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Posted: 2/8/2015 10:52:10 AM EDT
| Any one have comments /experience with a C More Tactical AR optic? |
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I had a bitter/sweet experience with the optic a little over 10 years ago so the caveat is: maybe they've made some improvements since then.
TL;DR version: format is fantastic. Thing is rugged; more so than it looks. Zeroing adjustments and the required tools are a PITA. |
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Don't waste your money. The cmore tactical optic failed in every way. If you are looking for a serious use RDS sight, get an Aimpoint. If you are a plinker, there are many cheap chi-com rds's out there... There are quite a few other choices between Aimpoint and cheap Chi-Com. You, sir, are too much the fanboy. Not knocking Aimpoint, or disagreeing with your assessment of C-More, merely suggesting your zeal has caused you to seriously overrun your position. |
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I have a half dozen premium red dot scopes and I have to say for the money the Metro Tru-dot RDS is playing way above its pricing. yes you might have to wait for one but is worth it.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_124/651801_Mepro_TRU_DOT_RDS___New_military_grade_reflex_sight_.html |
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Quoted: There are quite a few other choices between Aimpoint and cheap Chi-Com. You, sir, are too much the fanboy. Not knocking Aimpoint, or disagreeing with your assessment of C-More, merely suggesting your zeal has caused you to seriously overrun your position. Quoted: Quoted: Don't waste your money. The cmore tactical optic failed in every way. If you are looking for a serious use RDS sight, get an Aimpoint. If you are a plinker, there are many cheap chi-com rds's out there... There are quite a few other choices between Aimpoint and cheap Chi-Com. You, sir, are too much the fanboy. Not knocking Aimpoint, or disagreeing with your assessment of C-More, merely suggesting your zeal has caused you to seriously overrun your position. |
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Not a fanboy. Just a serious user with 25+ years of experience with the AR15 platform and have used many optics in that time. The only RDS that has proven itself above all others is the Aimpoint. Go attend 65+ serious carbine classes over a period of many years and you too will see which RDS optics work as well as the multitude that fail Quoted:
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Don't waste your money. The cmore tactical optic failed in every way. If you are looking for a serious use RDS sight, get an Aimpoint. If you are a plinker, there are many cheap chi-com rds's out there... There are quite a few other choices between Aimpoint and cheap Chi-Com. You, sir, are too much the fanboy. Not knocking Aimpoint, or disagreeing with your assessment of C-More, merely suggesting your zeal has caused you to seriously overrun your position. Stunningly narrow minded. Please tell us which other CURRENT red dots you have used extensively. I could care less what you used 25 years ago or "over many (perhaps distant) years".The optics market, including red dot sights, is not static. Rather, it is fluid and dynamic. Define the brands and specific models which constitute the "all others" in you comparison, and the models of Aimpoint you used for your comparison. I like Aimpoint, too, but fanboy enthusiasm does not serve your cause well. Defend your position with specific facts. |
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There are quite a few other choices between Aimpoint and cheap Chi-Com. You, sir, are too much the fanboy. Not knocking Aimpoint, or disagreeing with your assessment of C-More, merely suggesting your zeal has caused you to seriously overrun your position. Quoted:
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Don't waste your money. The cmore tactical optic failed in every way. If you are looking for a serious use RDS sight, get an Aimpoint. If you are a plinker, there are many cheap chi-com rds's out there... There are quite a few other choices between Aimpoint and cheap Chi-Com. You, sir, are too much the fanboy. Not knocking Aimpoint, or disagreeing with your assessment of C-More, merely suggesting your zeal has caused you to seriously overrun your position. How is he a fan boy? What other choices are there for a serious red dot sight between Aimpoint and cheap Chi-Com? |
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Quoted: Stunningly narrow minded. Please tell us which other CURRENT red dots you have used extensively. I could care less what you used 25 years ago or "over many (perhaps distant) years".The optics market, including red dot sights, is not static. Rather, it is fluid and dynamic. Define the brands and specific models which constitute the "all others" in you comparison, and the models of Aimpoint you used for your comparison. I like Aimpoint, too, but fanboy enthusiasm does not serve your cause well. Defend your position with specific facts. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Don't waste your money. The cmore tactical optic failed in every way. If you are looking for a serious use RDS sight, get an Aimpoint. If you are a plinker, there are many cheap chi-com rds's out there... There are quite a few other choices between Aimpoint and cheap Chi-Com. You, sir, are too much the fanboy. Not knocking Aimpoint, or disagreeing with your assessment of C-More, merely suggesting your zeal has caused you to seriously overrun your position. Stunningly narrow minded. Please tell us which other CURRENT red dots you have used extensively. I could care less what you used 25 years ago or "over many (perhaps distant) years".The optics market, including red dot sights, is not static. Rather, it is fluid and dynamic. Define the brands and specific models which constitute the "all others" in you comparison, and the models of Aimpoint you used for your comparison. I like Aimpoint, too, but fanboy enthusiasm does not serve your cause well. Defend your position with specific facts. If you honestly believe that there is currently another rds sight in the market today that is at the same tier level as Aimpoint, you are mistaken. While new ones are released every year by the competition, none have proven themselves to be an equal to AImpoint. Not to say that it will not happen one day (I've got an LCO unit on the way from Leupold to evaluate), but until then, Aimpoint is the choice for serious users. If yopu haven;t seen the Daniel Defense M4 Torture Test video and what the rifle and Aimpoint sight went thru and survived, I suggest you do. Rather than make "armchair" comments about how other rds sight compare, I suggest you sign up and attend some serious carbine classes from folks such as Larry Vickers, Pat McNamara, etc. At classes where 800+ rounds are shot in a day, that's where one will see which rds sights work and which ones fail. Of course you know what they say about arguing with......nevermind....outta here........... |
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Please learn to read. Not what I used 25 years ago, my opinion is based on 25 years of experience using a number of different optics. I learned quickly that while ok for gun games and plinkers, the cheap chi-com (an other) low end rds sights would not hold up to serious use. Aimpoints do. I've used Aimpoints dating back to the Comp series (Comp, ML2, ML3, M4, H1 and H2). You sound like a casual user who probably puts less than 5k rounds thru your rifle each year. I typically shoot 20k+ (between two rifles and yes, replace barrels from time to time). This is due to weekly training sessions, attending classes, and putting on classes for others. If you honestly believe that there is currently another rds sight in the market today that is at the same tier level as Aimpoint, you are mistaken. While new ones are released every year by the competition, none have proven themselves to be an equal to AImpoint. Not to say that it will not happen one day (I've got an LCO unit on the way from Leupold to evaluate), but until then, Aimpoint is the choice for serious users. If yopu haven;t seen the Daniel Defense M4 Torture Test video and what the rifle and Aimpoint sight went thru and survived, I suggest you do. Rather than make "armchair" comments about how other rds sight compare, I suggest you sign up and attend some serious carbine classes from folks such as Larry Vickers, Pat McNamara, etc. At classes where 800+ rounds are shot in a day, that's where one will see which rds sights work and which ones fail. Of course you know what they say about arguing with......nevermind....outta here........... Quoted:
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Don't waste your money. The cmore tactical optic failed in every way. If you are looking for a serious use RDS sight, get an Aimpoint. If you are a plinker, there are many cheap chi-com rds's out there... There are quite a few other choices between Aimpoint and cheap Chi-Com. You, sir, are too much the fanboy. Not knocking Aimpoint, or disagreeing with your assessment of C-More, merely suggesting your zeal has caused you to seriously overrun your position. Stunningly narrow minded. Please tell us which other CURRENT red dots you have used extensively. I could care less what you used 25 years ago or "over many (perhaps distant) years".The optics market, including red dot sights, is not static. Rather, it is fluid and dynamic. Define the brands and specific models which constitute the "all others" in you comparison, and the models of Aimpoint you used for your comparison. I like Aimpoint, too, but fanboy enthusiasm does not serve your cause well. Defend your position with specific facts. If you honestly believe that there is currently another rds sight in the market today that is at the same tier level as Aimpoint, you are mistaken. While new ones are released every year by the competition, none have proven themselves to be an equal to AImpoint. Not to say that it will not happen one day (I've got an LCO unit on the way from Leupold to evaluate), but until then, Aimpoint is the choice for serious users. If yopu haven;t seen the Daniel Defense M4 Torture Test video and what the rifle and Aimpoint sight went thru and survived, I suggest you do. Rather than make "armchair" comments about how other rds sight compare, I suggest you sign up and attend some serious carbine classes from folks such as Larry Vickers, Pat McNamara, etc. At classes where 800+ rounds are shot in a day, that's where one will see which rds sights work and which ones fail. Of course you know what they say about arguing with......nevermind....outta here........... Unresponsive answer. I am not the one with a reading comprehension issue. Please answer the question posed, sir. I'm looking for your current experience with actual military and duty grade competitors to Aimpoint, or even those that may be a step down, but not cheap Chi-Com. Your frame of reference is what is at issue. I do not question the quality and durability of Aimpoint. I do question you blowing off every other option as if they are "cheap Chi-Com." You've generalized and overrun your position. I've seen the DD test. A sample of one. Very impressive, but a sample of one. There is a sample of one "torture test" of a Primary Arms red dot that is pretty impressive, but I am not fool enough to equate the two. The only other example you give of a non-Aimpoint is the "on the way" LCO from Leupold. I'm interested in that too, but have not actually laid hands on one. I'm probably going to try one of their DeltaPoint Pro reflex sights when released later this year to nestle between the turrets of a Leupold VX-R Patrol 3-9x40 scope, to perhaps eliminate the need for a primary RDS alltogether. I don't know and would not attempt to predict the outcome of that. The technology is very promising, the ruggediizing of it looks solid and that plus some changed features such as a battery tray and a true "off" button, address my previous criticism of the reflex, but that is not experience, is it? But, it may represent a more comparable RDS to the C-More, depending on the unknown mission of OP, who may not even be looking for a duty grade RDS. But these examples evade the question posed: What other current RDS optics are you using to support the superiority statement for Aimpoint over the entire RDS industry, based on your personal experience? Let's discuss specifics. Waiting, sir . . . |
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