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6/11/2010 8:04:04 AM EDT
Which one for a new build?  I was thinking of getting the MOE LPK from palmetto with the SSA for a decent price but want some opinions first
6/11/2010 9:11:37 AM EDT
[#1]
Do you want to polish a turd, or buy a gem of a trigger  that was designed to be a good 2 stage trigger from the beginning?
6/11/2010 9:13:44 AM EDT
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Do you want to polish a turd, or buy a gem of a trigger  that was designed to be a good 2 stage trigger from the beginning?


I'll respectfully disagree here and say that I've been very impressed with Bill Springfield's work in the past.
6/11/2010 9:18:02 AM EDT
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Do you want to polish a turd, or buy a gem of a trigger  that was designed to be a good 2 stage trigger from the beginning?


hey now!  I bought a turd from you!  That said, I sent that turd to Bill and am still saving for the gem.

eta:  RIF.....I thought he was refering to the RRA
6/11/2010 9:36:58 AM EDT
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I do not have a Bill Springfield trigger, but I do have an SSA and it is awesome. I would say get the SSA. I've read that some people are having problems with his trigger lately.
6/11/2010 9:42:56 AM EDT
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bigbore, nothing like getting to the point, eh?

My Springfield trigger went full auto on me after 2500 rounds, so I'm not crazy about the work; however, others have been more than satisfied.  I guess you could say that the Springfield triggers are hit and miss.  Making an apples to apples comparison (cost aside), the SSA is a far better trigger.  I'm not wild about two stage triggers, but if I had to choose between the two, it would be the SSA.  I also have a JP trigger.  Although I only got the trigger, and not the whole kit including the hammer, I was impressed with the end result.  The downside is that the JP requires fitting.  It comes with good instructions, but if you're uncomfortable with doing the fitting, I don't know of any other options.

Have you looked at the trigger being offered by Spike's Tactical?  I think it's around $50 and looks promising.
6/11/2010 9:45:40 AM EDT
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Personally I don't like 2 stage triggers.

If I wanted to go all out on an AR trigger, it would be the AR Gold drop in unit.  I had a chance to fire a few rounds with one and WOW.
6/11/2010 10:48:56 AM EDT
[#7]
No questions asked...

Get the SSA and be sound in the fact you own one of the world's greatest triggers
6/11/2010 11:46:52 AM EDT
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bigbore, nothing like getting to the point, eh?

My Springfield trigger went full auto on me after 2500 rounds, so I'm not crazy about the work; however, others have been more than satisfied.  I guess you could say that the Springfield triggers are hit and miss.  Making an apples to apples comparison (cost aside), the SSA is a far better trigger.  I'm not wild about two stage triggers, but if I had to choose between the two, it would be the SSA.  I also have a JP trigger.  Although I only got the trigger, and not the whole kit including the hammer, I was impressed with the end result.  The downside is that the JP requires fitting.  It comes with good instructions, but if you're uncomfortable with doing the fitting, I don't know of any other options.

Have you looked at the trigger being offered by Spike's Tactical?  I think it's around $50 and looks promising.


I'm looking at a Spikes instead of sending a single stage to BS as was originally planned. Not sure what the weight is on the trigger but hear they're real smeewth.

RRA a tur...

6/11/2010 1:01:28 PM EDT
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I Guess it depends on your pocketbook and where you shoot, There have been some very happy campers from the BS camp and then you have the 2000-2500 round FA problems. Where I shoot mostly, if one went FA on me I would say "honey hold my beer and hand me that 42rnd Mag"...but that's just me...J/K

Honestly I've had 2 BS trigger jobs both #4's and no problems at all, but I also have seen the questionable pics posted here and have to ask WTF??
6/11/2010 1:10:59 PM EDT
[#10]
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No questions asked...

Get the SSA and be sound in the fact you own one of the world's greatest triggers


+4 (the number of SSAs I own)
6/11/2010 1:16:20 PM EDT
[#11]
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No questions asked...

Get the SSA and be sound in the fact you own one of the world's greatest triggers


+4 (the number of SSAs I own)


...double the amt. I own, however do not let me catch you slipping....cause you can count on me trying to catch up
6/11/2010 1:32:38 PM EDT
[#12]

SSA.

6/11/2010 1:40:09 PM EDT
[#13]


My experience with Bill Springfield has all been positive and I will caveat that I have not run 2k rounds through my 6940 since installing his trigger package (the Colt parts are now my spares). The difference between stock and Bill's product are night and day. A crisp 4# trigger is a joy to pull. What he descibed on his site is exactly what I received for the Mini-14 and 100/22 trigger groups he reworked for me.



If I were to get multiple rounds discharged from Bill's trigger the first thing I would suspect with regards to error would be myself - i.e. bump fire.  I would appreciate those who have referred to his work resulting in full auto fire providing details of how the minimal changes he makes enable FA to occur. My understanding has been that FA (as opposed to bump firing) requires a sear designed for it. My suspicion is if it was a matter of polishing a.001" or so here and adding a bead of weld there - I would hear lots of FA fire out here in the boonies from yahoos that believe FA makes you a bada$$.



My $ 0.02, YMMV



Barliman

6/11/2010 2:52:29 PM EDT
[#14]
I have a RRA trigger that I had Bill work on for me and I love it, esp. considering that they didn't charge me for the 39$ Money Order.  I didn't use it very long until I ended up buying a SSA trigger.  The SSA trigger is far more superior.  If you don't care to dish about 170$ for a trigger then go with the SSA.  It is by far the most popular 2 stage trigger.
6/11/2010 3:48:26 PM EDT
[#15]
I have both and I am happy with both.  One must remember you are comparing and apple to an orange.  For $35 I don't know how you can say BS's work isn't worth every penny.  I've have 3 4# triggers from him and haven't had an issue.  Damn, that Geissele trigger sure is nice!!!!!!  I don't believe there is a better trigger available at any price, and I wouldn't have anything else in a precision rig.  Oh, and his customer service is great too!!!!
6/11/2010 3:51:03 PM EDT
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I Guess it depends on your pocketbook and where you shoot, There have been some very happy campers from the BS camp and then you have the 2000-2500 round FA problems. Where I shoot mostly, if one went FA on me I would say "honey hold my beer and hand me that 42rnd Mag"...but that's just me...J/K



6/11/2010 3:56:23 PM EDT
[#17]
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No questions asked...

Get the SSA and be sound in the fact you own one of the world's greatest triggers


+4 (the number of SSAs I own)


...double the amt. I own, however do not let me catch you slipping....cause you can count on me trying to catch up


6/11/2010 5:42:05 PM EDT
[#18]
Don't know about pocket books.  But I know about wallets.
For the cost Springfield's  been a good investment.

If you can use a 2 stage, SSA is a better choice
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6/11/2010 5:46:00 PM EDT
[#19]
If you're gonna bet your life on the gun, don't get a springfield.
6/11/2010 6:13:08 PM EDT
[#20]
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I have both and I am happy with both.  One must remember you are comparing and apple to an orange.  For $35 I don't know how you can say BS's work isn't worth every penny.  I've have 3 4# triggers from him and haven't had an issue.  Damn, that Geissele trigger sure is nice!!!!!!  I don't believe there is a better trigger available at any price, and I wouldn't have anything else in a precision rig.  Oh, and his customer service is great too!!!!


What lowers are you using? I called BS about one of his triggers and he said my commercial lower was out of spec with his milspec lower jig.
6/11/2010 6:23:58 PM EDT
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I have both and I am happy with both.  One must remember you are comparing and apple to an orange.  For $35 I don't know how you can say BS's work isn't worth every penny.  I've have 3 4# triggers from him and haven't had an issue.  Damn, that Geissele trigger sure is nice!!!!!!  I don't believe there is a better trigger available at any price, and I wouldn't have anything else in a precision rig.  Oh, and his customer service is great too!!!!


What lowers are you using? I called BS about one of his triggers and he said my commercial lower was out of spec with his milspec lower jig.

You first
458

6/11/2010 9:31:18 PM EDT
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I have both and I am happy with both.  One must remember you are comparing and apple to an orange.  For $35 I don't know how you can say BS's work isn't worth every penny.  I've have 3 4# triggers from him and haven't had an issue.  Damn, that Geissele trigger sure is nice!!!!!!  I don't believe there is a better trigger available at any price, and I wouldn't have anything else in a precision rig.  Oh, and his customer service is great too!!!!


What lowers are you using? I called BS about one of his triggers and he said my commercial lower was out of spec with his milspec lower jig.


He tried the same thing with me but had a really hard time explaining to me why a stock bushy trigger worked, an SSA worked, a DMR worked, and a few others in that same lower, and his didn't.  For shits, I tried his trigger in all my other lowers (I have 8 lowers) and the trigger did the same fucking thing in every one of them.

Like I said, the guy puts out unsafe triggers, and sooner or later someone is gonna get bit in the ass for it.
6/13/2010 9:35:30 AM EDT
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I have both and I am happy with both.  One must remember you are comparing and apple to an orange.  For $35 I don't know how you can say BS's work isn't worth every penny.  I've have 3 4# triggers from him and haven't had an issue.  Damn, that Geissele trigger sure is nice!!!!!!  I don't believe there is a better trigger available at any price, and I wouldn't have anything else in a precision rig.  Oh, and his customer service is great too!!!!


What lowers are you using? I called BS about one of his triggers and he said my commercial lower was out of spec with his milspec lower jig.

You first
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Bushmaster and Charles Daly.
6/13/2010 9:54:22 AM EDT
[#24]
The bill s and SSA is like apples to oranges.  I have had a bill s and got rid of it and bought and ssa.

Buy the SSA

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6/13/2010 10:08:46 AM EDT
[#25]
Hmm. I mentioned problems with my B.S. trigger job about 4 months ago and everyone said I was full of crap.

Guess Im not so full of it afterall.

The guy used to do good work, lately is just dremeled shit.
6/13/2010 5:38:01 PM EDT
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I have both and I am happy with both.  One must remember you are comparing and apple to an orange.  For $35 I don't know how you can say BS's work isn't worth every penny.  I've have 3 4# triggers from him and haven't had an issue.  Damn, that Geissele trigger sure is nice!!!!!!  I don't believe there is a better trigger available at any price, and I wouldn't have anything else in a precision rig.  Oh, and his customer service is great too!!!!


What lowers are you using? I called BS about one of his triggers and he said my commercial lower was out of spec with his milspec lower jig.

You first
458



Bushmaster and Charles Daly.

I don't shoot .22's like you, but I've had no issues.
Two Bushy's, two DPMS' and on a SNS that was only been function checked.
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6/14/2010 7:04:52 AM EDT
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I have both and I am happy with both.  One must remember you are comparing and apple to an orange.  For $35 I don't know how you can say BS's work isn't worth every penny.  I've have 3 4# triggers from him and haven't had an issue.  Damn, that Geissele trigger sure is nice!!!!!!  I don't believe there is a better trigger available at any price, and I wouldn't have anything else in a precision rig.  Oh, and his customer service is great too!!!!

What lowers are you using? I called BS about one of his triggers and he said my commercial lower was out of spec with his milspec lower jig.

You first
458

Bushmaster and Charles Daly.

I don't shoot .22's like you, but I've had no issues.
Two Bushy's, two DPMS' and on a SNS that was only been function checked.
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What does the upper or caliber have to do with what a malfunctioning FCG? It was the same FCG I used in the same lower and it worked fine (in .22 and 5.56) before I sent it to him. You are talking about an AR15 right?

ETA: Oh, and my problem with my FCG he worked on would release the hammer again after I pulled the trigger, cycled the bolt and then rode the trigger forward to reset it. It would not do it if I pulled the trigger, let it go and then cycle the bolt. At least that's how I do a function check.
6/14/2010 10:29:29 AM EDT
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SSA
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