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12/17/2007 6:39:12 PM EDT
I usually shoot 75gr or 77gr bullets out of a 20 inch barreled AR.  I recently loaded up some 60 grainers and found the bolt was failing to cycle - the bolt comes back but not far enough to pick up the next round in the mag and then slams forward on an empty chamber.  I am using a max load of Varget (27grs).  I can't understand why it cycles properly with heavier bullets but not at all with these lighter bullets.

Anyone else had this problem?
12/17/2007 6:55:25 PM EDT
[#1]
A lot of the heavier bullets in .223 can not be seated to mag length, and are used single shot. If this is not the case, then disregard.

Your magazine might be at fault try a different one.

You might have bought some bullets that were .223 dia instead of .224 dia and it is not making a good seal in the bore.

You may have a Heavy buffer/spring and need a lighter one.

Will the bolt lock back on an empty mag/last shot?
Check your key it might be loose.
12/17/2007 7:10:44 PM EDT
[#2]
The bullets I am using are definately 224 diameter.  
I am using a standard buffer.  
The gas key is staked and isn't loose.  
The bolt doesn't lock back on an emply mag.
12/18/2007 12:30:43 PM EDT
[#3]
You may need to try a different powder . Win 748 and H335 work well for me , H335 being the more accurate of the two . I share your frustration by all means . I have good luck with 23.5 grains of 335 and 24 grains of 748 . I have used both powders with weights from 55gr to 68 , mabey you could try it . I was using 20 - 21 grns of H4198 and it cycled fine in my DPMS 16"bbl , however these loads did not cycle my two Bushmasters or my friends colt , go figure ??? I have no idead what the deal is , I even switched the lower and nothing . If you have wiggle room on your load , try stepping it up 1/2 a grn if possible , just make a handfull and blast them out and see if that helps . Reloading is trial and error and sometimes one powder works well while another is usless ... LOL . My pet load is 23.5 -24.0 grns of H335 with a 55 grn Hornady FMJ and it groups an inch ( if I hold steady enough on the bag of course ) at 200 yds . This load shoots well and is very economical for pratice . Let me know how you make out .

12/18/2007 1:25:13 PM EDT
[#4]
Post a photo of your spent cases (primers),
Could be that you are just going over the top in regards to working pressures.
12/19/2007 10:59:51 PM EDT
[#5]
Thanks, but how does excessive pressure cause the bolt not to cycle?  My cases do have ejector marks but I put that down to a new bolt and a rough face on the ejector stem. The primers are flattened which I suppose indicates the load is on the hot side - but I still don't get the mechanics of the bolt not cycling as a result.
12/20/2007 6:25:06 PM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:
Thanks, but how does excessive pressure cause the bolt not to cycle?  My cases do have ejector marks but I put that down to a new bolt and a rough face on the ejector stem. The primers are flattened which I suppose indicates the load is on the hot side - but I still don't get the mechanics of the bolt not cycling as a result.


When the load goes over the top, the residual barrel pressure causes the spent case to the chamber walls at bolt unlock to be too strong/great for a normal cycle/pull (extractor being able to pull the case out of the chamber cleanly at unlock) and a great deal of B/C’s rear momentum is lost on pulling the spent case out of the chamber alone.  We refer to this as over cycling, and can be caused by the load going over the top, using powder that burns much to slow for the system, or just have a gas port much too large for the load at hand.
12/20/2007 6:25:35 PM EDT
[#7]
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12/20/2007 7:05:36 PM EDT
[#8]
I get it.  I'll try some different powder.  Thanks for your help.
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