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Posted: 9/9/2006 5:09:05 AM EDT
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http://www.cmore.com/sights.html Any one have any experience with this sight? It comes highly recommended by a Helo Pilot friend of mine who has one on the M4 he carried (and is about to carry again) in Afganistan. Here is a copy of his email to me. CLASSIFICATION: UNCLASSIFIED//FOUO//ORCON Here's a few quick suggestions/findings on the AR-15 scope: Correct on the Aimpoint...only one dot size, SMALL...and its not very bright in bright sunlight. Trijicon/triangle: too dim...maybe their powered series would be better, but the standard ones are too hard to see in the desert. My favorite: C-MORE ATAC...adjustable dot size (1/4' moa up to 16' (yep, sixteen which is what I am currently using)) albeit via a $30 module you have to change out. Only drawback in your case is that it includes an A2-type BUIS (which you already have) and because of its base it is probably a bit heavier than a holo-sight/BUIS in two separate pieces. Nice is that is goes on/off like a regular carry handle. Will write more when I get a chance. |
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I have the same C-more sight your buddy recommends. I bought it in 2001, when it was one of the first good red dot scopes out there. It's fine. A breakdown: Pros - the dot is very easy to see, as it's on a glass window all by itself. No looking down a toilet paper tube like the Aimpoint. It allow for a higher face positon on the stock, so you get a wider field of view. It comes with a built in A2 sight, and one that you can install Trijicon night sight rears, which you can't easily do on other BUIS. It has a build in mount too. Cons - The glass isn't very well protected, unlike say the EOTech. It would be eaiser to break, or get slimed up with mud and dust. The glass is just a reflecting surface for the red dot, which is projected from a LED towards the stock. If mud or crud got on the LED, it would prevent the dot from showing up. Also, the LED faces the enemy, so you can see it if you're very close, or have NOD's from a way away. Summary: for civilian type use, home defense, range work, it's fine, but I wouldn't want one for combat ops. The EOTech is better, and costs about the same. I'd get what I got - a N battery EOTech from DSArms, for about 300 bucks, and get the GGG mount. |
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Thanks... Here's some more comments from my pilot friend CLASSIFICATION: UNCLASSIFIED//FOUO//ORCON One thing about the C-MORE ATAC is that it is pretty tough and has a low profile...the EOTECH is nice (I used one for a month or so in Iraq) but it has a rather high profile and gets hit a lot as does the Aimpoint. I had a 2xAA (as opposed to 2xN size batteries) model...would have preferred the N-size model as it it quite a bit shorter and N batteries were actually easier to get than AAs in Iraq but that was just a supply goof up...I don't think it would normally be true. Our ACOGs were OK; every 3rd or 4th guy in an infantry company gets an ACOG (others have M68 Aimpoints) to give them a longer range capability...the ACOGs didn't seem to have a reticle brightness problem like the reflex models with the red or orange triangular 'dots'. |
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At the risk of making this my very own thread I will add the latest correspondence from my Army pilot friend. Still interested in anyone’s experience but based on this I think I’m going to try one. CLASSIFICATION: UNCLASSIFIED//FOUO//ORCON I think the ATAC is designed a little differently than the railway...maybe not but I abused the heck out of mine...the lens housing ring is all dinged, dented and scratched but I never damaged the lens itself. Every once in a while I would notice the dot looked funny and dirt can get on the diode lens, but it always wiped off and I never damaged the diode itself. |
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I would have loved to have a Cmore Tactical that is as durable as the one you buddy has. Mine seems to lose its zero a lot. Just last night, I have permanently ruined it by twisting its locking screws and adjustment screws once too often.  The adjustment screw broke. Plus the fact that I have already managed to crack its plastic housing doing the same thing (over tightening the screws) in the past. I love the overall design of the CTac. The fact that it has a BUIS with it and mounts like a regular CH. But alas mine will be relegated to a Cmore cut carry handle BUIS.
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| I am currently in Iraq, for the second time, and have seen a lot of different sights used by soldiers over here. I have seen a lot of C-Mores this time as units have bought them as well as soldiers purchasing them. Most of the soldiers I have spoken to about it, say they like the C-Mores more then the EO Techs. I have never known anyone to have a problem with them. That said, My brothers police department loves their EO Techs. Having seen both in combat, I would say you would be fine with either one. |
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My big concern with it is the exposed red beam that comes from the LED to the round glass reticle. Any mud or dirt that gets on the LED face would prevent you from seeing the red dot. And the glass isn't very protected. For civilian use, it would be fine - short duration, out of the safe or under the bed deployment. I would be hesitant myself to go on a combat tour with it. Oh and replacing the battery is a pain. It's watch type, and you have to pry it up and out, hoping you don't break something. It was great for it's time - 2001, and if you have one already, it's fine, but I wouldn't buy one now in lieu of either the Aimpoint or (my rec) EOTech N battery. |
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eye_spy: All you have to do is to send your c-more back to the factory and they will replace the plastic body and the broken screws. Great guys to work with. The last time I sent them something, I sent the body to a c-more scout, which I had taken off the mount for the carry handle. I wanted a rail mount and I needed the cracked body replaced. I see the rail mounts listed on other sites for about $57. I sent the unit back to the factory and enclosed a note telling them what I wanted done, which was to replace the plastic body as I had over-tightened the hold down screw for windage or elevation - can't remember which, and I also told them to add one of the rail mounts so I could attach the c-more directly to a weaver mount. They charged me like $80 to do all of that, and I got it back looking like new. I have purchased those screws that I break from over-torqueing like you did, and they are inexpensive. I keep a couple extra in case I get carried away in the future. I used to use OKO's but there is no support or parts available for them. I used Eotech's but I did not like the sight reticle and thought they were too bulky and I did not like having to keep pushing the little buttons to increase or decrease the brightness of the reticle. All I use now or the C-More's. Great sight, great customer support, accurate, and pretty solid. I dropped a rifle with a C-more on it onto the concrete garage floor. The weapon landed upside down with the C-More getting slammed into the concrete. That did not even change the impact point on the sight. Charles Tatum Alamo Professional Arms |
Charles, Thank's for the heads up. I will seriously consider doing what you recommended.  The only thing is, I find it quite embarrasing the way I have screwed up my Cmore!  The guys there will certainly go - WTF?  .....  But I guess paying for a new body and other replacement screws is still much cheaper than purchasing a new optic.  Thanks again. Rene |
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Is this something new...Looks like C-more is making an Aluminum cased version now. alum C-more at Midway USA  I don't see it listed on C-more's home page, but that sure looks like a metal casing. Since the sights on my FN Tacical Police Shotgun were originaly designed with the C-more in mind. I might have to reconsider this sight. I'd blown it off when I originaly purchased my FN-TPS because of the plastic factor, but a metal cased version might be just the ticket. Runs on a 3 volt lithium battery for up to 1500 hours of continuous use. Things that make you go Hmmmmm. |
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm .... alright!
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