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7/10/2007 1:06:16 PM EDT
Which is a better one to have, I will get issued a Colt AR-15 M16A1E or a GM Hydramatic M16A1 both are Like new in the box but my guess is  they about 30 years old, both look the identicial but I was wondering if one is better than the other. Help I have to pick by this Thursday.
7/10/2007 1:18:10 PM EDT
[#1]
No difference, both were built to mil-spec and passed QC checks
7/10/2007 3:09:03 PM EDT
[#2]

Quoted:
No difference, both were built to mil-spec and passed QC checks


I agree completely, but would have to go with the Hydramatic just because of the "cool factor".  There are practically none of them in the civilian sector that aren't rewelds, and all the GM rifles have US Property markings.  Either one will serve you well.
7/10/2007 3:28:00 PM EDT
[#3]
I'd go with the Hydramatic because they're rarer and probably has US Prop. markings.

What do you mean by "M16A1E"? Typo?
7/10/2007 3:39:59 PM EDT
[#4]
Depends on the vintage, later Colt's have chrome bores, improved extraction, rounded off firing pins, stronger buttstocks, etc.  5,000,000 series would be the best of the best in regards to M16A1 rifles.

If the Colt you mention is a XM16E1 then it is a rebuild.  Rebuilds are not tested for acceptance as new rifles are.

On the Hydramatic I would check the bore for pitting.
7/10/2007 3:42:35 PM EDT
[#5]
i would kill for a hydromatic mainly because they are rare
7/10/2007 4:43:04 PM EDT
[#6]
Mary Ann or Ginger?

Hell, both!
7/10/2007 10:34:49 PM EDT
[#7]

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Mary Ann or Ginger?

Hell, both!


Even better... Simultaneously!
7/10/2007 11:04:46 PM EDT
[#8]
My buddy the tank mechanic got a Hydramatic (had to, GM fan) last time we were in Iraq. It was a rattle trap piece of crap. The lower was an A1 modified into an A2 (Auto > Burst) with what looked like a well used A2 upper.

Total piece of crap that had the firing components installed incorrectly. My buddy ended up taking trigger/hammer pins out and troubleshooting it himself. Trial and error showed that the burst parts were put in backwards. Worked fine after that.

Are they going to issue M193? Good luck on that. That's the Army I know and love.
7/11/2007 3:38:44 PM EDT
[#9]
We got some of those junker rebuilds last time I went to Iraq too. Mainly as replacement rifles for what we had lost in IED's and whatnot. I had an M4 so I was happy.
7/11/2007 4:14:57 PM EDT
[#10]
My rifle in basic was a Hydromatic, I thought it was the coolest thing in the world as I was a real gear head and left a '69 SS Chevelle at home ):

I can't believe these are still being issued.        
7/11/2007 6:03:02 PM EDT
[#11]
I'd say Hydramatic, mainly because it is what I was issued.

It rattled and clanked like a bucket of bolts, but at 300 yards I could hit dead center by aiming at the left shoulder.

Not bad for a guy that had never shot at anything past 100 yards before basic...

Edit to add:

I was issued mine in 1991.  Man, time flies.
7/12/2007 11:30:56 AM EDT
[#12]
A buddy of mine at the PD is issued a Hydramatic for SWAT use. That is the coolest little shorty I have seen. It does have US Property markings if I remember correctly.
7/14/2007 12:51:00 AM EDT
[#13]
I went with the Hydramatic, cause it is made by GM and I too am a car nut, it does have US Govt markings and, I will post some pics when I get  back in a few weeks.  The rifle shoots true for the last few years I was use to an HK rifle.  Right now I am not allowed to modifty it in any way so it still has the 20 inch upper with the old style furniture, it looks kinda retro cool, and OMG it is still a full auto rifle and I can take it home with me
7/15/2007 7:44:30 AM EDT
[#14]

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I went with the Hydramatic, cause it is made by GM and I too am a car nut, it does have US Govt markings and, I will post some pics when I get  back in a few weeks.  The rifle shoots true for the last few years I was use to an HK rifle.  Right now I am not allowed to modifty it in any way so it still has the 20 inch upper with the old style furniture, it looks kinda retro cool, and OMG it is still a full auto rifle and I can take it home with me


DRMO Program?
7/15/2007 8:10:50 AM EDT
[#15]
Department of the Interior, LE
7/20/2007 5:50:24 PM EDT
[#16]
well plenty of those rebuilds are floating around. I'm small arms repair forthe army at Ft. Lewis and I've seen a couple hydramatics converted to a2 I even came acrost a colt one with a 6 didget serial number. that means that one had been floating around since nam for sure.

7/23/2007 12:02:13 PM EDT
[#17]

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Department of the Interior, LE


I never heard of the Army sending home weapons to individual LE agents for agency or personal use. And obviously you can't keep it as a personal permanently owned weapon for your own use (has to be a pre 86 form 4 NFA registered weapon for that to be legal)....
So how in the heck are ya gonna pull that off?
Other than hoping the supply seargant forgets to make you sign for it and stuffing it into your ruck sack for the trip home...how in the heck ???
Puzzled.
7/24/2007 6:48:27 PM EDT
[#18]
Back in the olden days 1971,we had both Colt and GM in the armory.The GM's were crisp and clean and new ,where as the colts were worn and had the 3 finger "weed eater" suppressors. Both were reliable and accurate.Just a matter of taste now a days. If given the chance pop the back pin and slide out the BCG and give both rifles a good lookover before making a choice
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