC ammo. The thing is, people were buying it as fast as possible. What a bunch of BS. |
| Cause the 5.45 is usually from the 70's, when it was being produced for the cold war effort. They have piles of the stuff. I'd hate to think of how much of it they have. But it makes it easy to sell off surplus ammo to companies like AIM. The russians never made 5.56 for a war effort, so what they make is for the US market. I guess they may have made some 5.56 threw out the years, but nothing in any numbers. |
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" Makes you wish you had an AK-74." Many of us already do, or have had for a long time. And stocked up on 5.45mm when it was 11 cents a round, mags five bucks a pop. I well remember alot of AR folks poo-pooing the SAR2/Cugir MKII when they first came out. Actually you can get a 5.45 upper for the AR's  . Two companies make them, S&W is one of them. I think AIM sells them.
I have heard from a friend of mine that spends alot of time in here. Im new to this stuff, that it is a great little bullet. Does alot of damage kind of like 5.56, small but evil 
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| Heck, I considered buying a 5.45 S&W upper just to get some of that cheap ammo (it would have paid for itself after only 2,000 rounds), but AIM was out of stock. Widener's and Palmetto State's .223/5.56mm prices are some of the best too. Looks like Widener's is the only place that has this stuff for now and it's not too much. Wonder what will happen when this small supply runs out...really no one seems to have any of this .223/5.56mm stuff anywhere. Should make for some VERY interesting theater in the upcoming weeks as most of us come out of winter hibernation, go to the range a few times and suddenly realize that the only folks that have ammo are secondary aftermarket sellers looking to make some BIG profit on ammo purchased a long time ago. Hard to imagine that the manufacturers are that far behind in their supply chain that there is NO ammo around anywhere. Could this be a momentary industry pause to boost the future price paradigm? Just blame it on the "white" house. Hmmm, makes you wonder. |
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The reason 5.56 is so expensive is because we keep stocking up on it, supply don't have a chance to come close to meet demand. In the past few months people whom normally buy what they use only, and extra when it is "on sale", are buying thousands of rounds at a time. The reason is entirely political. Some people think that when the economy gets fixed that our government (mainly Obama) is going to pass another AWB and tax the hell out of ammo. I too believe they will try it. So folks are buying as much as they can, acting like there is no tomarrow.
Bottom line..... If we want ammo prices to go down WE need to stop buying it. Trust me, we need lower prices more than we need to have thousands of rounds of ammo with thousands more coming, all of which overpriced. Look at how fast gas prives dropped since there isn't any more shortages. We all cut our use of fuels and WOW look at how the prices dropped. Just look at this example on Sportsman Guide. Lake City ss109 M855 62 grain ammo for $835.97 per 1000 if you have a buyers club. They normally have good prices too but I'm sorry, that is BS. I simply just said I won't buy at these prices, and I hope others follow my path. There are options like reloading if you need to shoot 1k rounds a week. Too bad there are so many out there willing to pay almost a dollar per bullet just to have a stockpile. I'm a firm believer that IF Obama could pull off anything against our cause, it won't be for a long time. He acts too soon and it will all backfire. We all know he is going to try, but he is going to wait for the economy to get better so no one will notice the loss of jobs he creates by a ban. Then he will of course wait till some act of violence happens to gain support of the nation so he can protect us all by disarming us. Again, if we all stop buying ammo, what do you think Federal would do to pay thier bills that month if they had no orders to fill, no money coming in..... |
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The reason 5.56 is so expensive is because we keep stocking up on it, supply don't have a chance to come close to meet demand. In the past few months people whom normally buy what they use only, and extra when it is "on sale", are buying thousands of rounds at a time. The reason is entirely political. Some people think that when the economy gets fixed that our government (mainly Obama) is going to pass another AWB and tax the hell out of ammo. I too believe they will try it. So folks are buying as much as they can, acting like there is no tomarrow. Bottom line..... If we want ammo prices to go down WE need to stop buying it. Trust me, we need lower prices more than we need to have thousands of rounds of ammo with thousands more coming, all of which overpriced. Look at how fast gas prives dropped since there isn't any more shortages. We all cut our use of fuels and WOW look at how the prices dropped. Just look at this example on Sportsman Guide. Lake City ss109 M855 62 grain ammo for $835.97 per 1000 if you have a buyers club. They normally have good prices too but I'm sorry, that is BS. I simply just said I won't buy at these prices, and I hope others follow my path. There are options like reloading if you need to shoot 1k rounds a week. Too bad there are so many out there willing to pay almost a dollar per bullet just to have a stockpile. I'm a firm believer that IF Obama could pull off anything against our cause, it won't be for a long time. He acts too soon and it will all backfire. We all know he is going to try, but he is going to wait for the economy to get better so no one will notice the loss of jobs he creates by a ban. Then he will of course wait till some act of violence happens to gain support of the nation so he can protect us all by disarming us. Again, if we all stop buying ammo, what do you think Federal would do to pay thier bills that month if they had no orders to fill, no money coming in..... I agree with what you're saying, in principal at least. But I have to admit that if I were a newcomer to this whole thing and just bought my first AR "just in case things get ugly", I'd also do whatever I needed to do to get a respectable stockpile of ammo stashed away and I wouldn't quit buying until I at least had a couple thousand rounds under my belt. Now consider that there are tens of THOUSANDS of people out there in exactly this position and it pretty much makes an ammo shortage inevitable. I think the buying will gradually slow down, but only after those same people have aquired enough ammo to feel a little more comfortable and better prepared. Don't get me wrong, I know there are some true "ammo whores" out there who will never feel like they have enough, but the vast majority of folks will probably settle down a lot after they get a somewhat respectable supply. |
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