AR Sponsor
Posted: 4/2/2009 7:34:08 AM EDT
|
My first post here...
I recently purchased a Mega Lower from a gun show and ordered the upper from Del-ton. I contacted Del-ton and they stated there was a 16 week lead time so I have time to tweak my order if needed. I wanted some people who knew what they were talking about (ie NOT me) to give some advice. For the record, this gun will be used for plinking etc, not SHTF. I did also order a Spikes .22 conversion for it. 1 of : 16" M4 Rifle Kit [M4 Rifle Kit -Barrel:DTI 16" M4 Chrome Lined 1x9] -Handguards:DPMS Free Float Tube - Vented :Standard Bolt & Carrier -Buttstock:Magpul Mil-Spec CTR Buttstock - Dark Earth Rifle Kit / Rifle -Grips:A2 Grip - Black Rifle Kit / Rifle-Carrying Handle:None Rifle Kit / Rifle-Flash Hiders:A2 Flash Hider Rifle Kit / Rifle-Gas Blocks:Standard A2 Front Sight Rifle Kit / Rifle-Lower Parts:Standard Lower Parts Rifle Kit / Rifle-T Handle:Standard Charging Handle Rifle Kit / Rifle-Uppers:Flat Top Upper with M4 Feed Ramps 5 PMAGs One question I did have was around the vented free float tube. I've seen it on other FF tubes, but is it possible to attach rails to the DPMS FF tube so I could run a handle etc if I decided to try it? Is there anything on here that I am missing or is a total waste? Thanks in advance, this is a great community! |
|
One critique I would offer up would be to get a railed hand guard. I assume that the DPMS tube is just that, a tube without rails.
You loose a lot of modularity with just a tube and if you want to add a grip later, it would be much easier with the tube. Also, if there is an option for an F marked Front Sight Base, I'd get it. The F marked is desiged for the carbine gas system to ensure have enough elevation adjustment when sighting in the irons. |
|
Quoted:
A few questions to ask. Make sure the kit has an M4 extension on the barrel to match your upper. I'm pretty sure most of their kits come with commercial dia. extensions, so your Mil-soec dia. tube wil not work unless you get a mil. dia. tube for it. If the CTR is a complete set, it shouldn't matter. If it comes with mil tube, it'll work. |
|
Quoted:
Quoted:
A few questions to ask. Make sure the kit has an M4 extension on the barrel to match your upper. I'm pretty sure most of their kits come with commercial dia. extensions, so your Mil-soec dia. tube wil not work unless you get a mil. dia. tube for it. If the CTR is a complete set, it shouldn't matter. If it comes with mil tube, it'll work. True. He just said buttstock, so he needs to be sure. |
|
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
A few questions to ask. Make sure the kit has an M4 extension on the barrel to match your upper. I'm pretty sure most of their kits come with commercial dia. extensions, so your Mil-soec dia. tube wil not work unless you get a mil. dia. tube for it. If the CTR is a complete set, it shouldn't matter. If it comes with mil tube, it'll work. True. He just said buttstock, so he needs to be sure. Copy...yeah OP, like ahelpessnun said, make sure you get the entire buttstock set, not just the stock body. Can you get the CTR in commercial diameter? I'm not that up on those. ETA: just looked at Del Ton's kit section, looks like it is an option direct from Del Ton, so it shouldn't be an issue. |
|
Quoted:
One critique I would offer up would be to get a railed hand guard. I assume that the DPMS tube is just that, a tube without rails. You loose a lot of modularity with just a tube and if you want to add a grip later, it would be much easier with the tube. Also, if there is an option for an F marked Front Sight Base, I'd get it. The F marked is desiged for the carbine gas system to ensure have enough elevation adjustment when sighting in the irons. On the handguard front, there is a "no handguard option", you could just buy a nice FF railed HG and install it, or there is the YHM FF rail option. In the long run you need to ask yourself if you think you'd want a FF rail rather than a tube. If you do, get it now and never have to worry about it. |
|
Quoted:
Quoted:
Can you get the CTR in commercial diameter? Quoted:
Quoted:
A few questions to ask. Make sure the kit has an M4 extension on the barrel to match your upper. I'm pretty sure most of their kits come with commercial dia. extensions, so your Mil-soec dia. tube wil not work unless you get a mil. dia. tube for it. If the CTR is a complete set, it shouldn't matter. If it comes with mil tube, it'll work. True. He just said buttstock, so he needs to be sure. Yes. They come both ways. |
|
1) skip the cheapo free-float tube. No tangible benefits (accuracy or otherwise) on an M4 platform. Go with standard CAR or M4 plastic handguards. If you want to try a VFG somewhere down the road, a piece of rail and grip will do the trick. Then, if necessary, go with a railed set (e.g., KAC RAS) or a sturdy free-float (e.g., Omega (for least amount of installation hassle) or LaRue, DD).
2) when ordering the M4 kit from Del-Ton the milspec CTR will come in a bundle with a milspec tube. You're good to go. 3) don't forget to request an F-marked FSB when you order. 4) any reason you don't go with the lightweight barrel instead of the M4? (Advantages: save $20 and a teeny bit of weight for a slightly faster handling carbine. Disadvantages: you can't mount an M203 grenade launcher and you lose the "look" of an M4. I'd go lightweight, personally.) Sounds like an awesome build. Don't forget to order a BUIS –– Larue's LT103 or LMT BUIS for fixed options. Troy or KAC for flip-up options. Have fun waiting and YOU MUST POST PICS WHEN YOU RECEIVE IT THIS SUMMER... 
|
|
Quoted:
1) skip the cheapo free-float tube. No tangible benefits (accuracy or otherwise) on an M4 platform. Go with standard CAR or M4 plastic handguards. If you want to try a VFG somewhere down the road, a piece of rail and grip will do the trick. Then, if necessary, go with a railed set (e.g., KAC RAS) or a sturdy free-float (e.g., Omega (for least amount of installation hassle) or LaRue, DD). 2) when ordering the M4 kit from Del-Ton the milspec CTR will come in a bundle with a milspec tube. You're good to go. 3) don't forget to request an F-marked FSB when you order. 4) any reason you don't go with the lightweight barrel instead of the M4? (Advantages: save $20 and a teeny bit of weight for a slightly faster handling carbine. Disadvantages: you can't mount an M203 grenade launcher and you lose the "look" of an M4. I'd go lightweight, personally.) Sounds like an awesome build. Don't forget to order a BUIS –– Larue's LT103 or LMT BUIS for fixed options. Troy or KAC for flip-up options. Have fun waiting and YOU MUST POST PICS WHEN YOU RECEIVE IT THIS SUMMER... +1 to everything N2CH said. Get M4 handguards for now, F-marked FSB, I'd keep the M4 barrel, and go with any of the BUIS he recommended. |
|
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
The biggest problem i see is the blatant lack of a picture. This. Until you make with the pics, I have reason to doubt the existence of this so called "build".  +1 For these guys I guess you could call DelTon and see if they would email you a pic of the rifle kit that you just ordered which won't show up for 4-6 months. Surely they have time to take pics for you with that 4-6 month backorder. 
Other than that, I would forego the tube and go ahead and install a good free float rail. You'll probably end up putting one on there sooner or later. |
|
Not trying to hijack this thread, but did I make a mistake when ordering my RRA mid-length A4 upper? I ordered with with the standard A2 front sight and no carry handle as I plan on putting on a Troy flip-up rear sight and will be swapping out the handguard for DD Omega rails.. If I did make a mistake? What style sight/gas block would you suggest? I would also prefer to have Troy front sights to match the rear sights. Here are RRA's options:
A2 Front Sight Weaver Type Gas Block: +$35.00 Gas Block/Detachable Front Sight: +$75.00 RRA Flip Front Sight Gas Block: +$80.00 A.R.M.S. 41BL, with lug: +$145.00 A.R.M.S. 41B, without lug: +$140.00 |
|
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
The biggest problem i see is the blatant lack of a picture. This. Until you make with the pics, I have reason to doubt the existence of this so called "build". +1 For these guys I guess you could call DelTon and see if they would email you a pic of the rifle kit that you just ordered which won't show up for 4-6 months. Surely they have time to take pics for you with that 4-6 month backorder.
Other than that, I would forego the tube and go ahead and install a good free float rail. You'll probably end up putting one on there sooner or later. my bad -1 and FAIL for me since I didn't read the post close enough.
|
|
Quoted:
Quoted:
1) skip the cheapo free-float tube. No tangible benefits (accuracy or otherwise) on an M4 platform. Go with standard CAR or M4 plastic handguards. If you want to try a VFG somewhere down the road, a piece of rail and grip will do the trick. Then, if necessary, go with a railed set (e.g., KAC RAS) or a sturdy free-float (e.g., Omega (for least amount of installation hassle) or LaRue, DD). 2) when ordering the M4 kit from Del-Ton the milspec CTR will come in a bundle with a milspec tube. You're good to go. 3) don't forget to request an F-marked FSB when you order. 4) any reason you don't go with the lightweight barrel instead of the M4? (Advantages: save $20 and a teeny bit of weight for a slightly faster handling carbine. Disadvantages: you can't mount an M203 grenade launcher and you lose the "look" of an M4. I'd go lightweight, personally.) Sounds like an awesome build. Don't forget to order a BUIS –– Larue's LT103 or LMT BUIS for fixed options. Troy or KAC for flip-up options. Have fun waiting and YOU MUST POST PICS WHEN YOU RECEIVE IT THIS SUMMER... +1 to everything N2CH said. Get M4 handguards for now, F-marked FSB, I'd keep the M4 barrel, and go with any of the BUIS he recommended. +1 I would agree with this. I also noticed you went with a Dark Earth stock. Just my opinion but I would get a dark earth MIAD or whatever grip you prefer as well as some dark earth pmags to tie it all in. That's just my preference though and the great thing about ARs is that you can do whatever the hell you want to customize it 
Check out this thread for Dark Earth inspiration
Dark Earth Pic Thread |
|
Wow, thanks for all the great responses guys!
I really would prefer a rail, but I'm not exactly sure which one and I don't want to spend the extra money right now. They did have a decent price on the YHM rails through Del-ton, but I was a little afraid after reading that someone's tango down VFG didn't fit. It seems like people really like the Omega rail, but that is really spendy. Thanks for the heads up on the "F" marked Gas Block, in all honestly, I really hate the A2 site/gas block, but it is cheap. I would really prefer to go with a rail system and us a rail mounted flip up site (I could just buy the Magpul site set). If I had my drothers, I would order the low YHM from Del-ton and run a rail system, seems very versatile to me. I went with the Magpul stock simply because I hate basic M4 stock moves so much even when it's locked into position. If I buy the CTR through Magpul, it is only a $60 upgrade vs. $100 later, that was my thinking anyways. As far as rear site goes, I was going to go with the Magpul MBUS if it ever comes out, simply because of price and the initial reviews sounded really good. Luckily, as it stands, I have 16 weeks, to wait for Magpul to make them available 
Eventually, I will get a sling setup, but I don't have the heart to pay some of the prices people are asking so I'll either make one myself or ask my mother-in-law to do it. We have a couple of very nice Junki sewing machines that will eat the toughest fabrics up. I can get the buckles etc from REI or something similar if I need to. |
|
Quoted:
Wow, thanks for all the great responses guys! I really would prefer a rail, but I'm not exactly sure which one and I don't want to spend the extra money right now. They did have a decent price on the YHM rails through Del-ton, but I was a little afraid after reading that someone's tango down VFG didn't fit. It seems like people really like the Omega rail, but that is really spendy. Thanks for the heads up on the "F" marked Gas Block, in all honestly, I really hate the A2 site/gas block, but it is cheap. I would really prefer to go with a rail system and us a rail mounted flip up site (I could just buy the Magpul site set). If I had my drothers, I would order the low YHM from Del-ton and run a rail system, seems very versatile to me. I went with the Magpul stock simply because I hate basic M4 stock moves so much even when it's locked into position. If I buy the CTR through Magpul, it is only a $60 upgrade vs. $100 later, that was my thinking anyways. As far as rear site goes, I was going to go with the Magpul MBUS if it ever comes out, simply because of price and the initial reviews sounded really good. Luckily, as it stands, I have 16 weeks, to wait for Magpul to make them available
Eventually, I will get a sling setup, but I don't have the heart to pay some of the prices people are asking so I'll either make one myself or ask my mother-in-law to do it. We have a couple of very nice Junki sewing machines that will eat the toughest fabrics up. I can get the buckles etc from REI or something similar if I need to. Sounds like you're on the right track. If you want a great rail system consider the Daniel Defense Omega. I absolutely love mine. |
AR Sponsor