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Posted: 11/5/2022 4:15:57 AM EDT
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Really torn between these two optics. Can pickup the credo for $750 and the razor will be $1300 (unless someone knows a better source). I've owned a delta Stryker and loved it- semi regret selling it. Question is if the razor actually has that much better of an eye box to demand the $550 difference? Yes, I've looked at other options.. got rid of my nx8 and atacr. Great optics but fov and performance at 1x didn't do it for me |
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I have a genII Razor and two Credo HX Hunter BDC. The Razor is phenomenal but it is a brick. The Credo HX gets you 92% of the way to the Razor in terms of glass quality and reticle illumination, for 2/3 the cost and something like 6oz less. I don't regret buying the Razor, but I have two Credo HXs and I'm considering a third if that tells you anything. |
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Quoted: I have a genII Razor and two Credo HX Hunter BDC. The Razor is phenomenal but it is a brick. The Credo HX gets you 92% of the way to the Razor in terms of glass quality and reticle illumination, for 2/3 the cost and something like 6oz less. I don't regret buying the Razor, but I have two Credo HXs and I'm considering a third if that tells you anything. |
| My vote is for the Razor. If the price difference is what is making you lean towards the Credo take a look at Vortex's PST gen 2. I have a hard time telling the two apart other than one is a goofy shade of purpley brown. Best of luck with your optic choice though. |
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I have a Credo, went with it after the pretty extensive thread (below). Absolutely zero regrets. Green dot increases battery life over red dot but like a zillion hours. Dot is daylight bright, pretty standard crosshair otherwise, simple stuff which I like. Love the glass. Paid $650 for mine. the unknown is its durability compared to the Razor which we all know is regarded as very good. I had multiple problems with PST II LPVO, wanted to love it but cannot recommend. I had batteries burning in a day even when off on the first, then flickering illum under recoil on the replacement they sent. The next replacement got sold immediately. Again, no regrets with the Trijicon. ETA: mine is the green LED Dot Hunter, not the donut. cant speak to that one. https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/Trijicon-Credo-1-6-review/18-757168/ |
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I haven't owned a Credo but I've owned the Delta Stryker and Razor 1-6. The difference is better edge clarity, eyebox, bigger FOV, locking illumination at the cost of 1/4lb and the added cost. If you're weight conscious I would say it's definitely not worth it. The eyebox isn't noticeable at 1x as the Delta's is also incredibly good, but it's definitely more finicky at 6x compared to the razor. The glass is very personal, alot of people probably wouldn't pick up on the edge distortion in the Stryker but it's there while the razor has almost 0 distortion save for a little bit of fisheye at 1x. To complicate your choice, AAoptics has refurbished Razor's right now for $1000 for the e version and $900 for the non-e. Only the JM-1 is left. Still carries Vortex's warranty and a good way to save some cash if you don't mind refurbs and don't want to deal with people on the EE. https://aaoptics.com/REFURBISHED-RAZOR-HD-GEN-II-E-1-6X24-RIFLESCOPE-JM-1-BDC-_p_595.html |
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Quoted: Credo for sure. I drank the cortex Kool aid for a while. It's all junk, even the razors. But muh warranty! You would t need that kind of warranty if your products didn't fucking constantly fail. I’ll echo this. My 1st vortex razor Gen 2 (4.5-27) went back after a battery issue. My amg went back due to the elevation turret binding up, and finally my Gen 3 1-10 w went back after the reticle shifted after 10 rds of 5.56 beating up the optic. They did fix everything promptly but I’m done with vortex. |
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Quoted: The 1-6 Credo must be a night and day difference than the 1-4 because the 1-4 is not worth the selling price. It is. The 1-4 Credo is just a pretty awful optic for the cost. The 1-6 is better as you can get daylight bright illumination but I think the Razor has a much flatter 1X still. The Accupoint 1-6 on the other hand has Razor quality 1X. Night and day difference from the Credo 1-6. |
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Quoted: I’ll echo this.  My 1st vortex razor Gen 2 (4.5-27) went back after a battery issue. My amg went back due to the elevation turret binding up, and finally my Gen 3 1-10 w went back after the reticle shifted after 10 rds of 5.56 beating up the optic. They did fix everything promptly but I’m done with vortex. I've been using a Razor Gen II E 1-6x24 for several years in 3 gun and practical rifle matches and have had zero issues. I know a number of other competition shooters with the same experience, so many of these scopes seem to be working well. |
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Quoted: Torn on these 2 also. razor is the standard. credo is lighter and cheaper hmmm reticle on the credo HX (the daylight bright illuminated center dot with BDC) sucks. horribly. no idea what piece of shit fudd cannon they used to draw the hash marks on it. running it through strelok confirmed how weird it was. otherwise a terrific optic. if trijicon had used the milrads from the tacticool non-HX credo (the one that is not daylight bright) and just illuminated only the center dot like the HX, they would shit all over the other sub $1k LVPO's and become a better razor competitor |
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Quoted: reticle on the credo HX (the daylight bright illuminated center dot with BDC) sucks. horribly. no idea what piece of shit fudd cannon they used to draw the hash marks on it. running it through strelok confirmed how weird it was. You might want to work on your calculations, because that reticle is a damn near perfect fit for my 55 grain loads.  A rough check of the BDC come-ups at 50 yards shows that they are just as advertised.   ….. |
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Quoted: You might want to work on your calculations, because that reticle is a damn near perfect fit for my 55 grain loads. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/28568/BDC_Hunter_Holds__223__Credo_HX_1-6x24__-2594038.png A rough check of the BDC come-ups at 50 yards shows that they are just as advertised. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/28568/trijicon_credo_hx_50_yards_001b-2594045.jpg https://i.ibb.co/gSsDtMx/triarc-rifle-003-resized-framed-c.jpg ….. Quoted: Quoted: reticle on the credo HX (the daylight bright illuminated center dot with BDC) sucks. horribly. no idea what piece of shit fudd cannon they used to draw the hash marks on it. running it through strelok confirmed how weird it was. You might want to work on your calculations, because that reticle is a damn near perfect fit for my 55 grain loads. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/28568/BDC_Hunter_Holds__223__Credo_HX_1-6x24__-2594038.png A rough check of the BDC come-ups at 50 yards shows that they are just as advertised. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/28568/trijicon_credo_hx_50_yards_001b-2594045.jpg https://i.ibb.co/gSsDtMx/triarc-rifle-003-resized-framed-c.jpg ….. Where did you get those targets? |
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Quoted: Where did you get those targets? Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: reticle on the credo HX (the daylight bright illuminated center dot with BDC) sucks. horribly. no idea what piece of shit fudd cannon they used to draw the hash marks on it. running it through strelok confirmed how weird it was. You might want to work on your calculations, because that reticle is a damn near perfect fit for my 55 grain loads. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/28568/BDC_Hunter_Holds__223__Credo_HX_1-6x24__-2594038.png A rough check of the BDC come-ups at 50 yards shows that they are just as advertised. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/28568/trijicon_credo_hx_50_yards_001b-2594045.jpg https://i.ibb.co/gSsDtMx/triarc-rifle-003-resized-framed-c.jpg ….. Where did you get those targets? Yes, I would like to try those out. |
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Optic specs aside - I know it's been said but dealing with vortex on warranty issues is so much better than trijicon. I had some rmr issues on early type 2s and I had to send back multiple units. I was without an optic for like 4 months. Ultimately it got handled. On the flip side - Vortex next day aired me a scope and said send the other one back when you return from your trip. There was also a nice vortex hat in the box haha. Maybe I've had bad luck but I've had to send back Aimpoint (M3), Trijicon (RMRs), Eotech (Exps), Burris (XTRII), and Vortex (PST Gen II). So, customer service is something I consider |
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Quoted: You might want to work on your calculations, because that reticle is a damn near perfect fit for my 55 grain loads. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/28568/BDC_Hunter_Holds__223__Credo_HX_1-6x24__-2594038.png A rough check of the BDC come-ups at 50 yards shows that they are just as advertised. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/28568/trijicon_credo_hx_50_yards_001b-2594045.jpg https://i.ibb.co/gSsDtMx/triarc-rifle-003-resized-framed-c.jpg ….. glad it worked out well for your particular load. not really the case for anybody else utilizing different length barrels with different loads and reticle is also near useless for ranging compared to an MRAD reticle. still an amazing value with good build quality, light weight, and a daylight bright dot. |
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Quoted: glad it worked out well for your particular load. not really the case for anybody else utilizing different length barrels with different loads and reticle is also near useless for ranging compared to an MRAD reticle. still an amazing value with good build quality, light weight, and a daylight bright dot. If you like MRAD that’s fine, but it’s not going to be far off enough to not be useable. Heck even 308 will line up close for a bit. |
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I'm a little surprised by the dislike of vortex as a whole. I've been using their PST and higher line scopes since they started and I'm satisfied with my overall experience with the company and their product line. I had both the razor gen II E and the Credo hx at the same time. I couldn't decide based on the specs so I bought both. The difference in weight is negligible. The glass quality was in favor of the vortex. The eyebox on the vortex is much more user friendly. I didn't care about the difference in cost. I wanted a good scope. After mounting both up and running drills, including shooting from awkward positions, I sold the Credo. Shooting with the razor was just plain easier in terms of running and gunning. If you're hunting from a static position, it may not matter to you. Of course, if under 300 yards is what you'll be doing, maybe you should be looking at a steiner p4xi with the p3tr reticle. At around 500 used, you can't beat it. Set at 4x, the Steiner beat out the razor and the Credo. |
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Quoted: I'm a little surprised by the dislike of vortex as a whole. I've been using their PST and higher line scopes since they started and I'm satisfied with my overall experience with the company and their product line. I had both the razor gen II E and the Credo hx at the same time.  I couldn't decide based on the specs so I bought both. The difference in weight is negligible.  The glass quality was in favor of the vortex. The eyebox on the vortex is much more user friendly. I didn't care about the difference in cost. I wanted a good scope. After mounting both up and running drills, including shooting from awkward positions, I sold the Credo. Shooting with the razor was just plain easier in terms of running and gunning. If you're hunting from a static position, it may not matter to you. Of course, if under 300 yards is what you'll be doing, maybe you should be looking at a steiner p4xi with the p3tr reticle. At around 500 used, you can't beat it. Set at 4x, the Steiner beat out the razor and the Credo. I’m not sure about all the dislike either. I own a Razor Gen II E and a PST Gen 2 1-6 and both are fantastic optics. Vortex as a company has great customer service. I’m not a fan of their lower end Chinese optics, but they’re not the only company that sells inexpensive Chinese made optics in addition to higher end offerings. |
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Quoted: I'm a little surprised by the dislike of vortex as a whole. I've been using their PST and higher line scopes since they started and I'm satisfied with my overall experience with the company and their product line. I had both the razor gen II E and the Credo hx at the same time. Â I couldn't decide based on the specs so I bought both. The difference in weight is negligible. Â The glass quality was in favor of the vortex. The eyebox on the vortex is much more user friendly. I didn't care about the difference in cost. I wanted a good scope. After mounting both up and running drills, including shooting from awkward positions, I sold the Credo. Shooting with the razor was just plain easier in terms of running and gunning. If you're hunting from a static position, it may not matter to you. Of course, if under 300 yards is what you'll be doing, maybe you should be looking at a steiner p4xi with the p3tr reticle. At around 500 used, you can't beat it. Set at 4x, the Steiner beat out the razor and the Credo. I agree. I like Vortex as a company and surprised by the dislike in this thread. Your comparison between the 2 mirrors my thoughts. The Razor G2E is a bit easier to get behind for quick shots. The Credo HX is not too far off either, but one'd save $500. On a side note, I wish they made 16-17oz 1-6x with the razor glass. They also need to make more 50K hours micro red dots that's similar to those Holosun 400/500 series but that's a different story. |
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Quoted: Where did you get those targets? Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: reticle on the credo HX (the daylight bright illuminated center dot with BDC) sucks. horribly. no idea what piece of shit fudd cannon they used to draw the hash marks on it. running it through strelok confirmed how weird it was. You might want to work on your calculations, because that reticle is a damn near perfect fit for my 55 grain loads. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/28568/BDC_Hunter_Holds__223__Credo_HX_1-6x24__-2594038.png A rough check of the BDC come-ups at 50 yards shows that they are just as advertised. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/28568/trijicon_credo_hx_50_yards_001b-2594045.jpg https://i.ibb.co/gSsDtMx/triarc-rifle-003-resized-framed-c.jpg ….. Where did you get those targets? It's one of mine. ... |
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Quoted: Yes, I would like to try those out. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: reticle on the credo HX (the daylight bright illuminated center dot with BDC) sucks. horribly. no idea what piece of shit fudd cannon they used to draw the hash marks on it. running it through strelok confirmed how weird it was. You might want to work on your calculations, because that reticle is a damn near perfect fit for my 55 grain loads. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/28568/BDC_Hunter_Holds__223__Credo_HX_1-6x24__-2594038.png A rough check of the BDC come-ups at 50 yards shows that they are just as advertised. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/28568/trijicon_credo_hx_50_yards_001b-2594045.jpg https://i.ibb.co/gSsDtMx/triarc-rifle-003-resized-framed-c.jpg ….. Where did you get those targets? Yes, I would like to try those out. I'll see if I can host it, so you guys can down-load it. ... |
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Quoted: That would be great if you don’t mind. Quoted: Quoted: I'll see if I can host it, so you guys can down-load it. ... That would be great if you don’t mind. https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/Trijicon-Credo-HX-1-6x24-A-Quick-Look/18-777019/ .... |
| I believe that is the mil/leo pricing on the credo. Watch for sales on euro optics as they have an email alert when price drops. Call cameralandny and see if they have trijicon models. They offer better pricing over the phone than what they can post on their website, per manufactures. |
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We have a couple lightly used Razor 1-6 Gen II E in stock, right now. Razor HD Gen II-E JM-1 Razor HD Gen II-E MRAD |
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Quoted: I have a Credo HX 1-6 red dot BDC hunter and a 1-6 Credo 1-6 red segmented circle and really like them. Would buy a Credo 2-10x36 in a heart beat if it was 2nd focal plane. Might try the 2.5-12x Accupoint in mildot? I heard it was as good as the NXS 2.5-10x but maybe not as durable. But ypu get capped turrets, but no zero stop.. |
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