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Posted: 7/4/2006 11:52:25 AM EDT
| I zeroed my ACOG with my 16" LMT this weeked, but I was wondering what you all would consider "average" accuracy for the Radway Green ammo at 100 yards. I was getting about 2" groups, maybe a little less because that was when the barrel was warm. I am just wondering, since I cant find anything else that will maintain zero out to 3 or 400 yards with the ACOG BDC. I dont want to fire one expensive round and lose the BDC, so any responses would help. I think I just have to keep in mind that this is intended to be a battle rifle, not a tack driver. |
I didn't really see a question in there. What is it you are wondering? Sub 2" groups is good for a service rifle that's not all free floated and etc, etc.. I'm not sure if that's your question. |
What he said. Can you hit what you are aiming at, while running, and being shot/shot at? That's what's really important. |
Yep. But being that this is my OWN rifle, I want to squeeze what I can out of the milsurp ammo I can get. It was just a general knowledge question to see what others have gotten, that is all. |
Unfortunately every rifle is different. I might get 4" inches MOA in mine and they guy next to me using the same exact ammo might get 1". Nothing is different except that his rifle loves it and mine is so so. The next brand might be completely oppesite. |
I must be dense or something but I can't really tell what you're getting at. It sounds to me like you're wanting to get really good accuracy with surplus ammo, with a rifle that the only upgrade is an ACOG. (which is obviosly a good upgrade) Most of the time, the two don't go together. I had a build that my dad has now that shot somewhere in the 1.25-1.5 moa with Q3131A ammo. Which is, of course, M193 spec ammo. But, it was free floated, wylde chambered, stainless steel, 16" mid length with a scope. Those groups were with a crappy colt single stage heavy trigger though. I probably could've done better with a better trigger. Now, I haven't a single clue about your rig except that you have an acog on it. Well, that should help. Are you wanting to know what upgrades to do to make it shoot better? Are you wanting to know what surplus ammo is the most accurate? I've shot my bone stock Colt A2 (20"er) quite a bit and the best I can get it to do scoped, with the black hills 52's is 1.5 MOA pretty regularly. It shoots the 68's and 77's a little bigger like 1.75-2. It has never shot any surplus ammo well at all. But the only two I've tried is Q3131A and adcom M855. Like the other guy said, every rifle is different and prefers different ammo. My colt that shoots the black hills pretty well shoots adcom M855 at about 4-5 moa. Stinky. Bottom line is in my opinion, if you're getting under 2" or right around there, with a rifle that is not all duded up, that's about as good as it gets. There may be a few freaks on here that have a combination of service type rifle / surplus ammo that get it to group 1" or so, but I say that's probably not the norm. And actually if someone claimed it, I wouldn't believe it unless I saw it with my own eyes. Now, if you free float it, have a nice barrel, have nice glass, set at a proper height, and match ammo, an AR can be scary accurate. Just my 15 cents |
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I have put IMI/TZZ, LC, WCC and SA, all SURPLUS, through a 20" A2 and a 14.5" M4, and it is my opinion that SURPLUS ammo is only good for plinking and war, as the accuracy is much looser than PREMIUM ammo like TAP or handloads. If you want accuracy, you will need to take up reloading or spend the $$$ for premium match ammo. A few days ago, with my 14.5" M4, I added a Harris bipod to the FF railed handguard and went to the range to test some handloads and surplus. My 77g. Sierra MK's with 22.0g of Rx-15 powder where giving me 1.5" groups at 100 yards using just an Aimpoint red dot, no magnification. At 25 yards the groups were less than a quarter in diameter. In my book, that is DARN ACCURATE, and would have been better with a real scope... even an ACOG even. But the IMI M193, IMI M855 and Federal XM193 had groups averaging about 4"~5" at 100 with occasional flyers. Good enough for plinking and war, but my self-defense ammo is handloads... Rmpl 
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| ok, thanks. That is what I expected to hear. It is a 16" LMT upper, FF Daniel Defense handguards, chrome bore and that is it. Everything else is LMT stock on the upper, and the lower is Fulton Armory and the standard CMT trigger. I am getting 2-3" groups, so that is ok for surplus ammo then. Just wanted to make sure everyone else is getting about the same. |
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