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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Bushmaster Quality (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 4/29/2009 2:08:12 PM EDT
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Hello everyone,
I've recently purchased a Bushmaster m4. I haven't shot it yet, as I'm waiting to install the Adams Arms piston kit, which I will be receiving very soon. I've been reading different opinions and it seems many feel the Bushmaster is a "tier 3 or 4" quality ar 15. I'm wondering how folks on this forum feel regarding the quality of Bushmasters. I purchased the Bushmaster M4 feeling I was receiving a quality weapon. |
| It's a fine rifle. The people obsessed with "tiers" are generally people who spend more time obsessing over the minutiae of ARs and how best to color fill the selector markings, or how to prevent scratches than the people who actually shoot and just enjoy the things. |
| the only reason i think people would rate it in a "lower tier" is maybe for things like batch testing bolts/barrels or things like that. but i've seen people have problems with colts/LMT ect...there is no such thing as the perfect rifle. if it runs fine and shoots straight then you got nothing to worry about. |
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It's a fine rifle. The people obsessed with "tiers" are generally people who spend more time obsessing over the minutiae of ARs and how best to color fill the selector markings, or how to prevent scratches than the people who actually shoot and just enjoy the things. Truer words were never spoken. Look at all the photos of the tacticool guns on this site––most of 'em are total safe queens, not a mark on 'em. Lucky if they have 200 rounds through them. Some of these cats lay awake at night thinking "If I change my Bushy or RRA bolt carrier group out, for a BCM or LMT, it'll be a much better rifle . . . . " They hang thousands of dollars worth of SWAT-worthy goodies, takes three different batteries to make 'em run . . . . Then they run the cheapest foreign junk-ammo through it to "save money." Internet shooters worry about the damndest things. Is it parked under the front sight base? Well, does a zombie know or care when he takes a headshot from a serious shooter that put his time and money into range work? Think of it this way: What "tier" is your girlfriend? Does she look good, go fast? If so, then who cares about "tiers?" I'm amazed at guys who select GFs based on their impact as "arm candy." |
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You did buy a "Top of the Line" gun when you bought your Bushy. I love my Bushy M4 and I also have a Colt 6920 M4.
For the cost of the Colt I could have almost had two more Bushy's, but for some stupid reason I just had to have a Colt too (so the Bushy didn't get lonely?). Get out to the range and enjoy that new AR! |
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For what a Colt goes for and a Bushy goes for I say get the Bushy and Aimpoint. If I was loaded I'd buy a Colt but my Bushy keeps on ticking. Only jams it had were caused by old GI mags that I used during the AWB days. No problems with all the tacticool mags. I got the eotech 552 |
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I forgot to mention..
In addition to the Adams Arms piston kit coming soon, I'm also waiting on an Adams Arms bolt carrier. When I'm able to find one, I'll couple the AA bolt carrier with a BCM bolt assembly. While I do have experience shooting the m16 (got out of the Army in 87) this is my first AR15. I've already installed a Daniels Defense omega handguard. I"m waiting on other items too (including flip up sights as back up for my eotech). I hope to receive everything soon ,put this baby together and shoot the heck out of it. |
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Is your front sight base on straight?  I removed it anticipating receipt of the piston kit this week. The weapon is new and unfired. Ahh... The only problem I have ever had with Bushmaster is crooked front sight bases on the last TWO upper assemblies I bought from them. (One of them was VERY crooked). |
| I've not been around AR's as long as many on here but I have a Bushy M4 and a S&W M&P15 and I like the Bushy better. Pretty much identical rifles except I think the Bushy trigger is a little more to my liking. You don't have to spend $1800 to get a good rifle. You made a good choice, now just put all that money you saved over a hi-end AR and buy some ammo and shoot shoot shoot! BTW +1 on their customer service being excellent. Great people. |
| I have a bushmaster m4 type rifle. It was my first ar and an impulse buy. I purchased it for $944 out the door (a2 type). So far I have only had to send it in once to have them "re-index" the barrel because I had to move my rear sight all the way to the lefft to obtain zero. Also it does not take to Wolf brand ammo well at all and short strokes every other round. I checked the gas key and its on tight so it is not necessarily the rifle, nor the ammo. Could be a combo of both (but I have not had any other problems with other cheaper ammo). The fit and finish is good and the accuracy is also good (not a sniper rifle alternative). Dozens of LEO agencies also use them as their patrol rifles. If its good enough for them then I'm sure its good enough for your purposes. Don't let the Bushmster haters get you down. Keep in mind 90% of the capabilities of the rifle is the shooter. If you cant shoot it doesn't matter if you have the "tier one" brands. |
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Hello everyone, I've recently purchased a Bushmaster m4. I haven't shot it yet, as I'm waiting to install the Adams Arms piston kit, which I will be receiving very soon. I've been reading different opinions and it seems many feel the Bushmaster is a "tier 3 or 4" quality ar 15. I'm wondering how folks on this forum feel regarding the quality of Bushmasters. I purchased the Bushmaster M4 feeling I was receiving a quality weapon. Once you get an upgraded extractor spring (less than $5) you will be good to go. I, like you, was nervous when I read some bad reviews about Bushmaster but now I will put my Bushy up against a colt anyday in terms of reliability. |
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I have two Bushys, one rifle, one carbine. Never had a problem. Shoots any ammo I have been able to buy and feed through them. However, never steel case ammo.
I have shot many brands but would recommend Bushmaster without regret, especially to newbie. To note, both of mine were purchased before the Cerebus deal. |
| I was an Armorer in the Corps so my Bushmaster is a bit "massaged" but I've never had a problem with it. It even shoots Wolf without fail. I've owned 2 Colts and one Bushy and all have been great rifles. There is always something better and more expensive no matter what the subject. Da internets is full of armchair QBs and every other type of Wizard on the planet! |
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5 years ago people used to say "Remember your ABCs."
Armalite Bushmaster Colt Since then, for a reason I dont understand, Bushmaster has fallen out of favor. I've got a DCM version and it is a fine gun. I agree with the recommendation to either not purchase or sell if you all ready have the piston kit. You dont need it. You will still need to clean the bbl, and cleaning the rest of the gun is just a quick schpritz and wipe, then slather with oil. I also wouldnt worry about the Adams bolt. Don |
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Is your front sight base on straight? I removed it anticipating receipt of the piston kit this week. The weapon is new and unfired. Ahh... The only problem I have ever had with Bushmaster is crooked front sight bases on the last TWO upper assemblies I bought from them. (One of them was VERY crooked). Mine had that also. It's around 8 clicks left and something i need to fix/get fixed. Ramps seem to match good and everything else seems right though. |
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I own two Bushmaster uppers. I bought both from PK Firearms before the election insanity ensued. I've ran both in a couple of classes and have had no problems with either. They both have perfectly aligned extended feedramps, a nice finish, and perfect front sight bases.
My only complaint with them is the lack of t marks on the upper and the shorter front sight post; which I replaced. At the time, PK was out of bolt and carrier groups so I bought LMTs from Bravo Company. My setups are not considered "top tier" like Colt or Noveske. I'd love to own both of those someday and hopefully I will. But for now, my Bushmasters run fine and I would trust either of them with my life. Even if I do have an opportunity to own a Colt or Noveske someday, I don't see myself selling my Bushmasters. |
| Bushmaster makes quality stuff for sure. But, they make a lot of it and their QC on finished weapons isn't always that as is mandated by some govt contracts. Such is life. I carried a Bushmaster M4 on a job overseas for two years. Mine always worked fine and saw a pretty good amount of range time. I also observed a fair number of them as well (several hundred) when they came in country and were issued out. I didn't take notes, but there were a few with canted FSBs and a few with loose gas keys some trips to the range to BZO and qualify new users. But, just as often there were no problems. Maybe I'd tweak a few things with aftermarket parts here and there, but I would certainly buy a Bushmaster before a lot of the other options, and would be happy to own one. |
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Is your front sight base on straight? I removed it anticipating receipt of the piston kit this week. The weapon is new and unfired. Ahh... The only problem I have ever had with Bushmaster is crooked front sight bases on the last TWO upper assemblies I bought from them. (One of them was VERY crooked). Mine had that also. It's around 8 clicks left and something i need to fix/get fixed. Ramps seem to match good and everything else seems right though. Mine was just a bit more out of whack: 
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Glad to hear the proud Bushmaster owners. For those who recommended selling the piston kit, I wonder why? It is strictly for the cost? If you could have one free, wouldn't you install it on your setup? Piston Kits have a reputation of being problematic..I would steer clear |
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As long as you re-stake the carrier key($0 and 10 minutes of your time), get a taller front post($10), do an extractor upgrade($5)) and make sure the FSB isn't canted they are a good rifle.
A bushmaster gone over by someone who knows AR and then installed a lmt/bcm BCG, man that would be a great AR. Great customer service also, I had an upper that got lost by fed ex when I shipped it to them for warranty work(FSB canted) and they replaced the upper with what I wanted no questions asked. |
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Glad to hear the proud Bushmaster owners. For those who recommended selling the piston kit, I wonder why? It is strictly for the cost? If you could have one free, wouldn't you install it on your setup? Piston Kits have a reputation of being problematic..I would steer clear And I would also add that many of us consider them to be an answer to a problem that doesn't really exist. |
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It's a fine rifle. The people obsessed with "tiers" are generally people who spend more time obsessing over the minutiae of ARs and how best to color fill the selector markings, or how to prevent scratches than the people who actually shoot and just enjoy the things. You have that the other way around. Tier 1 guys understand the rifle is a tool, parts interchangeability and reliability are paramount. The other guys bitch if theie is a flaw in the anodizing, or a tiny nick in the aluminum under the anodizing, or if the fit and finish is not immaculate, regardless of how the weapon actually FUNCTIONS. |
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I have two BM superlite uppers, and one BM lower, all no problems, and I really like them.
But, I bought them several years back and I think their quality was better then. Honestly, with the backorder situation at BM now, and since they've been bought out, I would do a lot of research and maybe go another direction if I were looking to buy now, there are better ones to be had for the same money. But, since you have yours in hand, if it shoots well and is reliable, then I think you did good. |
Considering most tier1 rifles have pretty bad fit and finish, I'm gonna go with 45FMJoe on this one. Colts almost always have play between the upper and lower, even when you buy the complete rifle, and they always have nicks and scratches on them from the factory. Same with Noveske and LMT(don't really know much about the fit and finish of Larue cause I've never owned one). But these companies realize that function comes before form when it comes to a rifle that was designed to help you survive bad situations. That's what makes them top tier and that's why we like 'em
That being said, Bushys are great rifles. They may not be tier one, but they are still pretty reliable and a freakin blast to shoot. I still miss my Bushy every once in a while, but then I look at my Noveske and all is good again 
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I bought my Bushy about three months back. First AR I purchased. It's the all carbon lightweight mode. I have about 300 rounds through it. Love that rifle. It's a 20 inch with a full stock. I just purchased a Colt 6920 a week ago. Haven't got to shoot it yet, but looking forward to seeing the difference.
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Hello everyone, I've recently purchased a Bushmaster m4. I haven't shot it yet, as I'm waiting to install the Adams Arms piston kit, which I will be receiving very soon. I've been reading different opinions and it seems many feel the Bushmaster is a "tier 3 or 4" quality ar 15. I'm wondering how folks on this forum feel regarding the quality of Bushmasters. I purchased the Bushmaster M4 feeling I was receiving a quality weapon. Thats total BS from people who drink a different flavor Koolaid You did, go enjoy! |
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