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Posted: 7/3/2005 6:05:20 PM EDT
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In the process of building my 6.5 Grendel, and want to know your opinions on what would be the best precision trigger to use in the lower? 1 stage or 2 stage? Jewell, Chip McCormick, RRA NM, or any others? I'm used to Tikka triggers (adjustable down to under 2 lbs.) and feel like single stage. |
| Single stage or two stage is a really personal choice. I enjoy the two stage trigger myself and have my Jewell set to about 12 ounces. The first stage is about 10 ounces and the last two ounces drops the hammer. It's a simple press of the trigger rather than a pull or a squeeze. |
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Do you find that the 2-stage helps on the precision shots? I assume that since you feel the slight resistance just before it disengages, you know its coming and have a small window of opportunity to make final adjustments? Any problem with installation or use of the Jewel? |
Why on earth is that the only way to go. Tons of good triggers availabe. A guy in our rifle club has a Jewell on his Varmint gun thats been back to them at least two times. He doesnt mess with it at all but they cant get it right. I havent been overly impressed. I realize this is just one trigger, but my saying not to use them because if this is as silly as someone else saying theirs is the only choice. |
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There are 3 triggers that I feel are worth the cost. 1)Milazzo-Krieger 2 stage. Out of production and very difficult to find. USA Marksmaship Unit loves these. Good luck finding one! 2) Knights SR-25 2 stage. sells for $325 has a distinct break and is an excellent trigger. http://quarterbore.com/kac/kac2stage.html for a complete description. I am actually selling one in the EE. There are next to impssible to find right now because all KAC makes is being sent to military for our active duty shooters in the sandbox. 3) brand new trigger that I feel will be the industry standard GEISSELE Hi Speed National Match. It has 50% quicker lock time and a reinforced I beam hammer. It has a short first stage with an exceptionally clean and sharp 2nd stage. USAMU is testing them for adoption across the course. I think this will be "THE" trigger for serious competition now. It is easily adjusted and will not readily change until you want it to. I am using one to shoot the P100 and NTI at Camp Perry this year. Cost $280. They have a service rifle amd Match rifle version. From your post, it seems you are wanting the Match version which is readily adustable down to .5 -1.5 lb. http://geissele.com If you are just wanting a clean single stage trigger using existing parts, I have been using Williams Trigger Specialties for adjusting the creep and let-off of my ARs for 15 years for my duty rifles and just 'grins and giggles' guns . They take an incredible amount of creep out and reduce the trigger pull to around 4-4.5lbs on all my trigger using existing parts and without messing with springs and bending them. Great benefit for any rifle since trigger control is one of the most important factors in accuracy. All my duty rifle and personal triggers get sent to Williams for adjustment. Excellent company that works on military triggers for all types of rifles. Basic work usually averages arond $70 for an AR. They also make set triggers for the AR platform. http://www.williamstriggers.com I am not particularly fond of the Jewell trigger - some love it. It is a less expensive route to go, but you may be getting what you pay for. There is a host of inconsistencies that have been found in Jewells. The other option is a Rock River. Probably the least expensive "comp" trigger. The only way to accept this one is to have John Holliger at White Oak Precision "tune" it and do his magic to it. http://www.whiteoakprecision.com/index.htm Just some thoughts garnered after spending lots of time and money getiing and using these triggers. I believe, for the money and for the best trigger, Geissele is the one to get. The inventor is an engineer and machinist and a hipower competitor. It appears that someone has finally taken all the kinks out of the equation and provided all the necessary attributes to the precision trigger. Alan |
If this is a Grendel, he is not shooting Service Rifle with it and therefore is not hamstrung with higher weights. My Jewell tirggers, in a Rem 700, a BR rifle, and the AR all function perfeclty, and always have. Just clean them occasionally with a little lighter fluid and they run like champs. I have a couple Holliger RRAs and they are not even comparable. Fine for a plinker, nothing more. Why does the guy not mess with it? They are pretty easy to adjust once you get the hang of it... Also, check out Brunos Shooter Supply, last time I looked they were $175... |
| I have purchased 2 KAC 2 stage triggers one for $250 one for $275. It is an excellent trigger. Cant say enough good about it. Best trigger I have ever tried in an AR15 and its super reliable. Only drawback is it ony has 2 pull weights which require swapping springs. 3.5# and 4.5# springs. I prefer the 3.5# spring and think its the perfect weight as it feels like a 1# trigger when Iam ready to let the round go. It helps a lot with allowing a deliberate shot with precision instead of having to have a "suprise" shot on a single stage. Installs in about 5 minutes with no tools and comes preset from the factory. |
He doesnt mess with it because he feels like his installing it himself may have been the reason it started going crazy. So he sent it back to them with his lower. They replaced it and sent it back. He figures the company installed this one so it should be golden. It wasnt and had to get sent back again. He got it back again, figuring the third ones the charm. No luck. The only thing the guy from Jewell has to offer as an explination was "this happens sometimes". I agree, it can happen, and am not bashing Jewell Triggers. I understand 100% that the above is just one example. Im just saying I believe its silly to think they are the only choice, or that they are the be all and end all to trigger upgrades. I have a Rock River, JP, McCormick and 2 Knight's triggers in my guns. Another guy in the club has a Jard. I agree the Rock River is not as nice as the rest, but it was also cheaper than the rest. Im just wondering with all these choices, why is the Jewell "the only way to go"? |
Sometimes the problem is the Lower and not the Jewell trigger. If that is the case, NO Jewell trigger will work. I have seen this many times with a FEW older COLT lowers and nearly ALL OLYMPIC ARMS lowers. OLY Arms does not put their hammer and trigger pin holes in the exact place (mil spec) and the Jewell is held to tight enough tolerances to not allow a jewell to operate properly in a OLY Arms lower. FM |
Easy enough to see if it is the lower. Take the Jewell out of his RRA and put in into another lower for a while. See if that fixes the problem. FM |
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I have been using a WOA "tuned" RRA 2 stage for over a year now on my varminter rig. I am totally happy with this trigger. THe price was good and I installed itmyself if about 10 minutes..Never had a problem with it in about +2000 rounds. I have a custom rem 700 that has a jewel adjustable in it and I love that trigger as well. However, I think for me and my needs (prairie dogs, paper, and the occassional zombie shapped target preparing to attack) the a tuned RRA is the best decision. |
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I like the KAC triggers the best (I actually use the 4.5 lb spring, you can take it to the break 100 times without dropping the hammer), but for less money look a the LMT 2 stage. WES said he picked out the best one he had out of a group of LMT lowers with 2 stage triggers for me and I've been very pleased with it. It might be more than a RRA tuned model, but it has a pretty good track record with it's users. The only single stage I use is a LMT, it's smooth, consistant, and so far, not surprisingly, perfectly reliable. |
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