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Posted: 7/11/2011 5:55:18 PM EDT
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Hello all,
Yesterday I replaced my MOE carbine length handguards with a cheap $30 rail I grabbed at the gun show (mostly because someone gave me a VFG that I wanted to use haha) and I installed it but I seem to be having an issue with its fit. The back of the rail pieces fit just fine into the delta ring but towards the front of the rail, they don't close as tight because the handguard cap fits snug right inside the end of the rail. In pictures, I have seen others with similar rails and their handguard caps are just outside the rail. Here are some pics: Here you can see that the rail gets wider the further forward you get... that's because it's not tightened down as much as the rear (due to the handguard cap being in the way) http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/281583_10150232153845766_628350765_7854397_2624300_n.jpg In this one, you can see the cap JUST inside the handguards. Are these guards too long for my setup? http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/284098_10150232153280766_628350765_7854395_1479484_n.jpg I hope someone can shed some light because this is gonna bother me until I fix it or put my MOE back on lol! Thanks in advance |
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I have the same rails on my colt, for the price there surprisingly very good.
On that note, mine don't have that "bulge" problem. I will get a pic later tonight, but they are supposed to go over the H/G cap and tighten down. Are you sure you have them tight enough in front? |
| Just guessing but you rail numbers are going backwards which makes me think you have the rails backwards and upside down providing they are numbered correctly. T numbers on top, L numbers on left, R numbers on right, and they start smaller from the receiver forward. Your L2 is by your front sight and the L14 is by the delta ring. If numbered properly it should go the other way. |
| Take the handguard off and keep the cap for your MOE. A non freefloat handguard like the one you have must have an attachment point at the FSB. If removing the handguard cap put something like a YHM lightweight, Troy TRX or Daniel Defense on the gun later. Attach a picatinny rail to the MOE HG and run it that way until you decide you want a freefloat. |
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so free floaters are the way to go, huh? they're just so damn expensive To "fit in" on arfcom yes. You don't have to spend a lot of money on one, and there honestly not really needed unless it's for a precision build. Search the EE as much as you can. I've paid $40 for a Midwest industries 12" 2-piece free float, and $75 for a Vltor Casv in the last 3-4months. |
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Unless you are installing it wrong... then the reason they dont fit is because they cost $30 bucks and were made in china where things like tolerances and quality control are unheard of.
Not saying that you have to buy a $200 rail.. but you cant expect every single $30 chicom knockoff part you buy to work right... there is a reason they only cost $30 bucks you know 
ETA if you MUST buy "budget" parts... at least buy from Primary Arms... they have an in house chicom brand that they will stand behind... if i buy chinese stuff i buy it from Primary Arms and nowhere else. |
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take the cap off.. with your rail. it does nothing.. it is meant to hold your stock hand guard Wrong, if you take the cap off, the handquards won't stay on. it's designed to clamp at the outside of the handguard cap?? wtf? it indeed is pretty crappy design. |
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wrong.. chinese make plenty of good stuff.. difficult to fly into orbit with bad manufacturing.
just as if american company made a $5 item, it would suck, chinese made $5 item also suck.. you can only make something so good with $5. do not confuse chinese selling cheap things with their actual capability do make something good. there is nothing inherent about being Chinese nor their manufacturing capability that limits make a precision metal parts. (added) here is a good example of how america is capable of total crap as well: (they can make good cars as well as bad cars.. being made in America and bad is not mutually exclusive) Forbes made a list of the worst cars on the road, and all but three of the models on the list are made by American companies. The Dodge Dakota and Chevy Tahoe Hybrid made the list, which include representatives from every American manufacturer but Ford Quoted:
Unless you are installing it wrong... then the reason they dont fit is because they cost $30 bucks and were made in china where things like tolerances and quality control are unheard of. Not saying that you have to buy a $200 rail.. but you cant expect every single $30 chicom knockoff part you buy to work right... there is a reason they only cost $30 bucks you know
ETA if you MUST buy "budget" parts... at least buy from Primary Arms... they have an in house chicom brand that they will stand behind... if i buy chinese stuff i buy it from Primary Arms and nowhere else. |
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http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr95/logane09/100_4957.jpg http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr95/logane09/100_4958.jpg Larue VFG on a Chicom drop-in rail? The horror! 
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wrong.. chinese make plenty of good stuff.. difficult to fly into orbit with bad manufacturing. just as if american company made a $5 item, it would suck, chinese made $5 item also suck.. you can only make something so good with $5. do not confuse chinese selling cheap things with their actual capability do make something good. there is nothing inherent about being Chinese nor their manufacturing capability that limits make a precision metal parts. (added) here is a good example of how america is capable of total crap as well: (they can make good cars as well as bad cars.. being made in America and bad is not mutually exclusive) Forbes made a list of the worst cars on the road, and all but three of the models on the list are made by American companies. The Dodge Dakota and Chevy Tahoe Hybrid made the list, which include representatives from every American manufacturer but Ford Quoted:
Unless you are installing it wrong... then the reason they dont fit is because they cost $30 bucks and were made in china where things like tolerances and quality control are unheard of. Not saying that you have to buy a $200 rail.. but you cant expect every single $30 chicom knockoff part you buy to work right... there is a reason they only cost $30 bucks you know
ETA if you MUST buy "budget" parts... at least buy from Primary Arms... they have an in house chicom brand that they will stand behind... if i buy chinese stuff i buy it from Primary Arms and nowhere else. Cheap Chinese airsoft rails are not spaceships or cars, have a bit of perspective... just sayin. |
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You dont need a free float unless you are going to mount a bipod and want as much accuracy as possible. A used KAC RAS or DD EZ Carbine rail will do you fine and are quality units that will not make you go broke. This is true, but I would like to have a folding front sight... to my knowledge, a carbine rail won't exactly cover the chopped FSB (which I would want since I don't really have the means to make it look pretty). So in that respect, I'm thinking free float is the best route. |
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I think I paid $35 for my Magpul handguard...Obviously it's a POS too! Just because something is $30 doesn't mean it's a POS. The original M-16 handguards are $16. Some people would like the attachment points without the cost of a FF handguard.
Look at the guards very closely. It does look like you might have this installed backwards with the number on the rails going down as you go forward. Usually not the case. Also, examine the top and bottom and see if they need a triangle front plate or a circular...Or, it may work with both. Magpul works with both. Chinese...You are worried about this one part made in China??? You would not want to know how much of the stuff you buy comes from there...It might be resold by a US vendor...However most parts do come from China. Cheap labor! ETA: I agree with the Magpul vertical grip...I have the screw on and not the rail...Super! |
If covering a carbine length gas system the Troy TRX 9" forearm will work perfectly. My 10.5" SBR has a carbine gas length with a chopped FSB and the rail runs exactly to the end of it.
Remove muzzle device, tap two pins out of the FSB, remove delta assembly, install troy barrel nut, put chopped FSB back on gun, install forearm, reattach muzzle device, shoot. $139 at Primary Arms |
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yah.. of course not..
no doubt, in the end, it's money waste.. Quoted:
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wrong.. chinese make plenty of good stuff.. difficult to fly into orbit with bad manufacturing. just as if american company made a $5 item, it would suck, chinese made $5 item also suck.. you can only make something so good with $5. do not confuse chinese selling cheap things with their actual capability do make something good. there is nothing inherent about being Chinese nor their manufacturing capability that limits make a precision metal parts. (added) here is a good example of how america is capable of total crap as well: (they can make good cars as well as bad cars.. being made in America and bad is not mutually exclusive) Forbes made a list of the worst cars on the road, and all but three of the models on the list are made by American companies. The Dodge Dakota and Chevy Tahoe Hybrid made the list, which include representatives from every American manufacturer but Ford Quoted:
Unless you are installing it wrong... then the reason they dont fit is because they cost $30 bucks and were made in china where things like tolerances and quality control are unheard of. Not saying that you have to buy a $200 rail.. but you cant expect every single $30 chicom knockoff part you buy to work right... there is a reason they only cost $30 bucks you know
ETA if you MUST buy "budget" parts... at least buy from Primary Arms... they have an in house chicom brand that they will stand behind... if i buy chinese stuff i buy it from Primary Arms and nowhere else. Cheap Chinese airsoft rails are not spaceships or cars, have a bit of perspective... just sayin. |
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i want to say that magpul is a great exception to the rule.. that's why so many people love it, right?
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I think I paid $35 for my Magpul handguard...Obviously it's a POS too! Just because something is $30 doesn't mean it's a POS. The original M-16 handguards are $16. Some people would like the attachment points without the cost of a FF handguard. Look at the guards very closely. It does look like you might have this installed backwards with the number on the rails going down as you go forward. Usually not the case. Also, examine the top and bottom and see if they need a triangle front plate or a circular...Or, it may work with both. Magpul works with both. Chinese...You are worried about this one part made in China??? You would not want to know how much of the stuff you buy comes from there...It might be resold by a US vendor...However most parts do come from China. Cheap labor! ETA: I agree with the Magpul vertical grip...I have the screw on and not the rail...Super! |
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that's a sweet setup.
i can't wait to get my SBR .. it's taking sooooooooo long... Quoted:
If covering a carbine length gas system the Troy TRX 9" forearm will work perfectly. My 10.5" SBR has a carbine gas length with a chopped FSB and the rail runs exactly to the end of it. http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn346/gunguyshots/P7040002.jpg Remove muzzle device, tap two pins out of the FSB, remove delta assembly, install troy barrel nut, put chopped FSB back on gun, install forearm, reattach muzzle device, shoot. $139 at Primary Arms |
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http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr95/logane09/100_4957.jpg http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr95/logane09/100_4958.jpg Larue VFG on a Chicom drop-in rail? The horror! The rail does it's job. I'm not complaining. |
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I think I paid $35 for my Magpul handguard...Obviously it's a POS too! Just because something is $30 doesn't mean it's a POS. The original M-16 handguards are $16. Some people would like the attachment points without the cost of a FF handguard. Their not exactly cheap though, considering their plastic. Look at the guards very closely. It does look like you might have this installed backwards with the number on the rails going down as you go forward. Their the correct way, look at my pic. Also, examine the top and bottom and see if they need a triangle front plate or a circular...It's a round cap Or, it may work with both. |
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