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Posted: 1/17/2012 5:27:22 PM EDT
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Give me your thoughts on this company..
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they used to be the flavor of the month a few years ago. Then they had some issues with non concentric bores that would cause bullets to strike the baffels of suppressors. Then there are people who say they use DPMS parts. They also were supposed to have poor CS, but I talked with them a couple of times and got quick answers to my questions. They are a small family owned company and the poor CS reports was during the '08-'09 gun run when everybody was overwhelmed with orders and it really showed in the companies with a small staff. With that said, I have owned two different CMMG rifles(still have a 20" A4) and have had good luck with them. I'm more of a shotgun and handgun shooter so my rifles don't get shot alot, but I have a little over 1k through the rifle I have left with zero issues. I have also used one of their LPK's and had good results with it even though some were claiming that they had issues with the safety's being out of spec.
They have come out with alot of new products in the AR22 line that are supposed to be good. i wouldn't have a problem buying another one of their rifles if I could get it for a decent price, but last I checked their prices were a little higher than others like PSA, so there would be no point in spending the extra cash on a CMMG when you could get another brand that is just as good or better for the same price or even a little less. |
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I have one of their dedicated .22 uppers, and 4 magazines. Love shooting it, and its been reliable. But, every order I placed with them had an issue of somekind or another. Which meant dealing with their customer service, then waiting for things to be made right. Once it took two ships to get it right. They did make it right in all cases except for one, but honestly I just got plain tired of their inconsistent service. Also, most days I got a busy signal when calling, and had to keep trying until I could get through. Then tried emails and it took weeks to get a response, if ever.
Small or not, I don't feel you can ride that excuse forever. ben |
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There were some rough times and complaints about them ages ago. Really i hear little about them these days except seeing posts about their various .22lr products. they usually have a pretty interesting supply of stuff, like different barrel profiles etc. Not sure I have bought anything from them in awhile |
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Didn't they do the group buy years ago where the barrels were cut wrong? the gas hole was in the wrong place or something? Quoted: I did a group buy with them when they made their first run of lowers and we got serial numbers 50-100. That was kind of cool. I've bought several parts from them over the years. Always good service in my dealings. |
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Didn't they do the group buy years ago where the barrels were cut wrong? the gas hole was in the wrong place or something? Quoted:
I did a group buy with them when they made their first run of lowers and we got serial numbers 50-100. That was kind of cool. I've bought several parts from them over the years. Always good service in my dealings. Showing your age Aimless. That had to be 2005 or so. For the record I have a CMMG lower with a CMMG LPK and two of their uppers. I have never had problems. |
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I ordered a 16" middie upper from AIM back in late summer 08(july maybe). Came with BCG and charging handle. Paired the upper with a stripped CMMG lower built with CMMG lpk ordered from AIM at the time I ordered the upper. Long story short I had to adjust the windage 3 clicks from being maxed out to the left on the BUIS. The upper would group the shots fine at my zero range. I simply could not get past the fact the apperture was jacked all the way over off center. Just couldn't get passed that. I emailed CMMG and explained the issue. Someone responded 4-5 days later that it was likely a canted FSB, they had a rash of those get out. They would handle it. I send the upper in. They keep it for something like 6 weeks - 2 months. I call periodically and leave voicemail after voicemail with zero return comm. Finally I get in touch with the gent who owns the outfit through this site. He gets the repair tech to phone me. They are sending me a replacement upper. Cool! I am stoked. 2-3 weeks later I finally get a package with a new upper, my old BCG, and a brand new charging handle that is FUBAR (is bent and handle latch is jammed shut will not move seized shut). I contact dude via email again and explain the issue and honestly considering the issues and time frame taken to rectify this issue how he could have let this upper go out with an FU'd charging handle is beyond me. Of course he apologizes to the n'th degree and explains that all I really need to do is replace the latch pawl pin and spring. I explain that I do not have immediate access to M4 parts as I am just moving into the platform. He acknowledges and sends out a working replacement, as well as a stainless .22LR conversion kit with magazine for my troubles. I was floored as all I really wanted was a functional upper. Nonetheless, the new upper zeroed fine and shot fine. One other issue to note. The lower which I bought off of gunbroker from a shop in Seattle would not hold the bolt open on an empty mag. I was running 10 different PMAGs I bought from Charles Daly as they were obviously beginning the liquidation process of their demise. So I went out and bought a brand new overpriced GI colt 30 rounder from my local overpriced gun shop. Still would not hold the bolt open on empty mag. I ordered replacement parts from Grant at something or the other tactical. Replaced the bolt catch, detent, spring, etc. Still no workie right.
Sold that POS and never looked back. I am sure I am going to catch some shit from the holier than thou crowd that will say it grouped fine who cares how far over the sight is adjusted. The armchair commando handbook says that "x" # of clicks from maxed out is "in spec". . . . .  It didn't work for me. Sold it and actually made $150. Bought a nice Bravo Company midlength upper slapped it on a really nice top tier "in spec" lower and zeroed up lickity split in 2-3 clicks on windage and about 2 down of the front site post for elevation. Holds open on empty mag (running those same PMAGs btw) every single time. The BCM weapon system shoots minute of salad plate at 100 yards standing on my head with shitty 100 pack wally world Fed 55 grain ammo. Really groups excellent with the 69/77 grain high $ stuff. BTW, just recently mounted an Aimpoint micro in Larue tall mount. Why in the world didn't I do this sooner. Cats meow!
As for me, once I finally got in touch with someone who had some skin in on the deal I got results. The problem was they had a handful of pimple faced nerds handling their returns/repair department who didn't give two shits about anyone in particular and it showed. On the rare occassion I did speak with someone on the phone these douche bags were no more listening than a first grader hopped up on sugar on Halloween night during the safety brief. I was understanding of the fact they were being swamped with all of the Obama gun grab going on. I got it. What really irked me was the fact they new I had a product I wasn't happy with and when they finally got down to brass tacks still didn't care enough to make certain the job was done correctly! If you want to roll some dice, head down to Evansville get on the casino boat. Otherwise, do yourself a big favor. Buy some quality gear. Just my .02, YMMV |
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Didn't they do the group buy years ago where the barrels were cut wrong? the gas hole was in the wrong place or something? Quoted:
I did a group buy with them when they made their first run of lowers and we got serial numbers 50-100. That was kind of cool. I've bought several parts from them over the years. Always good service in my dealings. I wasn't part of that one. I've never had an issue with the lowers I bought. |
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I have a CMMG BCG that I have had no issues with and upwards of 1000+ rounds so far. Interesting, did you order a cmmg bcg specifically, find one in a gunshop, or what? I think you see more their stuff a little further west I picked it up at a local shop when finishing up my build. Place called Bowers Tactical. |
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I have a CMMG 14.5" pinned upper and have been very happy with it and the BCG that came with it.
I wish they made their bolt/BCG specs more publicly known. From some reading, and people who have talked to them, CMMG says their bolts are MPI and shot peened - I have not seen any info on their website to support this, or any claims of any sort of specs. I think people would appreciate it if they listed their materials/specs like other manufacturers. |
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I have a CMMG 14.7 M4 upper with pinned FH. It's been a good shooter. Also have a CMMG barreled dedicated .22 upper for my son. Used a CMMG lower for my dad's father's day present last year. All my experiences with CMMG have been positive. I wouldn't hesitate using them again. |
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I have five of their lowers (four I bought stripped, and one complete-the dedicated 9mm). I used CMMG LPKs on two of the lowers, I have since used PSA LPKs since they are cheaper and at least as good quality. All my lowers have been in spec, as have the 2 LPKs. The lowers are all low shelf (if that makes a difference to anyone-I hope to one day have a RDIAS, so it matters to me), and I liked them enough that I have form ones pending on one 5.56 lower and the 9mm dedicated lower.
I don't expect to buy any of their uppers, uppers of equal or perhaps better quality are available elsewhere for less money, but I expect I will buy more lowers as time goes on. I like their roll mark and all the ones I have had so far have been great. |
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With the exception of a few bad ones like LittleMagic's. And the old problems of the one batch of barrels, they are GTG. EVERYONE puts out bad stuff even BCM most recently.
My 14.5 pinned upper/LMT lower is my goto gun. Shoots everything I can put through it. Doesn't jam, doesn't give me any problem. And keeps shooting well beyond 1K rds with only lube. Class tested. But I can say the SAME thing about my BCM upper with generic mil spec lower & DPMS parts kit, my complete DPMS, & the BM 20" I used to own. |
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I have a CMMG 16" upper with their WASP coating. It is 3 years old and get shot much more than any of my other uppers, very accurate and I have never had an issue with it. that is the only CMMG product I have but based on my sample set of 1, I would buy from them again.
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Don't shoot anything but premium ammo. You will get a song and dance about how steel case ammo voids the warranty etc... Lame One of the uppers I got from them had an out of spec bolt carrier (rifle would short stroke). Called about getting it fixed. Got the steel cased ammo song and dance... Bought a quality bolt carrier no more short stroking with any type of ammo. Pass on them. Plenty of good quality parts around with better customer service.
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| I had serious customer service issues with them in late 2005 early 2006. I even exchanged emails with one of the owners/brothers who was unprofessional. I had several long back and forths here that finally got site staff involved. I will never purchase anything from that company and would suggest the same to any one considering them. |
| Case in point, Some like CS. Some will never deal with a Co that gives crappy CS. Products may be fine, experience may have been years ago but all it took was that to crap on them. A product IMHO is more then CS. Maybe I don't care cause I expect crappy CS from everyone. |
| I bought a "blem" midlength upper from them at a gunshow in 2009. It had the same canted FSB issue another user reported. After a couple of emails, I sent it back to them and it was returned in 2 days with apparently no change whatsoever. After reading a few threads here about canted FSBs, I fixed it myself. It has run flawlessly since...go figure. |
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Case in point, Some like CS. Some will never deal with a Co that gives crappy CS. Products may be fine, experience may have been years ago but all it took was that to crap on them. A product IMHO is more then CS. Maybe I don't care cause I expect crappy CS from everyone. They don't really stand out in this area either. And not caring about customer service is fine, until YOU need customer service. |
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To piggyback on this topic are they any opinions on these from MI? Good, bad, indifferent?
http://www.midwestindustriesinc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=110 |
| Bought my first AR from them back in 2005 and it was fine- they were jerks over email when I had questions and so I wrote em off. Got a good deal on two cmmg stripped lowers years later that were both out of spec in the trigger guard area. Marginal products, high prices, crappy cs. I'll give other companies my business. |
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I like their LPKs! They are parkerized and come in cool color bags! All bullshit aside, I've used PSA, DD (will never buy another way over priced), Spikes, DPMS and RRA LPKS's and I really like the CMMGs the best! Just curious as to why you think they are overpriced? Serious question too, I am not trying to be an asshole. |
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To piggyback on this topic are they any opinions on these from MI? Goo, bad, indifferent? http://www.midwestindustriesinc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=110 Your link is not working. ETA: Fixed it for you. http://www.midwestindustriesinc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=110 ETA 2: You could get the same set up from BCM for about the same price. |
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In summer of 2008 I got a 14.5" middy a rare / non-existent config in the industry at that time which I thought I just had to have. And I'm glad I got it 'cause I love the way it handles. It ran fine for casual shooting in the cool indoor range, but the chamber was not true to spec 5.56 NATO and I was having some problems with blown primers with hotter ammo / extended shooting sessions outside. Had the chamber reamed with a Ned Christiansen 5.56 NATO chamber reamer, which removed a LOT of material from the chamber, and it's been Good-To-Go ever since. No other real experience or customer service problems since I got it from a vendor, not directly from CMMG.
These days there are so many other better (IMHO) options out there BCM, DD, Spikes, et al. |
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i have one of their 22 dedicated uppers and i love it. their grey mags sucked but the new ones with the metal feed lips are awesome. when purchasing a few things from them there were some mix ups but they ended up sending me an extra mag to make up for it and customer service was easy to deal with and very helpful.
basically whoever is putting the stuff in the boxes needs some help but other than that all went well with them with quality of product and helpfullness of customer service. |
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Bought a 16" CMMG rifle about 6 months ago. When the dealer recieved it from the factory it was missing the front sight post. He hadn't had a chance to get the post installed before I came in, and I got a deal on it.
That said, after getting the sight post installed it has been one of the most reliable rifles ive ever fired. Especially for the price I paid. |
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In summer of 2008 I got a 14.5" middy a rare / non-existent config in the industry at that time which I thought I just had to have. And I'm glad I got it 'cause I love the way it handles. It ran fine for casual shooting in the cool indoor range, but the chamber was not true to spec 5.56 NATO and I was having some problems with blown primers with hotter ammo / extended shooting sessions outside. Had the chamber reamed with a Ned Christiansen 5.56 NATO chamber reamer, which removed a LOT of material from the chamber, and it's been Good-To-Go ever since. No other real experience or customer service problems since I got it from a vendor, not directly from CMMG. These days there are so many other better (IMHO) options out there BCM, DD, Spikes, et al. I bought a CMMG barrel 16 inch M4 type and mounted it on a rifle. Low powered .223 spec ammo worked fine but higher power brass ammo would stick in the chamber and steel cased ammo was impossible to shoot. I emailed them explaining my problems. Their response was that steel ammo voided their waranty so basically don't bother them. I tried explaining that I understood the warranty but higher pressure brass ammo wouldn't shoot either. They didn't care. I never tried having the chamber reamed but I believe that was the problem. I think that I had a TIGHT .223 chamber and NOT a 5.56 chamber...as it was stamped. I was unhappy so I got rid of it. Before I got rid of it, I did buy a CMMG lower and have mounted a Stag Arms upper on it and it has worked fine. I've been pleased with their lowers but would never purchase anything with one of their barrels. I was mildly irritated about their "don't give a shit" attitude with my problem with the barrel, so I don't spend money there any more. There are plenty of other good companies out there that would like my money and will try to make me happy so I don't need CMMG. |
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Quoted: I bought a CMMG barrel 16 inch M4 type and mounted it on a rifle. Low powered .223 spec ammo worked fine but higher power brass ammo would stick in the chamber and steel cased ammo was impossible to shoot. I emailed them explaining my problems. Their response was that steel ammo voided their waranty so basically don't bother them. I tried explaining that I understood the warranty but higher pressure brass ammo wouldn't shoot either. They didn't care. I bought my upper around the same time as you, and had very similar problems. Customer service was none existent condescending and rude. Anyway I spent some time troubleshooting the upper, and in the end traced all of the extraction and short stroking to an out of spec bolt carrier. There are visible burrs and bad machining marks on the carrier, this should have never passed QC. I replaced the carrier, and the upper function great now. I wonder if CMMG had a run of bad carriers during that time period and instead of addressing the problem simply hid behind the steel cased ammo voids the warranty bullshit.
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Thanks and good looking out DAC1984! 
Do you have a link for the BCM you could share? BCM Standard 14.5" M4 Carbine Upper Receiver Group w/ Permanent A2X Flash Hider (16.1"): $449.00 link BCM Bolt Carrier Group (MPI) - Auto: $139.95 link BCM AR15 Charging Handle: $22.95 link Total cost: $611.90 (not including shipping) IMHO a much higher quality upper for only a little more money. |
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