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Posted: 10/2/2006 6:20:12 AM EDT
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How many of you use this down the barrell for cleaning purposes? Do you use something in addition? It seem to me I have read something about this in the past on a post here but my search has turned up empty. I am comtemplating using this to clean my new chrome-lined upper in 6.8 from CMMG. Thanks in advance! |
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I'm sure BF CLP will work fine...I think most of the military manuals say to use it, but I prefer to use Hoppes #9 for cleaning the bore on all of my guns. After it's relatively clean, I run a couple of dry patches through, then preserve the barrel with a couple of patches wet with CLP. Mike |
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CLP works ok for removing powder residue but does not do much if anything about copper fouling. If your barrel is properly lapped and broken in, copper fouling should not be too big an issue. However, if you buy it and start shooting without a fairly cleaning intensive break in protocol, you have lots of potential for lots of copper fouling and once it starts, it tends to be very progressive. If you clean with CLP only and you ever take a look at your bore through a magnifying bore scope, you may change your mind about your cleaning protocol. |
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I will use CLP on a boresnake while still at the range when the barrel is warm, then I get home and clean it out with a dewey with hoppes, patches and a final thin layer of CLP. For my new savage 10FP I had to use that foaming cleaner to get the copper out and was VERY please how fast it cleaned, i am considering flushing out my AR out with it too. |
foaming cleaner? Is this ok for chrome lined barrells? |
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BF CLP is a poor bore cleaner and has a large negative affect on accuracy. When BF CLP was first used in the government, accuracy acceptance testing procedures had to be changed in order to have rifles pass. The first 30 rounds fired were not for record, they were used to burn out CLP residue from the barrel. |
I have read that the Teflon (PTFE) degrades accuracy when in a barrel. True? |
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I have a rem 700 vssf in .308 that all it was ever cleaned with is tetra oil. At 200 yards the rifle will print a 3/4" avg group from a cold clean barrel and hold this group for at least 40 rounds in string of 5. All I do is run two dry patches down the bore before I shoot the rifle. Only because I store the bores verry wet. If teflon was so bad for a bore I would think that in the 3,000 rounds I have thru this rifle I would of seen some loss. |
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Boy..just think how well it would shoot with a decent bore cleaner. Just kidding...if it works for you, that's great. In my experience though, getting the first shot to the point of aim out of a clean barrel is a real challenge with some bore cleaners due to the residue that gets left in the barrel. With CLP for example, the carrier film evaporates over a few weeks leaving the teflon so it creates consistency problems if you shoot more frequently than that. I think that is where the negative comments on accuracy come from. My preference is Shooter's Choice as I can clean it, run a dry patch through it and get the first shot out of the clean barrel where it is supposed to go and have the rest of thge shots in the group shoot to the same point of impact. |
Ive read and heard that many many times over the years,but have yet to see it and that includes using lubes with high amounts of PTFE like Mil-comm.Now that includes my benchrest days and custom bolt guns. I just do not see how the tiny amount of PTFE could cause any issues especially being that it will not stick to anything,including itself.That said Im sure the PTFE particles are blown out of the bore and what remains is probably smeared in the powder/carbon fouling.That brings me to the amount of carbon and powder residue is in the bore after a few foulers/rounds....not to mention copper.So how is PTFE going to affect accuracy considering? Im still waiting for someone to show me real life proof,not just speculation.Have not seen anything yet. I say there are many other things to worry about than having the PTFE in the barrel. |
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I´ve had LESS first shot different from rest of group problems in my hunting rigs with BF CLP, than other products. Its not the best cleaner, but a damn fine Rust Preventative ( so its the one, I leave in the bore - THIN ) and a patch afterwards before shooting. IIRC Hoppe´s will attack chrome - so I avoid it for my AR. Still haven´t figured out yet, what to do: what will get out brass and copper and leave chrome untouched??? ( Army: BRASS brush and BF CLP ) H |
I've been using IOSSO bore paste for a couple years now. I haven't seen a just noticeable difference in accuracy. My 6 year old Colt A2 has the most bore paste cleaning through it, with cleanings every 60-90 rounds, and it will hold a 100yd 1MOA 10shot group. |
Don't use foam cleaner on a gas gun, unless you can close the gas port like on a M1A. Foam will stay up in the gas tube on an AR, gunking it up. |
???? Please explain. Just what about Hoppe's will attack a chrome bore? It's not because it attacks copper because there is no copper lining under hard chrome. It is applied directly to the steel.
Um...no. We are not talking about insulation foam here. The cleaning foam quickly returns to it's liquid state and will run out the hole. And like QUIB said in the other thread, use brake cleaner to clean out the tube if one is really worried about it. |
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Interesting! The warnings on any bottle of Hoppe´s say not to use it on chromed surfaces for a prolonged period of time! To remoe it for overnight use, and use a good rust prevent afterward. IIRC, I haven´t read that Text for years! So I may clean with Hoppe´s No 9 for a time, and then follow with a good rust preventative ( BF CLP ) afterward without any harm to my ( AR´s ) chrome lining??? H |
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