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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - BCM Upper question (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 3/30/2012 5:22:16 PM EDT
I was looking at BCM uppers, and I saw that some of them did not have hand guards. Do they come with out them, so you can add your own hand guards? Would it be worth it to save the extra money and get a BCM upper and add the BCG and charging handle later, in stead of getting a PSA upper? How do PSA and BCM uppers compare? I'm just trying to cover the bases, because this will be my only AR for about 3 years. Here is a picture, hope it works.http://a248.e.akamai.net/origin-cdn.volusion.com/j4enh.r2en5/v/vspfiles/photos/BCM-URG-M4-14%20A2X-2.jpg
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Could you still answer my questions? Thanks
| Ditto, the BCM uppers don't come with handguards, BCGs or CH. That said, they're still a great deal for the quality (equal to Colt IMHO and I'm a Colt lover with 7 Ponies), I have 2 complete BCM rifles and 3 others with BCM uppers. I have one PSA upper on a JD machine lower. Can't beat BCM |
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Thanks for the information. How do BCM and PSA compare in quality? Would it be worth the extra money for the BCM upper???? I feel PSA and BCM are close from what I have read. I have never owned a PSA but a friend has one and its smooth accurate and shot great. My BCM did to I still say BCM is the one for me. they have a name that people know for quality. |
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I've never owned a PSA upper but own two BCM uppers. They are top notch. Read the specs for details. I put myBCM uppers up there with my LMT upper. You can always add handgards to you order. +1 Pat Rogers seems to like the BCM uppers They have been here a long time now and I haven't heard anything bad about them. I tend to buy my weapons from manufactures with a good track record. |
BCM is top-notch quality, and I would not hesitate to buy one. PSA has come a long way recently, but they are still a growing company. I believe there is a thread around here about a batch of their uppers that were shipped WITH THE WRONG LENGTH gas tubes...  ... They have since fixed this 'minor' issue, but the fact remains that these uppers were clearly not test fired (properly) at the facility. The manufacturing may be up to spec with BCM, but the quality control is the difference between the two companies.
ETA: The gas tubes were the wrong length for the barrel, i.e. carbine tubes on a midlength upper. The tubes were not missing as I originally thought. |
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BCM > PSA
It's great BCM does't ship with handguards, gives you the option of putting exactly what you want on there from the get go instead of taking off the plastic guards and throwing them in the box or giving them away. I like being able to pick out my BCG too. Not all are created equal. That said I have heard good things about PSA, but having had great experience with BCM I'll not stray, |
I didn't think that it would be this hard to decide on an upper I think that I will probably go with BCM. I will keep you updated on my AR build. I will be getting my PSA stripped lower some time this next week, and It will probably get done in April and then I get to save for the upper
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Would the middy work better with wolf, silver bear, etc. then a Carbine system? Is it true that the Carbine system puts more stress on the BCG and makes it wear out faster? I know these are stupid question I would appreciate your input on this. Because after I get my lower built, I will start saving for/ buying parts for the upper. Thanks
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You sound like me only about 2 short years ago. I had no idea what to do, you'll find two different answers on virtually any question you can think of so I'll just give you some options. Companies like BCM, Daniel Defense, Noveske, LMT, Spikes Tactical, Larue Tactical, etc. will all work fine. You can even go to places like Rainier Arms and pick and choose components and they will put it together for you. There are standard barrels, hammer forged barrels, stainless barrels. Hammer forged is supposed to last longer, stainless more accurate but shorter barrel life. However, I feel for civilian use, stainless will last plenty long.
I have a 14.5 pinned carbine length barrel but you better like the muzzle device or you will regret it, fortunately I knew what I wanted. Then there are things like nickel boron coated BCG's vs standard phosphated BCG, or even hard chrome plated. Do you want a standard front sight block or a low profile gas block? Do you want free float handguards or standard? Personally I don't thiink it matters, either you can shoot or you can't, you're not going to free float your way to the bullseye. For your last question I think middy for 16 and carbine for 14.5. Your gun should be able to shoot russian ammo. I would check out some of the spikes tactical uppers on aimsurplus. My gun is an LMT that I bought from rainier arms and had them pin the muzzle device but I think those spikes uppers on aimsurplus are definitely worth a look if you didn't already know about them. http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=XSTU9560 sold out at the moment but worth a look. Take your time and have fun. |
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BCM - buy once cry once - worth every penny
http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l488/AR15JoeL/55a07a03.jpg the one on top is that a midlenght standerd with rail? looks nice. |
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I want a standard front sight and standard hand guards, and I will add stuff to it when I have the money. It will probably be a 16 in middy with an A2 flash hider, that I will probably replace with a Phantom flash hider after I get it. It will probably be a kiss gun. Will a standard fort sight cause a problem if you use a scope? I'll probably give you more details latter tonight. Thanks for the info
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BCM - buy once cry once - worth every penny
http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l488/AR15JoeL/55a07a03.jpg the one on top is that a midlenght standerd with rail? looks nice. Correct mid length - zero issues I own 20", mid, 2x car length |
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I think I'm sold on BCM now. Here are the last details on what I want on my upper. Magpul MBUS rear sight,and is it worth the extra money to get the gunfighter charging handle over the standard one? It would be a while until I could get a decent scope, so would the Magpul sight work good enough until i get a scope? Thanks.
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I think I'm sold on BCM now. Here are the last details on what I want on my upper. Magpul MBUS rear sight,and is it worth the extra money to get the gunfighter charging handle over the standard one? It would be a while until I could get a decent scope, so would the Magpul sight work good enough until i get a scope? Thanks.
Yes The gunfighter charging handle is SOLID & well made. |
| OP after 6000+ rounds on my bcm, which I have run very hard through carbine classes and in the desert and my normal range time. I have shot various types and different grains of ammo and it's run like a champ. I have no experience with PSA. Their price point is nice, but I wanted a proven upper for my 1st build and I've been happy since. Get what you want, but if you choose BCM, you won't regret it. Good luck and enjoy. |
| Thanks for all of the information. I am going to go with a BCM upper. It will most likely be a 16'' mid-length, because I don't that the CAR length has any advantages over the middy, from what I have read. It will have a standard front sight, will that get in the way of using a scope? |
| Quality wise as far as parts go are about the same. BCM probably offers a slightly better bolt and carrier tho. Customer service at both is good. Its not so much those things as they are pretty equal now. It is the quality of the assembly of the parts. Basically put the guys at BCM are better at putting ar's together and doing right the first time. But PSA is quickly gaining in that area it seems. I wouldnt hesitate to buy either IMHO. I would thouroghly inspect the PSA before use tho. It is still my opinion that spikes is a better buy then either. And if i was going to shell out the cash, i would buy Colt vs. BCM. |
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Thanks for the info everyone. Is it me, or is it hard to decide what you want on your first AR .I will probably get a BCM upper, but I have a couple other ideas, here's one, get a PSA upper and then add the BCG and a gun fighter charging handle from BCM. I should have my lower done by the end of this month, then it will be time to get my upper
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For my only AR I chose a BCM mid-length, BCM BCG, and charging handle. There was a slight discount for buying everything all at once. I am not sure if they still do or not(this was two years ago). I got some cheap-o RRA handguards that fit rather sloppy. I replaced them with Magpul MOE which fit much better. As far as the upper is concerned: It has been failure free with about 1k through. I haven't really done any accuracy shooting but I was able to get 1-1.5" groups with XTAC M855 at 50m while zeroing the rifle. |
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Thanks for the info everyone. Is it me, or is it hard to decide what you want on your first AR .I will probably get a BCM upper, but I have a couple other ideas, here's one, get a PSA upper and then add the BCG and a gun fighter charging handle from BCM. I should have my lower done by the end of this month, then it will be time to get my upperWhy are you so compelled to get a gun fighter charging handle? There is nothing wrong with the standard handle. Spend more on ammo and get the gun fighter down the road when you feel that you really need one. |
| The reason why I am thinking about getting a gunfighter charging handle, is that I will be using my rifle when it is cold out side, and I think it would help to have the bigger latch when wearing gloves. But because summer is almost here, I will probably get it when winter rolls around again. What gas system would you suggest on a 16" upper? |
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Having both, (several BCM, one complete PSA and a few PSA combo rifles), I like both but I haven't run the PSA long and hard like my BCMs to feel comfortable making a solid apples to apples assessment. My gut feeling is to slightly lean towards the BCM in this instance for your first AR, just from a 100% confidence in my BCMs standpoint.
I'm sure at some point I'll have that same confidence in PSA. I just don't have the usage to back it up right now. Both companies have great service from what I've seen though. |
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No company is perfect, including BCM see this thread (scroll to rhaney02's post).
I honestly don't think you could go wrong with either PSA or BCM. PSA offers their product for a good chunk less, so that's the way I'd go. That said, I'd still get the BCM gunfighter charging handle, which I did. And another advantage for a mid-length over a carbine (if you're using a standard FSB) is longer sight radius and longer reach on the handguards (this one is dependent on how you shoot). |
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Quoted: What are the advantages of having a Mid-length system over CAR system. I know one is softer recoil, but what are some other advantages ? No one has been able to provide any hard evidence, but the theory is the mid-length puts less strain and wear on parts due to it's alleged softer cycle. Again, this has not been proven and is a constant source of debate. Mid-lengths DO provide more grip/handguard space and a slightly further sight radius. |
| So I won't have to worry about over gassing a 16" barrel with a CAR system. And if I do get a CAR system is there any extra thing that I would have to add to the BCG. Better extractor spring, O-ring, ect. For people who have PSA or BCM uppers, how many rounds do you have through your upper. Thanks |
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So I won't have to worry about over gassing a 16" barrel with a CAR system. And if I do get a CAR system is there any extra thing that I would have to add to the BCG. Better extractor spring, O-ring, ect. For people who have PSA or BCM uppers, how many rounds do you have through your upper. Thanks My BCM mid. Close to 2000. BCM car 1000 Other two BCM under 500 |
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