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Posted: 1/8/2011 9:58:04 AM EDT
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So I bought a blue PMAG at a gun show today. It is still in the original packaging. The back of the package says MAG 436- UTM Blue. Does anyone have any information on this oddity. FWIW I paid $25. Did I get ripped off?
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UTM is Ultimate Training Munition. It is a brand of non-lethal force on force training munition that uses blue as a safety color. The cartridges themselves are the same size as regular cartridges. In order to fire UTM you either have to have a dedicated host weapon or a conversion barrel. Outside of legitimate LE/Mil training shooting each other with even non lethal training ammo is a very bad idea.
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Is the gray one in the middle of the pic UDE? Looks like foliage to me. I want a orange one!!! Yup, foliage green but it looks grey with my camera flash. I bought 3 orange ones on a whim now I wish I'd have cleaned them out. You never see orange or blue anymore. |
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Is the gray one in the middle of the pic UDE? Looks like foliage to me. I want a orange one!!! Yup, foliage green but it looks grey with my camera flash. I bought 3 orange ones on a whim now I wish I'd have cleaned them out. You never see orange or blue anymore. Maybe it's your flash/camera, but I thought the real orange pmags were more of a brighter, safety orange color - yours look like they are foliage, UDE, or FDE mags that were died orange... The blue mags are still available - just available to LE/mil directly - Joe civilian has to get them through the secondary market. |
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Is the gray one in the middle of the pic UDE? Looks like foliage to me. I want a orange one!!! Yup, foliage green but it looks grey with my camera flash. I bought 3 orange ones on a whim now I wish I'd have cleaned them out. You never see orange or blue anymore. Maybe it's your flash/camera, but I thought the real orange pmags were more of a brighter, safety orange color - yours look like they are foliage, UDE, or FDE mags that were died orange... The blue mags are still available - just available to LE/mil directly - Joe civilian has to get them through the secondary market. I bought these orange ones from DSG when they had them years ago. I have never seen another one in person and the pictures seem to have all sorts of different shades of orange. I took them out shooting a number of times and even broke the follower guide on one but it still works. |
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While I can't TELL you not to use blue magazine, I'd strongly suggest that you PLEASE don't use a blue magazine for anything other than blank or inert ammo.
Reason being is that DoD (and NATO) uses light blue color coding for training or inert ordnance. http://www.ordnance.org/color.htm It's a safety thing. |
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PS - it might not work, anyways...
http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/category/product-announcement/page/4/ Ultimate Training Munitions had prototypes of their new 5.56 training magazine on display today. The new mags feature a center channel that’s sized for the neck of their training rounds. UTM’s shorter, thinner tipped rounds will feed fine, but a live 5.56 round will be too big to fit past that center channel. So, if you see a blue magazine in a weapon you’ll know that it’s loaded with one of UTM’s three training rounds; marking round, silent blank, or loud blank. We weren’t familiar with UTM’s training system but got the rundown on their MMR (man marker rounds) and were impressed enough to get a full system demo. Check back for a GearScout video on their system when we get some range time under our earpro. |
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Quoted: it's for training with inert rounds (non-live ammo). do not use around peeps that know what the blue color stands for! you might just be in a load of trouble for it! kinda like blue training pistols in LE. What kind of trouble do you believe one would get in? |
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Quoted: well, it would kinda be like handing someone a loaded weapon, but assuring them it wasn't................but without saying so. ya know what i mean; blue mag = training/inert rounds. You said: "do not use around peeps that know what the blue color stands for! you might just be in a load of trouble for it!" Your implication is that is is somehow illegal to use a blue magazine with non-training ammunition- it is not.
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well, it would kinda be like handing someone a loaded weapon, but assuring them it wasn't................but without saying so. ya know what i mean; blue mag = training/inert rounds. You said: "do not use around peeps that know what the blue color stands for! you might just be in a load of trouble for it!" Your implication is that is is somehow illegal to use a blue magazine with non-training ammunition- it is not. I took it to mean you could gert kicked off the range by a "Safety Nazi". I have 2 orange windowed P-Mags...are they worth anything to a collector? |
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In order to fire UTM you either have to have a dedicated host weapon or a conversion barrel. Outside of legitimate LE/Mil training shooting each other with even non lethal training ammo is a very bad idea. Edit to add link Wrong. All you need is the bolt for an AR15. You can run UTM rounds through your standard work upper which is one of the HUGE benfits they have over other training rounds. Rick |
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In order to fire UTM you either have to have a dedicated host weapon or a conversion barrel. Outside of legitimate LE/Mil training shooting each other with even non lethal training ammo is a very bad idea. Edit to add link Wrong. All you need is the bolt for an AR15. You can run UTM rounds through your standard work upper which is one of the HUGE benfits they have over other training rounds. Rick Perhaps things have changed. The MMR (man marker round) that I am familiar with were all necked down. So your 9mm rounds looked a bit like .357 sig. Then again I did not train with any of the rifle caliber rounds. |
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In order to fire UTM you either have to have a dedicated host weapon or a conversion barrel. Outside of legitimate LE/Mil training shooting each other with even non lethal training ammo is a very bad idea. Edit to add link Wrong. All you need is the bolt for an AR15. You can run UTM rounds through your standard work upper which is one of the HUGE benfits they have over other training rounds. Rick Perhaps things have changed. The MMR (man marker round) that I am familiar with were all necked down. So your 9mm rounds looked a bit like .357 sig. Then again I did not train with any of the rifle caliber rounds. Yes, the new Simuniton rounds can be run with a standard upper, and all you have to change is the bolt. |
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While I can't TELL you not to use blue magazine, I'd strongly suggest that you PLEASE don't use a blue magazine for anything other than blank or inert ammo. Reason being is that DoD (and NATO) uses light blue color coding for training or inert ordnance. http://www.ordnance.org/color.htm It's a safety thing. WTF? BS fear mongering over a damn color. How many DoD and NATO personnel hang out at your ranges and so what if they did. What can they do if the happen to see you using a blue PMag? NOTHING. They are legal to use for any purpose. |
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While I can't TELL you not to use blue magazine, I'd strongly suggest that you PLEASE don't use a blue magazine for anything other than blank or inert ammo. Reason being is that DoD (and NATO) uses light blue color coding for training or inert ordnance. http://www.ordnance.org/color.htm It's a safety thing. WTF? BS fear mongering over a damn color. How many DoD and NATO personnel hang out at your ranges and so what if they did. What can they do if the happen to see you using a blue PMag? NOTHING. They are legal to use for any purpose. +1 do you think a DoD or NATO member would just start shooting at people if you handed them a gun with a Blue mag? because they would assume it was blank or inert ammo? gun safety is not controlled by the color of the components.... |
 NOT an inert training rifle or toy. A real rifle just like black ones, don't ever let the color of a firearm or magazine deceive you. Blue PMags would be nice for my rifle, but if I wanted them that bad, I'd duracoat a few. |
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