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Posted: 3/25/2009 6:06:57 PM EDT
| Just wondering if anyone can recommend a good recoil buffer? I just picked up a new compensator...so I presume this should be my next step to improve the performance a little? Thanks! |
| Ok...so i have been doing a bunch of research on the mechanical MGI and the hydraulic Enedine....I would prefer spending $90 over $165 obviously, but what would someone out there with experience recommend? I am shooting a RR A4 20", I would really appreciate some advice...thanks! |
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I use the enindine 223 carbine version in a rifle length tube with a spacer I make in a 16" POF recon and 17" rifle gas with good results.
I have a rifle length enindine but I don't know if it does anything since the spring perch is behind the hydraulic part and it feels like it's compressed all the time? I also bought the 308 versions(carbine 3.25" and stubby 2.5"???). The 308 carbine version is the same length as the 223 carb version only heavier in the body and less compression force. The stubby has me puzzled??? I have no idea what it's used in??? I'll probably end up making a spacer for it to be run in a rifle or carbine tube. Nick |
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The ST-T2 buffer is one of the best buffers on the market IMO. Agreed… Like the older Colt SMG buffers that were filled with lead shot. They worked great “like a dead blow hammer”, the only problem was over time the lead shot smashed itself into a solid slug and then you had to replace it. The ST-T2 uses loose tungsten instead of lead and it will last for ever… For around $40 bucks it outperforms everything else at twice the price…I have had the Enidine, the MGI and the AAC… The Olympic pneumatic buffer, the Slash “Q” Buffer and a host of “H” buffers… the ST-T2 outperformed them all in every weapon system that I used them with. Slowed the cyclic rate down significantly in FA and greatly reduced muzzle rise and felt recoil in all instances. If money was no object I’d still choose the ST-T2 over any other buffer… It’s the “softest” shooting buffer on the market in my opinion, I run one in all of my rifles…. 5.56, 9mm, 5.45 and my 6.8… best $40 I ever spent!!!! |
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I use an Enidine because my piston upper is sensitive to buffer weights. An MGI is not as good in my rifle but in a DI rifle there might be a small edge to the MGI but it would be very hard to notice aside from the MGI haveing less difficulty locking on the last round. Id like to try the Spike's buffer but I if it did not reduce recoil more I would be pretty unhappy about the waste of money and I am virtually certain it wont work with my LWRC anyway because of weight.
The shorty Enidine is designed to be used by a .308 with a .223 carbine stock used on the .308 receiver... like if you put a UBR on a AR10. The carrier is longer on the AR10 and the carbine tube for an AR10 is longer than the .223 tube so you need a shorter buffer to use .223 carbine stocks and tubes. |
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Id like to try the Spike's buffer but I if it did not reduce recoil more I would be pretty unhappy about the waste of money and I am virtually certain it wont work with my LWRC anyway because of weight. Enidine AR-Restor Hydraulic Recoil Buffer has a static weight of 4.25 oz. The Spikes ST-T2 buffer has a static weight of 4.2 - 4.3 oz. Almost exactly the same as far as weight goes, but its not the weight of the ST-T2 that does the job, it is the loose tungsten material inside (it is not a solid slug of tungsten – it is more like bird shot size pieces of tungsten material) The loose tungsten material absorbs and dissipates the energy that is transferred much more efficiently than any buffer that I have used and does so without any bounce. |
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So is the ST-T2 a carbine buffer or a rifle buffer? Or does it matter? Its a carbine buffer. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think it matters if you use it in a rifle tube as long as you use the poly spacer along with it. Yeah I didn't think of that. RRA actually sells a spacer that will work. |
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The whole reason for “compensating” buffers whether they are simply heavy buffers, or hydraulic buffers, or whatever is to compensate for the increase in the gas pressure going down the tube in carbine systems.
A carbine gas port is about 7” from the chamber and because of that the pressure is higher when the gas escapes into the gas block to the gas tube and into the bolt. This caused the bolt to slam back with much more force than in a standard 20” service rifle that has the gas port at about 12” forward of the chamber. This greater force caused exaggerated muzzle flip, felt recoil, bolt bounce… ECT. The ST-T2 smoothes out all of these symptoms dramatically. Now if it were to be used in an A2 buffer tube I would think that you would defiantly want to use on of the 9mm poly spacers to make sure that it didn’t allow the bolt to travel too far to the rear, but if you did set up an A2 that way I would bet that it would be one hell of a “soft” shootin’ rifle! |
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Id like to try the Spike's buffer but I if it did not reduce recoil more I would be pretty unhappy about the waste of money and I am virtually certain it wont work with my LWRC anyway because of weight. Enidine AR-Restor Hydraulic Recoil Buffer has a static weight of 4.25 oz. The Spikes ST-T2 buffer has a static weight of 4.2 - 4.3 oz. Almost exactly the same as far as weight goes, but its not the weight of the ST-T2 that does the job, it is the loose tungsten material inside (it is not a solid slug of tungsten – it is more like bird shot size pieces of tungsten material) The loose tungsten material absorbs and dissipates the energy that is transferred much more efficiently than any buffer that I have used and does so without any bounce. Well I am going to buy one... if it works as well I will keep it and sell the Enidine. I dont see how it could but we will find out. If I could have equal cyclic rate and feeling suppressed and unsuppressed to the Enidine without the extra pressure charging and the last round hold open concerns (opened my gas port to ensure reliability on last barrel) then it will be a winner. ITs only $40 an weighs the same as the Enidine... a no brainer to try. |
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Id like to try the Spike's buffer but I if it did not reduce recoil more I would be pretty unhappy about the waste of money and I am virtually certain it wont work with my LWRC anyway because of weight. Enidine AR-Restor Hydraulic Recoil Buffer has a static weight of 4.25 oz. The Spikes ST-T2 buffer has a static weight of 4.2 - 4.3 oz. Almost exactly the same as far as weight goes, but its not the weight of the ST-T2 that does the job, it is the loose tungsten material inside (it is not a solid slug of tungsten – it is more like bird shot size pieces of tungsten material) The loose tungsten material absorbs and dissipates the energy that is transferred much more efficiently than any buffer that I have used and does so without any bounce. Well I am going to buy one... if it works as well I will keep it and sell the Enidine. I dont see how it could but we will find out. If I could have equal cyclic rate and feeling suppressed and unsuppressed to the Enidine without the extra pressure charging and the last round hold open concerns (opened my gas port to ensure reliability on last barrel) then it will be a winner. ITs only $40 an weighs the same as the Enidine... a no brainer to try. Excellent, I'll try yours out before I buy one. 
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| I have used a bunch of different buffers including the vaunted Spikes. I prefered the feel of the Enidine in my 22" varmint rifle, but when I tried the Enidine in my 450Bushmaster it created a very distinctive sting to the cheek that could be felt to the core of your teeth, it was very uncomfortable to say the least. I didnt have a Spikes to try and couldnt find one in time for hunting season so I got a MGI and that worked very well. |
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