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Posted: 12/14/2008 1:09:09 PM EDT
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One of the things I lack on my m4gery is a good BUIS. I'm leaning towards the LMT BUIS that normally goes on the defender 2000.
But of course, there are other options. A folding BUIS would be nice since I'm looking at optics, like the eotech, acog, or aimpoint. And the m4 stock sucks for cheekweld. One more thing to add to the list. |
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A folding BUIS would be nice since I'm looking at optics, like the eotech, acog, or aimpoint. The GG&G mad sight is the lowest flip sight there is. The different size apatures are nice and the new ones can be set for different disatances. And the m4 stock sucks for cheekweld. One more thing to add to the list. CAA stock saddle is a nice piece of kit and a bargin at about $20 If you want a floding BUIS the GG&G MAD is a great choice they are low enough to fit under a telescopic scope on high rings, and hold zero well. |
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Fixed - LaRue Folding - Troy This. And you can see 'em both HERE |
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I love my Yankee Hill BUIS. They are just as good as the other from my expierence and about half the cost. I would agree. Not as nice to look at as some other companies offerings, and not as cool, but most YHM will work just as well for much less cost. |
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Larue for fixed and Troy for folding. They are BUIS, not NM iron sights. BSW This^ I just ordered another Larue sunday night to finish a build. Got shiping confirmation yesterday 3lbs holy hell must be something in the box other than a buis 
You can bet on that. 
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For dozen or so posters above who recommended folding Troy sight: on basis of what experience beyond attaching and folding it down behind your optic do you recommend this sight? 1) Easy to deploy. 2) Locks in the up position. 3) Windage requires tool (bullet tip) to adjust. BUIS are (for me) set it and forget it devices. 4) Robust construction. 5) Damn flat when folded. 6) No problems with retained zero. The Troy costs more, but it's a quality piece of kit. BSW |
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For dozen or so posters above who recommended folding Troy sight: on basis of what experience beyond attaching and folding it down behind your optic do you recommend this sight? 1) Easy to deploy. 2) Locks in the up position. 3) Windage requires tool (bullet tip) to adjust. BUIS are (for me) set it and forget it devices. 4) Robust construction. 5) Damn flat when folded. 6) No problems with retained zero. The Troy costs more, but it's a quality piece of kit. BSW I agree with what you listed - I own a set of Troy sights - but these are design features; my question was about actual operational experience with using them in training or something more serious than training. What I mean by using is shooting, reloading, slinging, transitioning, clearing malfunctions of the rifle/carbine for any reasonable period of time with Troy sights as primary sighting device. What I don't mean by using is attaching them, sighting them, and then folding them behind your primary optic device. |
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OTOH, I was using a ML3 Aimpoint as my primary so I never needed the Troy. BSW I believe this is the case for most shooters. The irons are never used because optics rarely fails. And this is the reason why I asked this question. I went through a pistol/carbine class with Troy sights only earlier this year. On both training days when carbine was utilized the aperture selector would get knocked out of position during rifle handling. I'd get my carbine up expecting to see a nice round aperture, and I'd see selector being in "middle-man" position between large and small apertures. Not fun. I thought that my sight was defective, but, after examining several others, I didn't notice any difference in how tightly the aperture selector is held in position. I am nobody in the world of firearms and shooting, and my opinion shouldn't really matter. This is just a description of my experience, sample size of 1. |
| I ran my Troy for a couple months between optics and did not have the problem you mentioned. I have nnoticed with the different Troys I have used they have varied over time. Differences in aperatures, pins, mounts, etc over time. I never had my aperature come loose... then again perhaps you had some itteration of the Troy that was different than mine. |
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I've noticed that everyone attaches the front Troy sight the same, but the back varies from gun to gun. For the back sight (Troy), which direction should the logo be facing (towards the stock or towards the barrel?
You're right, you do get a lot of little goodies with LaRue purchases. I have about 8 bottle openers, they make cool little gifts to people. Edit: Nevermind, there is really only one way for the back sight to go and still fold down all the way. |
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I ran my Troy for a couple months between optics and did not have the problem you mentioned. I have nnoticed with the different Troys I have used they have varied over time. Differences in aperatures, pins, mounts, etc over time. I never had my aperature come loose... then again perhaps you had some itteration of the Troy that was different than mine. That's quite possible. Another thing to consider is this: I had them on my rifle (standalone, no optics) from summer of 2007 till February 2008. During that time, when carbine was only used on static public range or handled administratively, I didn't have that problem. It only surfaced during the class, where we did all those things that are supposed to be done in carbine class. I am sure there was a lot more rubbing against gear, commotion etc. Whether it is a problem with sight, or something else, is not as important as obvious conclusion: back-up sights, even though they are just back-up, should be tested by user just like the rest of the gear. And, as I alluded to above, testing should not be limited to bolting them to the rifle and forgetting about them behind the primary optic sight. |
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I got an LMT.
Bad news? It is getting here AFTER monday, probably right before Christmas. My BCG gets here monday, which means the entire rifle will be shootable, but not aimable 
Now I need to figure out what Optic I should get (Eotech or aimpoint), then a rail, or maybe concentrate on getting some more ammo. |
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