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Posted: 12/15/2009 3:17:28 PM EDT
Which is the correct sight picture for say, 100m bullseye? edit: on a 25m zero |
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A is the correct answer (assuming it's zeroed for that distance)r. It's not a "for me" thing. That's how iron sights are intended to be used. If you do something else and it works for you, then congrats, but it's not the correct way to do it. The only correct way is the way you are most comfortable. As long as you continue to use the same sight picture. As a senior PMI in the Corps ,I've known Marines to use A and B. It becomes a bigger issue as you move back. Try using A at 500 or 600m. Some use B modified to hold the whole target frame on the tip of the front sight. My vote is both A and B |
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A is the correct answer (assuming it's zeroed for that distance)r. It's not a "for me" thing. That's how iron sights are intended to be used. If you do something else and it works for you, then congrats, but it's not the correct way to do it. The only correct way is the way you are most comfortable. As long as you continue to use the same sight picture. As a senior PMI in the Corps ,I've known Marines to use A and B. It becomes a bigger issue as you move back. Try using A at 500 or 600m. Some use B modified to hold the whole target frame on the tip of the front sight. My vote is both A and B The correct way to do it is the way that's most repeatable and exact, and that's A. The way that's most comfortable isn't always the way that's best. I understand for plinking and whatnot it doesn't matter, but there are lots of shooting things that are more comfortable that aren't the ideal way to do things. Practicing doing things the right way will make them more comfortable, and you'll be a better shooter for it. When I started shooting competitively I did things the way I had learned them, often the most comfortable way. I found out real fast that if I practiced things that weren't comfortable, but were the right way to do things, that my shooting improved significantly. |
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I picked B, because in the other two, the front sight post is not centered (vertically) in the aperture. It's above center, which will shift the POI upward. This is assuming you used a correct sight picture when you set the zero.
Also, in the Army I was taught to aim a bit low at 50-150m, because setting zero at 25m causes POI to be a little high at those ranges. That was in the early 90s, using the M16A2. The exact numbers may differ a bit depending on the rifle and ammo etc, but the basic principle should still be valid. |
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A is the correct answer (assuming it's zeroed for that distance)r. It's not a "for me" thing. That's how iron sights are intended to be used. If you do something else and it works for you, then congrats, but it's not the correct way to do it. The only correct way is the way you are most comfortable. As long as you continue to use the same sight picture. As a senior PMI in the Corps ,I've known Marines to use A and B. It becomes a bigger issue as you move back. Try using A at 500 or 600m. Some use B modified to hold the whole target frame on the tip of the front sight. My vote is both A and B The correct way to do it is the way that's most repeatable and exact, and that's A. The way that's most comfortable isn't always the way that's best. I understand for plinking and whatnot it doesn't matter, but there are lots of shooting things that are more comfortable that aren't the ideal way to do things. Practicing doing things the right way will make them more comfortable, and you'll be a better shooter for it. When I started shooting competitively I did things the way I had learned them, often the most comfortable way. I found out real fast that if I practiced things that weren't comfortable, but were the right way to do things, that my shooting improved significantly. Guess I never should have shot for the USMC rifle &pistol team then,nor have 4 USMC expert badges.3 expert pistol After all I don't know how to shot. You do it your way I'll continue to do what works for me. |
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A is the correct answer (assuming it's zeroed for that distance)r. It's not a "for me" thing. That's how iron sights are intended to be used. If you do something else and it works for you, then congrats, but it's not the correct way to do it. The only correct way is the way you are most comfortable. As long as you continue to use the same sight picture. As a senior PMI in the Corps ,I've known Marines to use A and B. It becomes a bigger issue as you move back. Try using A at 500 or 600m. Some use B modified to hold the whole target frame on the tip of the front sight. My vote is both A and B The correct way to do it is the way that's most repeatable and exact, and that's A. The way that's most comfortable isn't always the way that's best. I understand for plinking and whatnot it doesn't matter, but there are lots of shooting things that are more comfortable that aren't the ideal way to do things. Practicing doing things the right way will make them more comfortable, and you'll be a better shooter for it. When I started shooting competitively I did things the way I had learned them, often the most comfortable way. I found out real fast that if I practiced things that weren't comfortable, but were the right way to do things, that my shooting improved significantly. Guess I never should have shot for the USMC rifle &pistol team then,nor have 4 USMC expert badges.3 expert pistol After all I don't know how to shot. You do it your way I'll continue to do what works for me. I'm not saying you can't shoot. I'm saying there's a specific right way to do it, and your experience doesn't negate that fact. I'm actually sitting here looking at the Marine Corps Rifle Marksmanship Manual and, sure enough, they show A as the correct sight picture. Why is that? Probably because it's the only sight picture (when zeroed for the distance) that actually tells you where the bullet is going to land. B and C rely on you guessing how far to hold off, and where the bullet lands isn't anywhere that you have a visual reference, it's up in the middle of nowhere. Like you said though, I'll do what works for me and you can do what works for you. |
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/eroswell/sightpicture.jpg Which is the correct sight picture for say, 100m bullseye? edit: on a 25m zero A 25 meter zero = 1" to 2" high at 100 meters. Shooting POA=POI, not a six o'clock hold, the correct would be "B". |
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I was taught "A" by father and the US Army. So, for me, its A.
Yes I have the bars from the US Army: Expert Rifle (M-14 and M-16) Expert Carbine (M-1) <We actually had these when I went to Africa many years back. Old WW2 surplus!> Expert Machine Gun .30 caliber and .50 caliber Marksman Pistol .45 (Never liked those old worn out Colt 1911's) So, using what Dad and the Army taught me, I managed the above using picture "A". Your experience and preferences may vary. |
| not going to gig you on the slightly off graphics-I knew what you were trying say. I went iwth A- it was how I was trained, how I am zeroed and what works for me. I know people who swear by B-doesn't mean it's wrong, just different. and IIRC, B was the old USMC method. to each their own. so long as you get repeatable good hits on targets, Do what works |
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I was the Senior Regimental Primary Marksmanship Instructor as well, and as was mentioned above, I use A, was taught A and I taught A, per my marksmanship manual. The fact is that some people just prefer to use what works for them and they don't always stick to what they were taught. So be it! I've known other Marines that shot expert year in and year out and they used B. If you do anything long enough, you get used to it and it might even work for you but that doesn't make it correct. |
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Quoted: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/eroswell/sightpicture.jpg Which is the correct sight picture for say, 100m bullseye? edit: on a 25m zero Your question is confusing. If you're asking what my preferred sight picture is, then it's A. However, if the rifle is zeroed at 25m using A, then bullet will impact high at 100m, so B would give you a better hit on target. |
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If trying to hit the bullseye on a target I use B. I'm zeroed at 50 and 200 and need to aim a little low at 100. Same here. Btw- there is no "right" answer to the poll, I don't give a damn what the military taught any of you. As long as you know what your rifle is zeroed at and use the same sight picture every time, you're just fine. |
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If trying to hit the bullseye on a target I use B. I'm zeroed at 50 and 200 and need to aim a little low at 100. Same here. Btw- there is no "right" answer to the poll, I don't give a damn what the military taught any of you. As long as you know what your rifle is zeroed at and use the same sight picture every time, you're just fine. Who gives a damn. |
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A is the correct answer (assuming it's zeroed for that distance)r. It's not a "for me" thing. That's how iron sights are intended to be used. If you do something else and it works for you, then congrats, but it's not the correct way to do it. The only correct way is the way you are most comfortable. As long as you continue to use the same sight picture. As a senior PMI in the Corps ,I've known Marines to use A and B. It becomes a bigger issue as you move back. Try using A at 500 or 600m. Some use B modified to hold the whole target frame on the tip of the front sight. My vote is both A and B +2 |
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Quoted: I was the Senior Regimental Primary Marksmanship Instructor as well, and as was mentioned above, I use A, was taught A and I taught A, per my marksmanship manual. The fact is that some people just prefer to use what works for them and they don't always stick to what they were taught. So be it! I've known other Marines that shot expert year in and year out and they used B. If you do anything long enough, you get used to it and it might even work for you but that doesn't make it correct. I would say it was correct if it works because if it wasn't then it wouldn't be.  |
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I picked B, because in the other two, the front sight post is not centered (vertically) in the aperture. It's above center, which will shift the POI upward. This is assuming you used a correct sight picture when you set the zero. Also, in the Army I was taught to aim a bit low at 50-150m, because setting zero at 25m causes POI to be a little high at those ranges. That was in the early 90s, using the M16A2. The exact numbers may differ a bit depending on the rifle and ammo etc, but the basic principle should still be valid. this is correct. can't see how B or c could be considered a correct sight picture. Now if you are asking about center hold or 6 o clock hold, none of your photos show that. |
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None of them. Option A normally, but the rear aperture is not aligned correctly. 20 bucks says thats because he made this in a hurry.... I think we are to assume that the FSP is to be centered in the rear sight, as its almost impossible to use these style of sights otherwise. Also, for those using B. How do you account for target size at varying distances? I'm not sure how B could ever be repeatable. |
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