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7/24/2004 6:02:57 PM EDT


7/24/2004 6:04:05 PM EDT
[#1]
How many more years will it take to find a magazine for it?
Other than being empty, real nice rifle!
7/24/2004 6:09:33 PM EDT
[#2]

Quoted:
How many more years will it take to find a magazine for it?
Other than being empty, real nice rifle!





Tough crowd!
7/24/2004 6:11:23 PM EDT
[#3]
I like the choice of a traditional type scope. May I ask why the scout type set up with the scope? And what type of scope is it a variable or a fixed? Definatly a different look,  I like it.
7/24/2004 6:12:53 PM EDT
[#4]
What type of scope is that? Where is the eye relief....it looks like a standard rifle scope, but I would think its too far forward to see thru...also, no iron sights? Bench rifle? Details man, inquiring minds want to know
7/24/2004 6:12:53 PM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
How many more years will it take to find a magazine for it?
Other than being empty, real nice rifle!



got him there......
7/24/2004 6:14:52 PM EDT
[#6]
It's a Burris 2.75 power Scout scope. www.burrisoptics.com/compact.html

I guess the whole "mag in the gun" thing is like the whole "cocked & locked" thing huh? [yawn]
7/24/2004 6:16:39 PM EDT
[#7]

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also, no iron sights?



There's a front flipup from GG&G on it right now.  I also have a GG&G MAD rear that I will put on.  I have to chop down the ARMS rail though to make room for it.
7/24/2004 6:18:51 PM EDT
[#8]

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also, no iron sights?



There's a front flipup from GG&G on it right now.  I also have a GG&G MAD rear that I will put on.  I have to chop down the ARMS rail though to make room for it.



Will the MAD rear sight interfear with the view through the scope or does it sit pretty low too?
7/24/2004 6:21:55 PM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:

Quoted:

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also, no iron sights?



There's a front flipup from GG&G on it right now.  I also have a GG&G MAD rear that I will put on.  I have to chop down the ARMS rail though to make room for it.



Will the MAD rear sight interfear with the view through the scope or does it sit pretty low too?



Nope, that's the reason I have to use the MAD.  The ARMS rail is available with their flipup integral, but it sticks up too high.  The MAD will ay flat enough to stay out of the way.
7/24/2004 6:32:48 PM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:

Quoted:

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Quoted:
also, no iron sights?



There's a front flipup from GG&G on it right now.  I also have a GG&G MAD rear that I will put on.  I have to chop down the ARMS rail though to make room for it.



Will the MAD rear sight interfear with the view through the scope or does it sit pretty low too?



Nope, that's the reason I have to use the MAD.  The ARMS rail is available with their flipup integral, but it sticks up too high.  The MAD will ay flat enough to stay out of the way.



Pimp shit.  

Here is mine


I still have to get new rings, and a riser to bring it up about 1/4inch and than it will sit right over the #40 rear.  I just don;t know what type of rmount to use I was thinking a ARMS19. So that way the scope can come off fast if need be.  The scope is a 1-4x20 leupold.
7/24/2004 6:43:54 PM EDT
[#11]
Hehe... At first glance I thought that scope was a flashlight mounted backwards

So what's the story?  Why 5 years?
7/24/2004 6:45:44 PM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:
Pimp shit.  



I left my jive dictionary at work, can you translate this one for me?
7/24/2004 6:50:43 PM EDT
[#13]

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Hehe... At first glance I thought that scope was a flashlight mounted backwards

So what's the story?  Why 5 years?



Well, I bought the complete lower about 5 years ago.  Then the complete upper 6 months later.  Then off to GG&G for the flipup install.  After awhile I got ahold of a KAC RIS that I put on the front end.  Somewhere in there I ordered the scope.  Problem was, the RIS indexes on the barrel nut, and it wasn't in alignment with the flattop upper.  So the whole project sat.  I just shot it with the flipup sights.  Shot the hell out of it actually.  Then about 3 years ago, I moved to South Florida, hooked up with an anti chick, and got pretty heavy into riding my Harley, and out of guns.  Been single now again for about a year, and have been looking for rings to mount on the RIS, and a way to straighten it out.  Instead, I sold the RIS, got the ARMS rail, and went the route of the Leupold throwlever rings.

And that's the story of how it takes 5 years to bolt a scope on a rifle.
7/24/2004 7:15:49 PM EDT
[#14]

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Pimp shit.  



I left my jive dictionary at work, can you translate this one for me?



Just another way to say cool. It's a good thing.
7/25/2004 1:06:04 PM EDT
[#15]
So I got to the range today with the rifle.  Learned a few things.

1) The scope is in the rings wrong.  The windage adjustment is at the top, and the elevation is on the side.  Doesn't really matter much except that when you start turning the knobs to go right, it moves up .  If I had been smart & if Leupold didn't suck, I would have had the right tool to fix it before I got started.  I don't know what possess idiots to put torx screws on things.  That has to be the worst fastener around.

2) The rings are too low.  I bought the QRW "low" rings when I really need the medium.  Of course, I tossed the packaging already, so keep an eye out for a set of QRW low rings to be for sale shortly.

3) This concept kicks ass!  Minus the two fuckups above, this is one badass setup. You basically see the whole world in front of you, with a circle 2.75x bigger with crosshairs floating in front of you.  Once you have it dialed in, it is very fast to shoot offhand from 15 out to 100 yards.

At the end of the day I'm pretty stoked about the concept.  Have to work out the bugs I listed, and eventually I think I'll have the barrel turned down to a lighter profile.

One thing that nobody noticed so far is that the bottom handguard is an M4 and the top is a stardard Bushy CAR handguard.  I shot about 200 rounds today, and didn't notice a heat problem through the handguard at all.

So, I'll have to order up the new rings, and find a machine shop to cut down the rail for me, and we'll be all set.  I'll post a followup report as I get things finalized.  Oh, and keep an eye out for another strange build I'm working on as well.
7/25/2004 1:21:10 PM EDT
[#16]
Did you seriously want him to needlessly load a rifle in his living room just to make a better picture?
7/25/2004 1:23:44 PM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:Then off to GG&G for the flipup install.  


You sent it to a gunsmith to mount a flip-up?!?  I did mine myself, am I missing something.
7/25/2004 1:55:32 PM EDT
[#18]

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Quoted:Then off to GG&G for the flipup install.  


You sent it to a gunsmith to mount a flip-up?!?  I did mine myself, am I missing something.



Flipup front.  The GG&G front is installed by them.  It is somehow (although I have no idea how) different than the others (for example the YHM model).
7/25/2004 2:00:10 PM EDT
[#19]
I did the Scout thing years ago when I thought Cooper's word was divine.

I found the Scout is one rifle that doesn't do anything well.
7/25/2004 2:48:14 PM EDT
[#20]

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I did the Scout thing years ago when I thought Cooper's word was divine.

I found the Scout is one rifle that doesn't do anything well.



I would be interested to know what configuration you had, what tasks you tried to use it for, and how it failed you.
7/25/2004 4:46:12 PM EDT
[#21]

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I did the Scout thing years ago when I thought Cooper's word was divine.

I found the Scout is one rifle that doesn't do anything well.



Yah in coopers vision of the scout as a bolt action. A semi scout is abit better. A long eye  relief  low power variable would make it even handier IMO.(I like variable power scope)
7/25/2004 4:48:13 PM EDT
[#22]
I had a Scout rifle that was built on a Remington 700 action. It was .308 with a 17 inch barrel. I used the 2 3/4 Burris Scout scope. This was about 1992 and well before the Savage or Steyr Scouts. At the time I was a gunsmithing student at Yavapai College about 20 miles from Gunsite.

Basically I just don't see the need to mount the scope that far forward except for allowing the use of stripper clips on a bolt action. For targets out to 300 yards a red dot or even mini ACOG just works better. Better yet is a compact variable like the Leupold 1.5-5 or even the 2-7. The 1.5-5 can even be had illuminated. I have no problem with both eyes open and a conventional mounted scope and you don't have the mounting issues associated with the intermediate eye relief.

And the final thing. I hate Burris scopes. Two of the three I have owned have broke and had to be sent back to Burris for service. The other one (scout) that didn't break had issues. Run the elevation up 15 clicks then back down 15 and you end up about 2 inches off at 100 yards. I've seen many Burris scopes belonging to others have issues. There is a thread on the precision rifle forum right now about a very expensive Burris Black Diamond scope with problems. Why do you think Leupold made the scopes for the Steyr rifles? They are not even close to Leupold in quality.
7/25/2004 4:56:53 PM EDT
[#23]

Quoted:
I had a Scout rifle that was built on a Remington 700 action. It was .308 with a 17 inch barrel. I used the 2 3/4 Burris Scout scope. This was about 1992 and well before the Savage or Steyr Scouts. At the time I was a gunsmithing student at Yavapai College about 20 miles from Gunsite.

Basically I just don't see the need to mount the scope that far forward except for allowing the use of stripper clips on a bolt action. For targets out to 300 yards a red dot or even mini ACOG just works better. Better yet is a compact variable like the Leupold 1.5-5 or even the 2-7. The 1.5-5 can even be had illuminated. I have no problem with both eyes open and a conventional mounted scope and you don't have the mounting issues associated with the intermediate eye relief.

And the final thing. I hate Burris scopes. Two of the three I have owned have broke and had to be sent back to Burris for service. The other one (scout) that didn't break had issues. Run the elevation up 15 clicks then back down 15 and you end up about 2 inches off at 100 yards. I've seen many Burris scopes belonging to others have issues. There is a thread on the precision rifle forum right now about a very expensive Burris Black Diamond scope with problems. Why do you think Leupold made the scopes for the Steyr rifles? They are not even close to Leupold in quality.



Oh well, I disagree with virtually everything you said.  To each his own.

ETA:
I wandered over to the Leupold website & took a look at the illuminated reticles.  If they could put one of those in the scout scope that would be excellent.
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