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Posted: 9/28/2014 5:54:52 PM EDT
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Ive got one of these cheap Barska brand carry handle scopes on one of my carbines. I kinda like the retro look, but dang it the optics just dont have much to brag about.
There is a ring at the rear that if you dont tighten it down, it basically will get out of focus real easy. However, when you tighten it down, it zooms down to what appears to be < 1X WTH ? Do the older Colt 4X scopes do this? |
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Same here... no complaints with the Colt marked scopes. On the other hand, the Chinese copies seem to have issues like you describe and I have personally seen one that would not hold zero. Absolutely. I have a 4x20 Hakko Blue Ring [Made in Japan], and it's a fabulous scope. The Chinese stuff, "may" be good now. But at one time, the Chinese made variants were all well known for not holding zero. |
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A time machine... They're all made in China. Gunbroker or eBay would be places to start looking. Quoted:
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Where can you get a good hakko 4x? If you figue that out let me know as well  A time machine... They're all made in China. Gunbroker or eBay would be places to start looking. I look daily.... I haven't found anything yet, got a few leads on Colt 4x20 scopes though. |
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Don't know if you guy have seen this one yet...
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/webBBS/parts.cgi?read=340089 |
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Don't know if you guy have seen this one yet... http://www.sturmgewehr.com/webBBS/parts.cgi?read=340089 Yep, I contacted the seller and offered him $225 after I saw the pictures, it's missing a cap but otherwise is in good shape. I'm waiting on his resposnse, I figure if he sells it to me for that price, I can buy a cheapo knockoff and steal the windage cap off that and put it on the Colt. |
| Shouldn't be too difficult or take too long to locate a Colt 3x20 or 4x20 Hakko made in Japan scope from all the usual sources. All depends on your budget and the condition of the scope and if it has the accessories, caps/box/lens cloth/paperwork. $200 seems to be the floor unless you get real lucky and the ceiling for a like new with everything scope could go $400 from what I'v seen. The average these days seems to be hovering at $300 for a good condition Colt scope. It might take five or six tries before you find a Chinese mfg scope that sort of works, by then you could of bought the real thing, a Colt, and saved yourself a lot of frustration. |
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Absolutely. I have a 4x20 Hakko Blue Ring [Made in Japan], and it's a fabulous scope. The Chinese stuff, "may" be good now. But at one time, the Chinese made variants were all well known for not holding zero. Quoted:
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Same here... no complaints with the Colt marked scopes. On the other hand, the Chinese copies seem to have issues like you describe and I have personally seen one that would not hold zero. Absolutely. I have a 4x20 Hakko Blue Ring [Made in Japan], and it's a fabulous scope. The Chinese stuff, "may" be good now. But at one time, the Chinese made variants were all well known for not holding zero. The Chinese are getting better at reverse engineering! |
| Just checked GB and there are three Colt Hakko Japan scopes listed, two 4x20 and one 3x20. A 4x20 started at $.01 with no reserve and is now up to $255 with a couple days to go. I have no connection with any of the items/sellers. As for the Chinese Colt knockoff scopes, either older or current production, it's a case of do you feel lucky. |
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Just checked GB and there are three Colt Hakko Japan scopes listed, two 4x20 and one 3x20. A 4x20 started at $.01 with no reserve and is now up to $255 with a couple days to go. I have no connection with any of the items/sellers. As for the Chinese Colt knockoff scopes, either older or current production, it's a case of do you feel lucky. What did you use for the keyword? Or better yet how about a link? |
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When I got my first AR, it came with an unmarked 4x scope. The sheet it came with had no manufacturing logo. I have no clue what it is. It works really well though. I have gotten some decent groups with it. However, it is not tight on all AR's I've tried. It's really loose on my A2. I had it mounted to an A1 once, but used shims. But it worked great on there. I've had it on a removable carry handle and it was tight on that. The glass is not that great, but it IS clear and it works. I don't know if the BDC works well or not. I've never used it past 100.
But I do like the scope I think 3x would be better though. And the only other bummer is the eye relief is pretty close and small. 
that day shooting 
I shimmed it with an aluminum can this time: 
but it was some of the best groups I've got from a non free floated non match barrel. And consistent. 
I got some MOA and acceptable groups with different ammo that day. I would not hesitate to try one if it came up for a decent price. It would probably be best on a carbine though, with an adjustable buttstock to get the right eye placement. I think mine is probably a hakko, it had no colt markings or markings of any kind on it. But man it looks a lot like one. |
| Key word for a GB search I used was Colt scope, used the same to search Ebay and came up with a couple listed. All the Hakko scopes I'v ever seen are marked either Colt or ArmaLite, (AR18/180) with different mounting system, they will be marked Japan and some may have a serial number as my ArmaLite scopes, scopes originally had a Japan optics inspection sticker, many scopes I'v seen still retain the sticker. The Hakko Japan scopes will be clearly marked with either the Colt or ArmaLite logo engraved in white along with the power 3x20/4x20 on the top front of the scope. The Chinese scopes are marked with numerous brand names and some are unmarked, none of them being Colt or ArmaLite. |
| There was a very recent thread re a alleged Colt scope on GB that the seller identified as a Colt, on examination by AR15 members it was a Chinese scope with a Colt marked box. The winning bid was $300 I believe for a Colt box and a Chinese scope. AR15 members attempted to set the seller right but he didn't change the listing and someone got reeled in. Know what your bidding on, plenty of info here on AR15, ask if your not sure. |
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All the Colt scopes I've seen are mounted with slotted head screws. The Chinese knock offs are mounted with Phillips head screws. for retro scopes that's true but i've seen later japanese colt scopes w/ phillips screws. also the windage cap is a rounded dome shape. |
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for retro scopes that's true but i've seen later japanese colt scopes w/ phillips screws. also the windage cap is a rounded dome shape. Quoted:
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All the Colt scopes I've seen are mounted with slotted head screws. The Chinese knock offs are mounted with Phillips head screws. for retro scopes that's true but i've seen later japanese colt scopes w/ phillips screws. also the windage cap is a rounded dome shape. The 4x20 Colt Japan?? Hmmm... I hadn't noticed that. So my quick recognition method doesn't always hold true. Oh well, I like the three power better anyway. |
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The 4x20 Colt Japan?? Hmmm... I hadn't noticed that. So my quick recognition method doesn't always hold true. Oh well, I like the three power better anyway. Quoted:
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All the Colt scopes I've seen are mounted with slotted head screws. The Chinese knock offs are mounted with Phillips head screws. for retro scopes that's true but i've seen later japanese colt scopes w/ phillips screws. also the windage cap is a rounded dome shape. The 4x20 Colt Japan?? Hmmm... I hadn't noticed that. So my quick recognition method doesn't always hold true. Oh well, I like the three power better anyway. they don't come up often and i consider them more of a modern scope so i've never spent the money to try to acquire one. this engraved 4x20 i have is pretty rare, haven't seen many of them: 
this 3x20mm one is pretty rare too 
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| I have an opportunity to pickup a NIB Hakko 4x20 Colt Scope complete with paperwork, leather caps, etc. Seller wants, $350 shipped but I think I can get him down to $300.00 plus shipping. Should I jump on this? I've seen many others for $250-$275 but this one looks much nicer/higher quality even though they are all Colt's. |
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I have an opportunity to pickup a NIB Hakko 4x20 Colt Scope complete with paperwork, leather caps, etc. Seller wants, $350 shipped but I think I can get him down to $300.00 plus shipping. Should I jump on this? I've seen many others for $250-$275 but this one looks much nicer/higher quality even though they are all Colt's. that's a good price for NIB. bonus is the elastic on the scopes caps aren't stretched out. |
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that's a good price for NIB. bonus is the elastic on the scopes caps aren't stretched out. Quoted:
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I have an opportunity to pickup a NIB Hakko 4x20 Colt Scope complete with paperwork, leather caps, etc. Seller wants, $350 shipped but I think I can get him down to $300.00 plus shipping. Should I jump on this? I've seen many others for $250-$275 but this one looks much nicer/higher quality even though they are all Colt's. that's a good price for NIB. bonus is the elastic on the scopes caps aren't stretched out. He said I can have it for $331.00 shipped but won't be home to collect funds or ship until the 17th. I've waited this long, I can wait another 2 weeks. I put a downpayment on a 1970 SP1 last night from a gunshop in New Hampshire, I drove 4 and a half hours to go see it and it was flawless. Owner wanted 1400.00 for it and I talked him down to 1200.00, so I'll pay it off next friday and then he'll ship it to Hoffman's. After leaving the gunshops in NH, I drove home, drive home took closer to 5 and a half hours and I got home at 2:30a.m.other than the bitching out I got when walking in the door, things are working out I think, cause I don't know if I could have swung the mortgage payment, the Colt Scope, and the SP1 all within a 3 day stretch. |
| Hip Shot sometimes you have to grab things when they show up even if it isn't easy on the finances. IMO $331 for the NIB Colt/Hakko 4x20 is a fair price and $1200 for the SP1 was worth the long drive to NH, I'v also found some excellent items/deals in NH. Boywonder777 that Colt 3x20 scope marked in MM must be an early version, is the range marked in meters? My dated 1967 ArmaLite 2.75 inverted post scopes are also marked in meters not yards. |
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Hip Shot sometimes you have to grab things when they show up even if it isn't easy on the finances. IMO $331 for the NIB Colt/Hakko 4x20 is a fair price and $1200 for the SP1 was worth the long drive to NH, I'v also found some excellent items/deals in NH. Boywonder777 that Colt 3x20 scope marked in MM must be an early version, is the range marked in meters? My dated 1967 ArmaLite 2.75 inverted post scopes are also marked in meters not yards. i'll check later but i acquired another one like that w/ the box and it came in a yellow colt box. not sure where in the timeline that came into play. the red boxes were first and later ones were white so i guess the yellow were somewhere in between. |
| I can also get a gorgeous Hakko 3x20 Colt scope right now for $275.00... The 3x20 has a few dings, and scratches from being mouted, etc but other than that it's perfect, even has the yellow sticker showing it passed their tests. I'm feeling stuck now, because I can only get one of them at the moment but whats the better deal the 3x20 in VG+ to Exc condition for $275.00 or 4x20 in NIB condition with lense covers/box/paperwork for $330? |
| Hip shot to me it would depend if NIB 4x20 scope is going to end up being a safe queen or used, if your going to use the scope I'd go for the 3x20. The 4x20 will probably increase in value in the future if kept as new and never used. Price difference either way isn't huge, $50. Also the 3x20 might be more period correct for the SP1. |
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Hip shot to me it would depend if NIB 4x20 scope is going to end up being a safe queen or used, if your going to use the scope I'd go for the 3x20. The 4x20 will probably increase in value in the future if kept as new and never used. Price difference either way isn't huge, $50. Also the 3x20 might be more period correct for the SP1. The scope is going to be used and quite often, I don't buy stuff to stare at it unless it's a NIB or numbers matching/100% correct unfired collector's piece. |
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