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10/10/2009 10:27:31 AM EDT
I am relatively new to the site so please excuse any SOP errors while I get a feel for the lay of the land....

I have been doing a fair share of reading about AR triggers (factory, drop in, modifications, etc) which has been very educational but at the same time has also brought about some questions.
From the reading I find this site to have the most opinionated (and I mean that in a good way) and educated people at all levels so I thought I would stop just reading and jump in to posting some questions and hope for the best response.

Just so everyone knows MY experience level...may be helpful for your responses, I have "assembled" 7 AR's of various configuration, do A LOT of custom firearm finishes (fell in love with DuraCoat) built from ground up (including hand laid stocks and lots of trigger work) on a number of 10/22's while on my way to getting hooked, yes hooked on the AR platform....but I have never played with any AR trigger work because of all the "warnings" not to and because up this point my shooting of the AR kept the stock trigger within the envelope of my needs.

Ok I guess that was a little much to get to the reason I am here....the questions sooooooo

It seems with the AR platform you have 3 options when it comes to the trigger group (1) stock (2) aftermarket drop in and (3) modifications of the stock trigger group. The first two are pretty straight forward but the 3rd has some "gray area" from trial and error. there seems to be no "standards" when it comes to modification of a stock trigger. The closest I can come to finding a "standard" is in the work performed by Bill Springfield, which sounds like a great way to go (any opinions from people who have actually been there?)

I have read about the "bend the spring" tricks, it also sounds like the JP "yellows" are good for some things (trigger spring) but not necessarily the hammer spring, there is the bobbed hammer in an effort to reduce lock time, and polishing the group contact surfaces (no stoning) and of course everyone seems to have various degrees of success and as always different opinions on if any of this is even warranted in the first place. From looking at all of the modifications people have done, it seem the most consistent answer is use the JP yellow trigger spring only, bob the hammer and call it a day.

I am planning on taking a stock trigger group and making modifications (no geometry changes) one step at a time and testing between steps to see where this gets me. I am sure it will lead me in the down the path that Bill has obviously already traveled. I was wondering if anyone could offer some suggestions on what changes should be made, how to make them and in which order? I have my own ideas but I would like to see what others think...possibly the thought will be this is just a waste of time lol.

In the end I am sure I will end up with a Geissele SSA because that sounds like the closest thing on the market to what I am after but being an engineer I would like to go down the above path first.

One last question regarding bobbing of the hammer...when I get to that point in the modifications, I would like to test various degrees of material removal, any thoughts on this?

Well thanks for your patience with a site newbie and I look forward to everyone replies.

10/11/2009 9:22:12 PM EDT
[#1]
Sorry I am not much help on doing trigger work yourself but I will offer the following:  I have a couple of Bill Springfields  ( great for the price), 2 rock rivers, 2  Timneys, and 3 Geissele DMR's  and I will say the sooner you get to the Geissele the better.
10/12/2009 11:36:53 AM EDT
[#2]
Do these gazelles have a web site?

Edit: Never mind. Found their site.
Do their triggers run like their site?


http://www.geissele.com/index.htm
10/12/2009 12:38:19 PM EDT
[#3]
Quoted:
Do these gazelles have a web site?

Edit: Never mind. Found their site.
Do their triggers run like their site?


http://www.geissele.com/index.htm


No, they spend their time making one of the best triggers available and not making a nice website...
10/12/2009 12:47:32 PM EDT
[#4]




Quoted:

Do these gazelles have a web site?



Edit: Never mind. Found their site.

Do their triggers run like their site?






http://www.geissele.com/index.htm





Once you get hold of a geissele trigger the last thing on your mind will be their website.



10/12/2009 12:57:55 PM EDT
[#5]
Quoted:
Do these gazelles have a web site?

Edit: Never mind. Found their site.
Do their triggers run like their site?


http://www.geissele.com/index.htm


Best trigger group made, who cares what their site looks like.
10/12/2009 1:10:47 PM EDT
[#6]
I will be going with the Geissele here in a month or two. I will buy it from RainierArms.com because they give you all 3 spring kits for free. So you get the Match, Service and DMR set ups.

http://www.rainierarms.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=455

Yea, $280 is pretty steep, but I think it will be well worth it.
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