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4/16/2012 7:38:59 AM EDT
Just took two AR's I built to the range yesterday. I used the Federal Bulk XM855 5.56 green tipped ammo. Most of the time, it went bang when I pulled the trigger; as I fired more and more rounds through the rifles it operated more reliably with only a few duds.

I would take the duds, check the primer (it was indented, and it was more than just a little dimple), then reload for another go. Most of them went bang the second time.

Sadly I did not have another box of ammo to check it against. About 5 of them were actually duds that wouldn't go bang. Anyone have similar experiences with this ammo? Is this to be expected?

I've used 50+ year old Greek HXP 30-06 without any issues.

Suggestions?

4/16/2012 8:41:53 AM EDT
[#1]
First thing to do is check the orientation of the hammer spring.  Note that the legs of the hammer spring come from underneath and rest on top of the trigger pin.
4/16/2012 9:00:55 AM EDT
[#2]
The rifles aren't in front of me right now; but I am 95% certain that the hammer spring is indeed resting on top of the trigger pin. Would this cause any mechanical malfunctions during function testing?
4/16/2012 9:03:36 AM EDT
[#3]
Check and see if your firing pin is floating freely in the bolt. Sometimes grease is in the firing pin channel and it will gum up limiting it travel of the firing pin.
4/16/2012 10:07:20 AM EDT
[#4]
When I remove the bolt from the upper action, should the firing pin be loosely moving around? If I tilt it towards the bolt face will the firing pin protrude from its hole?

Should I not lubricate the firing pin then? I am used to the M1 which does not recommend greasing the firing pin. The AR is new to me. Should I use CLP on it for lubrication?
4/16/2012 10:26:59 AM EDT
[#5]
Quoted:
When I remove the bolt from the upper action, should the firing pin be loosely moving around? yes If I tilt it towards the bolt face will the firing pin protrude from its hole? only with the bolt pushed all the way into the carrier

Should I not lubricate the firing pin then?I don't lube mine at all.  If you choose to, do so only very very lightly, like one drop. I am used to the M1 which does not recommend greasing the firing pin. The AR is new to me. Should I use CLP on it for lubrication?unless you have another modern lube you prefer, that's a good one to start with


4/16/2012 10:41:49 AM EDT
[#6]
Thanks guys. I am going to double check the hammer spring. I will take pictures of it when I get a chance.

4/16/2012 10:48:23 AM EDT
[#7]
Quoted:
First thing to do is check the orientation of the hammer spring.  Note that the legs of the hammer spring come from underneath and rest on top of the trigger pin.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v503/AR15forme/IMG_5660.jpg


Came to post this, but I didn't have such a great photo.  
A friend of mine had the exact same issue.  He had the hammer spring installed wrong.  
Very easy to do, we compared it to my build and it was easy to spot, flipped it around at the range and every round went bang after the swap.
4/16/2012 10:55:41 AM EDT
[#8]
Quoted:
Quoted:
First thing to do is check the orientation of the hammer spring.  Note that the legs of the hammer spring come from underneath and rest on top of the trigger pin.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v503/AR15forme/IMG_5660.jpg


Came to post this, but I didn't have such a great photo.  
A friend of mine had the exact same issue.  He had the hammer spring installed wrong.  
Very easy to do, we compared it to my build and it was easy to spot, flipped it around at the range and every round went bang after the swap.


I second this.  Not only did not every round go bang, but my trigger pin kept walking out on me.  Felt like an ass when I figured out my mistake, but its an easy fix....and life goes on.

4/16/2012 11:02:29 AM EDT
[#9]
I will double check it; but I am fairly positive the spring is in correctly. If I have made such a silly mistake I will certainly face palm myself and let everyone know.

Thanks for the info guys. Could very well be my dumb ass mistake,
4/16/2012 11:34:05 AM EDT
[#10]
Perhaps a silly question but would the direction I put the trigger and hammer pins in make a difference? I put them in left to right, but the pins have those two grooves in them? Would their orientation effect anything?

4/16/2012 11:45:50 AM EDT
[#11]
Quoted:
Perhaps a silly question but would the direction I put the trigger and hammer pins in make a difference? I put them in left to right, but the pins have those two grooves in them? Would their orientation effect anything?



Left to right shouldn't matter. But some are hammer specific and trigger specific, and some don't matter. If the groove is in the middle its for the hammer, if the groove is towards an end its for the trigger. If the pin has both sets of grooves it doesn't matter. (sounds like thats what you have)
4/16/2012 11:49:50 AM EDT
[#12]
Yeah, both had the same two grooves. Thanks for the info.
4/17/2012 4:02:10 AM EDT
[#13]
Spring was indeed in upside down. Thanks guys.
4/17/2012 7:09:20 AM EDT
[#14]
If it still does it just replace the spring.
4/17/2012 9:04:28 AM EDT
[#15]
Quoted:
Spring was indeed in upside down. Thanks guys.


Nice, easy fix!
4/17/2012 9:08:23 AM EDT
[#16]
Yeah it was one of those easy to overlook things that I thought I was "too good" for. Lesson learned.
4/17/2012 1:19:05 PM EDT
[#17]
Quoted:
Yeah it was one of those easy to overlook things that I thought I was "too good" for. Lesson learned.


You learn by doing and making small mistakes. Each time something like that happens and you fix it, you learn things that will be a big asset in the future if something goes wrong.
Glad it wasn't something really complicated.

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