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Posted: 2/23/2015 3:59:02 PM EDT
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Hey guys, hoping for some help/experience sharing here before I blaze a trail:
I've just built a new upper that I plan to use for 3gun and also as what the "tactical" world calls a "recce" rifle (basically a carbine with a magnified optic that can be used up close or out to maybe 600 or so yards with moderate precision). The upper is a BCM 14.5" mid-gas BFH barrel with a BCM KMR 13 handguard; very similar to the one TTI shows below. Anyway, where I'm struggling is with the brake. I have an AAC suppressor that I'd like to be able to use on this rifle when not shooting 3gun to make it quieter/more pleasant to shoot. However, I don't want to give up anything when it comes to speed for 3gun. Our local matches are all 100yds or less and so speed is important in being competitive. The obvious answer seems to be to run the AAC brake, right, but I'm not convinced. I had an M&P10 .308 AR and changed from a JP Cooley to the AAC when I got my can and was disappointed at the noticeable difference in recoil and muzzle movement. I realize this is a .223, but I would expect similar results. I heard good things about the AAC Brakeout 2.0 so I bought one and tried it Friday night against my SJC Titan. I fired 5 shot groups as fast as I could pull the trigger (under 1 sec from low ready) at 5.5" B-8 targets and while the AAC Brakeout 2.0 showed noticeable up and right stringing, the Titan kept everything well inside the black center. I know the guys @ SJC and talked to them about making a hybrid Titan/AAC 51-T type device. However, in order to fit inside the suppressor, it will have to be both shorter and smaller ID than the Titan. I'm wondering if by the time we do that, it will only work as well as the AAC and I'd be better off just doing that from the get-go rather than investing the time and money to make a custom brake/suppressor mount.' Sorry for the long post, but not sure how else to communicate the question. Thanks for any/all feedback. ETA: Oh, forgot to mention: The reason I'm stressing the decision so much is that because it's a 14.5" barrel, the final result/decision will need to be pinned/welded. I'm currently running the upper on my SBR lower while I test/decide, but want to put it back on a non-NFA lower once pinned/welded. 
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what exactly is your question? sounds like you want the best brake possible, but to fit your AAC can... if that's the case, i think you are SOL Bottom line question: I have the opportunity to work with SJC to make a custom brake on the end of a 51-T mount. However, it will require modifying some of the things that make the SJC Titan as effective as it is. Worth the time/financial journey for something that may not work as well or are others finding that their AAC devices work well enough as-is? Or maybe, "What are other AAC owners doing on their 3gun rifles? Just not leaving open the opportunity for the suppressor use on that rifle?" |
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Bottom line question: I have the opportunity to work with SJC to make a custom brake on the end of a 51-T mount. However, it will require modifying some of the things that make the SJC Titan as effective as it is. Worth the time/financial journey for something that may not work as well or are others finding that their AAC devices work well enough as-is? Or maybe, "What are other AAC owners doing on their 3gun rifles? Just not leaving open the opportunity for the suppressor use on that rifle?" Quoted:
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what exactly is your question? sounds like you want the best brake possible, but to fit your AAC can... if that's the case, i think you are SOL Bottom line question: I have the opportunity to work with SJC to make a custom brake on the end of a 51-T mount. However, it will require modifying some of the things that make the SJC Titan as effective as it is. Worth the time/financial journey for something that may not work as well or are others finding that their AAC devices work well enough as-is? Or maybe, "What are other AAC owners doing on their 3gun rifles? Just not leaving open the opportunity for the suppressor use on that rifle?" Most 3 gunners I know have very dedicated and specialized builds that are aimed at reducing as much recoil as possible. They use their rifles for 3 gun and that's it, so they really don't care if they can't use a suppressor on it. |
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The 51T is for adapting a suppressor to the barrel, that's what it does best. Flash and barrel rise mitigation are afterthoughts to that effect.
I hate to say it, but if you're looking for a muzzle device that controls like a Cooley or a Titan and fits a suppressor for quieter shooting... it doesn't exist. At least to my knowledge. Here's my recommendation: make separate uppers for different purposes. If you want something short and quiet to have fun with, use the Brakeout and rock out with a suppressor. If you're cutting every corner you can to stay flat and go fast, use the Titan. |
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The 51T is for adapting a suppressor to the barrel, that's what it does best. Flash and barrel rise mitigation are afterthoughts to that effect. I hate to say it, but if you're looking for a muzzle device that controls like a Cooley or a Titan and fits a suppressor for quieter shooting... it doesn't exist. At least to my knowledge. Here's my recommendation: make separate uppers for different purposes. If you want something short and quiet to have fun with, use the Brakeout and rock out with a suppressor. If you're cutting every corner you can to stay flat and go fast, use the Titan. Surefire SFMB556? |
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The more effective muzzle brakes have wide baffles which doesn't work with mounting suppressors. The wider baffles give more surface area for the exiting gas to deflect off of. Wide, flat, additional mass, additional weight. Typically you want a longer "tunnel" to effectively direct all that gas pressure. |
A little update: I talked with John of SJC Customs on Friday night and he's working with me to develop a 51-tooth Titan! I'll get pics up as soon as it's done. John is excited about the project and so am I. If all goes well, then there should be "production" versions available following shortly. Imagine that, the best of both worlds: best comp on the market with the ability to mount your suppressor as well. In the meantime, here's the rifle I'll be using the mount on. For now, it's just sporting a regular Titan un-pinned on a 14.5" barrel sitting on a registered SBR lower.
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