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5/27/2008 2:59:08 PM EDT
I'm currently looking at a replacement for the NSN I sold recently.

I like the compact ACOG, it would be mounted on my Colts carry handle, looking at the 3X Amber Crosshair reticle and 2X Red Crosshair reticle units.

I favor the idea of magnification with a rifle, even one which can and will be used for CQB.

I figure 2X or 3X will get me easily out to 200 or 300 meters which is within the capabilities of this rifle.

On the other hand I am still looking at a nice AIM Point, CompML3 using a basic ARMS or LaRue Mount to my flat top.

Anyone who has ever run a carbine in a CQB environment, SWAT or Military will attest to the speed of the red dot for target acquisition.

And there is always the option for a 3X mag if I need to reach out a bit.

I can run CQB with the ACOG, it's doable with little problems, the ACOG will not need batteries ever, will work day or night even after the tritium has long since stopped glowing and its smaller than the AIM Point and will take a serious beating.

The AIM Point has a serious battery life and can take a good beating itself, it is larger than the compact ACOG  
5/27/2008 3:07:23 PM EDT
[#1]
the aimpoint will be faster close up, but if you mount to the carry handle you will always have back up irons without having to flip anything up or remove anything.  Just something to think about.
5/27/2008 3:18:03 PM EDT
[#2]
Good point you can see thru the carry handle mount on the Compact ACOG.

Could also go with tritium sites for my Colt as well.

5/27/2008 3:27:16 PM EDT
[#3]
How often do you actually clear buildings with said weapon?
If the answer is "never" I would go with a compact acog, they are a good all around scope.  
If the answer is "a lot" then get an aimpoint.
 
5/27/2008 3:38:17 PM EDT
[#4]
Compact ACOG.  If mounted in your carry handle, you have instant access to irons for close up.  Put a big dot FSP in and voila!  Perfect sight combo from 0-400 meters (that is how far I have taken my TA33 equipped 16" Colt out to so far).

ETA:  Look at the TA33, it is the best Compact out there for what it sounds like you want to accomplish.  I have had the other 3X Compact, and its eye relief is just TOO poor for any quick use.  Plus, the chevron and BDC are awesome.


Mandatory pic:


5/27/2008 3:50:08 PM EDT
[#5]
I personally like both setups.  ta33 on the carry handle or aimponit m3 and 3xmag on the flat top with the larue pivot mount.

aimpoint is faster.  its has no BDC but from 0-300 that is not really needed if sighted correctly.

if you never shoot out 500-600 yards or you need to clear a building aimpoint no doubt IMO.  I am faster with my aimpoint than I am with irons or an acog.  I find the magnifiers eye relief to be very forgiving and fast even at 3x.

the best solution is a two rifles one with each setup. ha ha.

5/27/2008 4:06:04 PM EDT
[#6]
well i heard only one bad thing about a ACOG.   i dont have one. lol     I would COG it.   FYI i love making nouns into verbs
5/27/2008 4:16:52 PM EDT
[#7]
ACOG
5/28/2008 3:22:23 PM EDT
[#8]

Aimpoint C3  in a LaRue Cantilever and a LaRue Po'boy Special 2.5X magnifier  or an Aimpoint magnifier.
5/28/2008 4:51:36 PM EDT
[#9]
I have the TA33R-8 and love it. No batteries, you can use the Bindon Aiming Concept (Both eyes open shooting), BDC, and the 3x magnification is plenty. Go with the ACOG!!
5/28/2008 4:54:45 PM EDT
[#10]
I'm a fan of both.  Now that I work for Trijicon I have quite a few ACOGs but I still like the AIMPOINT.  After using them both I would give the nod to the Compact ACOG.  Just enough magnification, no batteries, crisp reticle and Amber fiber (my personal choice).  
5/29/2008 5:21:00 AM EDT
[#11]
just curious, why do you prefer the amber?
5/29/2008 5:28:34 AM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:
just curious, why do you prefer the amber?


For me, it's easier to pick up and it's faster IMO.  I don't mind the red, but I will take Amber every time.
5/29/2008 6:47:24 AM EDT
[#13]
I would favor the Aimpoint if this is your main or only rifle.  Unless you're shooting at pretty substantial distances, the magnification is not really necessary.  That being said, if you have a CQB rifle or something like that, then the magnification would give you some options, and some more precision beyond 50 yards at the cost of reduced close in speed.
5/29/2008 8:01:39 AM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:
Compact ACOG.  If mounted in your carry handle, you have instant access to irons for close up.  Put a big dot FSP in and voila!  Perfect sight combo from 0-400 meters (that is how far I have taken my TA33 equipped 16" Colt out to so far).

ETA:  Look at the TA33, it is the best Compact out there for what it sounds like you want to accomplish.  I have had the other 3X Compact, and its eye relief is just TOO poor for any quick use.  Plus, the chevron and BDC are awesome.


Mandatory pic:

i25.tinypic.com/n18ks3.jpg


You are cute.  Are you married?
5/29/2008 9:15:58 AM EDT
[#15]
gotcha
I got a TA338 Red for my 6.8 upper and then started thinking about it some more..
I will be hunting  hogs at night with it and sometimes under a red light.. figured the amber would contrast better than the red against a dark hog

my local dealer GDS was very cool about a swap..
good people
5/29/2008 9:45:43 AM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:
Compact ACOG.  If mounted in your carry handle, you have instant access to irons for close up.  Put a big dot FSP in and voila!  Perfect sight combo from 0-400 meters (that is how far I have taken my TA33 equipped 16" Colt out to so far).

ETA:  Look at the TA33, it is the best Compact out there for what it sounds like you want to accomplish.  I have had the other 3X Compact, and its eye relief is just TOO poor for any quick use.  Plus, the chevron and BDC are awesome.


Mandatory pic:

i25.tinypic.com/n18ks3.jpg


Nice Glasses and hmmmm oh yeah nice ACOG.
5/29/2008 11:22:06 AM EDT
[#17]
IIRC thats chewbacca's wife, not chewbacca

Quoted:

Quoted:
Compact ACOG.  If mounted in your carry handle, you have instant access to irons for close up.  Put a big dot FSP in and voila!  Perfect sight combo from 0-400 meters (that is how far I have taken my TA33 equipped 16" Colt out to so far).

ETA:  Look at the TA33, it is the best Compact out there for what it sounds like you want to accomplish.  I have had the other 3X Compact, and its eye relief is just TOO poor for any quick use.  Plus, the chevron and BDC are awesome.


Mandatory pic:

i25.tinypic.com/n18ks3.jpg


You are cute.  Are you married?
5/29/2008 2:30:26 PM EDT
[#18]
Trijicon as a company seems to favor amber (this has nothing to do with bullitt5172's comments whatsoever)

I believe it is the better color. It is easier for me to pick up. Red isn't bad, but has less of a contrast against most backgrounds compared to amber. Amber is lighter in hue and more intense and less objects are colored similarily. Foliage can get reddish and orange in the fall.


Either will work as they will have a color difference. But they do vary in contrast difference against various backgrounds.


Just my opinion.


At the range an Aimpoint develops an advantage over the ACOG ...you might as well use an illuminated front sight post and irons. That is very close to "point and click" range anyway. With a little practice, COM hits at that range can be done just by pointing.


So long as the post is ANYWHERE inside the peep while being on the target ...it will be at hit inside of 30 yards (even 50 depending on the sight). I've done this experiment myself.

Set up a B-27 target at 30 yards. Use the aperature you plan to use. Line up for a dead center hit, centered in the peep. Now move the front sight post to the edge of the aperature. You're still going to hit. That's at the extreme edge. Note that every little bit more inside toward the center will bring the shot in more precisely. Even a poorly aimed shot you'll still lineup that front sight post within 50% of the center. Automatic HIT. It's pretty hard to not get that post within 50% of center in the sight picture. So the name of the game is...just look through the rear sight, put the front post on target and pull the trigger. Nothing more.


The illuminated sight posts work great at night. They also have white around the tritium to reflect sunlight and be more visible, as well as create a better contrast against backgrounds.


I'm a big fan of those sight posts. Robust. Reliable. They work. They really enhance iron sight use and brings more versatility to them. Very underestimated...


Don't get me wrong, I like the Aimpoint ...I'm just finding it less and less important.




5/29/2008 2:38:01 PM EDT
[#19]
My 16" AR15's run Aimpoints as they are CQB guns. My AR10 has a TA01B ACOG for reaching out and touching someone.
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