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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - DD LPK (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 12/1/2013 11:11:36 AM EDT
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Do you guys think this kit is worth the extra $30 ($50 w/ black friday sales)
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Its not worth it to me. When I built my first lower, I used DD cause I thought it was the best lpk. Come to find out the trigger was grittier than I expected.
In my other builds, used Brownells lpk minus the trigger. Used ALG triggers instead. In the end, it's just springs and detents which are pretty much the same. What you're paying for is the name in my opinion. But in the end it's your money and if it gives you peace of mind so be it. Good luck |
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I've never purchased one so I'm not sure on their quality, but I'm pretty sure they're all the same across the board.
That being said I would probably spend my money on them if I felt the need to. Go with a WOA LPK and chose your trigger. Weaponoutfitters has the WOA in stock and you can pick which trigger you want to be shipped with your LPK. WOA + Geissele trigger = Gold |
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Compared to what? The $30 premium over who? $30 more than DPMS? Hell yeah! $30 more than STAG? Not so much.
Yeah many places get their parts from the same casters... that means jack shit. Everyone can spec their parts differently. Like how Delton got screwed because the place that makes their bolts mixed in bolts from another customer that specced weaker steel. Or how Honda and Ford get gears from the same plant in Ohio. |
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Stag kits have been my default gtg kit. To me the DD premium isn't worth it. Thanks. Looking for responses like this. Your supposed logic misleads you, Grasshopper. Are you looking for information or for affirmation? |
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Compared to what? The $30 premium over who? $30 more than DPMS? Hell yeah! $30 more than STAG? Not so much. Yeah many places get their parts from the same casters... that means jack shit. Everyone can spec their parts differently. Like how Delton got screwed because the place that makes their bolts mixed in bolts from another customer that specced weaker steel. Or how Honda and Ford get gears from the same plant in Ohio. Over Stag/CMT, Spikes, PSA, CMMG... CMMG kits are only $50 right now at Primary Arms |
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Stag kits have been my default gtg kit. To me the DD premium isn't worth it. Thanks. Looking for responses like this. Your supposed logic misleads you, Grasshopper. Are you looking for information or for affirmation? Supposed logic? I am looking for information. I am wondering if the 30$ premium on the DD parts kit actually buys me something that I wouldn't get in a CMT, Spikes, CMMG kit? |
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They are the BEST kits I have used, and $30 is not much to me....but its your money... One note out of the 5 DD kits I have used I did have 1 very gritty trigger, guessing it was a fluke, other ones are very nice for a stock trigger... What exactly makes them better in your opinion? |
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Stag kits have been my default gtg kit. To me the DD premium isn't worth it. Thanks. Looking for responses like this. Your supposed logic misleads you, Grasshopper. Are you looking for information or for affirmation? Supposed logic? I am looking for information. I am wondering if the 30$ premium on the DD parts kit actually buys me something that I wouldn't get in a CMT, Spikes, CMMG kit? The extra $30 gets you the DD name. It may not mean much to you, but it means a lot to me. Some guys here are going to tell you that it doesn't matter and that "parts are parts," and they all come from the same place. The fact is that they have no idea who sources their parts from whom, and to what specs those parts are produced. It may very well be that DD gets all of the exact same parts from the exact same place, to the exact same specs as say DPMS. If that is the case, then I guess I'm paying too much for a DD lpk over a DPMS. Myself, I'll pay the extra $30 for the DD, because DD has built a solid reputation for putting out top notch parts and not cutting corners. If that equates to "paying for a name," then so be it. |
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Stag kits have been my default gtg kit. To me the DD premium isn't worth it. Thanks. Looking for responses like this. Your supposed logic misleads you, Grasshopper. Are you looking for information or for affirmation? Supposed logic? I am looking for information. I am wondering if the 30$ premium on the DD parts kit actually buys me something that I wouldn't get in a CMT, Spikes, CMMG kit? Answer = NO!! But you get 10 cool guy points for using a DD LPK.................. 
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Think its more of a peace of mind thing more than anything. Most people swap out the trigger and pistol grip anyways.
I bought a spikes kit because I know their a quality company. But really I doubt their springs and detents are any different than anyone elses. In the end its your choice. I buy from reputable companies just for the peace of mind. Again majority of regulars on here are swapping out most of the main stuff anyways.. like pistol grip, trigger, trigger guard, ambi safeties. Basically when I describe my build id rather say it has a spikes LPK or DD lpk than a dpms lol. |
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Compared to what? The $30 premium over who? $30 more than DPMS? Hell yeah! $30 more than STAG? Not so much. Yeah many places get their parts from the same casters... that means jack shit. Everyone can spec their parts differently. Like how Delton got screwed because the place that makes their bolts mixed in bolts from another customer that specced weaker steel. Or how Honda and Ford get gears from the same plant in Ohio. Over Stag/CMT, Spikes, PSA, CMMG... CMMG kits are only $50 right now at Primary Arms Those are pretty good parts kits. If you were talking about DPMS or Oly, then it would be completely different. I've seen more problems... a higher percent of problems... from those two than any other brand. I've never seen a Spike's, BCM, LMT, Colt, Noveske, DD, etc have broken hammer or trigger pins. I've seen plenty of DPMS and Oly. I've assembled hundreds of lowers (I used to work foran '07 manufacturer and they have their own lowers, I did most of the lower assemblies at the retail store) mostly with DPMS, but also CMMG. I only ever had a problem with DPMS... the triggers weren't consistent, some were too wide to fit into lowers, some were just snug, some fit fine. CMMG triggers are consistent, and have a decent pull. Much less gritty creep than DPMS. The Stag parts I've used have been pretty good as well, but I don't have nearly the experience with them. I've only used a handful of PSA kits, and haven't had any customers come in with any reviews. |
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I've used dd psa stag and others unknown.
truthfully the only difference I've noticed is that dd safeties are a little more snug. In terms of trigger the best one I've actually felt is a factory Bushmaster belive it or not. Stick with major manufacturers and you'll be ok. |
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Not asking if they are gtg. I am sure they are. Are they worth the extra money is the question. No. They get their parts from the same source as everyone else. Source? I thought they made their own LPK. |
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Not asking if they are gtg. I am sure they are. Are they worth the extra money is the question. No. They get their parts from the same source as everyone else. Source? I thought they made their own LPK. No, they definitely don't. |
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Not asking if they are gtg. I am sure they are. Are they worth the extra money is the question. No. They get their parts from the same source as everyone else. Source? I thought they made their own LPK. no the don't and neither does 99% of the brands out there |
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Not asking if they are gtg. I am sure they are. Are they worth the extra money is the question. No. They get their parts from the same source as everyone else. Source? I thought they made their own LPK. no the don't and neither does 99% of the brands out there I have heard that Oly Arms and LMT make their own LPKs less springs so it isn't a hard to believe that DD does the same |
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Not asking if they are gtg. I am sure they are. Are they worth the extra money is the question. No. They get their parts from the same source as everyone else. Source? I thought they made their own LPK. no the don't and neither does 99% of the brands out there I have heard that Oly Arms and LMT make their own LPKs less springs so it isn't a hard to believe that DD does the same DD makes everything in house people. If you ask them, they'll tell you that they make 99 plus percent of everything in house solely because every once in a blue moon they may run out of a small part here or there and temporarily source it. With that said, once again, they do make everything in house. |
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I was not impressed with my DD kit. The safety selector was smaller in spec causeing it have a slight wobble in the lower. And the selector groove was kinda rough which chewed up the tip of the safety detent, which looks like cheap pot metal used in the hotwheels toy cars.
I've been happy with stag, cmmg, spikes, and psa. |
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A lot of this DD trigger talk has me scratching my head. Back when I would actually fire a rifle with a standard milspec trigger, I found DD to be about as good as it gets. That was certainly their reputation from several others as well.
In reality, who really plans to stick with a standard milspec trigger anyways? To each their own I guess. |
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I think you're missing the point here.
Let me rephrase this in a different way...there is not a single other black rifle company who manufacturers more of their parts in house than DD. How's that work for you? Mind you. I'm not even trying to point this out as a selling point either. I just grow tired of people trying to claim a company like DD is sourcing a bunch of their parts and what not. As said, there's no company producing more in house than they are. That is fact. |
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The extra $30 gets you the DD name. It may not mean much to you, but it means a lot to me. Some guys here are going to tell you that it doesn't matter and that "parts are parts," and they all come from the same place. The fact is that they have no idea who sources their parts from whom, and to what specs those parts are produced. It may very well be that DD gets all of the exact same parts from the exact same place, to the exact same specs as say DPMS. If that is the case, then I guess I'm paying too much for a DD lpk over a DPMS. Myself, I'll pay the extra $30 for the DD, because DD has built a solid reputation for putting out top notch parts and not cutting corners. If that equates to "paying for a name," then so be it. Quoted:
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Stag kits have been my default gtg kit. To me the DD premium isn't worth it. Thanks. Looking for responses like this. Your supposed logic misleads you, Grasshopper. Are you looking for information or for affirmation? Supposed logic? I am looking for information. I am wondering if the 30$ premium on the DD parts kit actually buys me something that I wouldn't get in a CMT, Spikes, CMMG kit? The extra $30 gets you the DD name. It may not mean much to you, but it means a lot to me. Some guys here are going to tell you that it doesn't matter and that "parts are parts," and they all come from the same place. The fact is that they have no idea who sources their parts from whom, and to what specs those parts are produced. It may very well be that DD gets all of the exact same parts from the exact same place, to the exact same specs as say DPMS. If that is the case, then I guess I'm paying too much for a DD lpk over a DPMS. Myself, I'll pay the extra $30 for the DD, because DD has built a solid reputation for putting out top notch parts and not cutting corners. If that equates to "paying for a name," then so be it. It's a bunch of springs and pins and shit, who would even know if it were DD or not anyways. lol |
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The DD is my favorite kit. Has the best stock trigger that I have felt. Granted, I have ditched them for Gieselle's, but I have transplanted them in other friend's / family rifles, and they all comment about the upgrade.
I like the finish on the parts. Stone me for it. When they went unobtanium this year, I went Stag. They are nice, too. I could care less who actually made them for DD, it is definitely DD spec. I have had lots of LPKs, and this is what I have noticed. If they are back when I put my 2 SBR lowers together, I will buy them again. If not, I will get Stag. |
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If they are back when I put my 2 SBR lowers together, I will buy them again. If not, I will get Stag. They are back in stock at a few places. I bought one a few weeks ago to put in my next build. The DD lpk in my other build is top notch. It has the best mil-spec trigger I've felt with no grit and a smooth pull. |
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I have used one DD LPK and it has a horrible trigger. I am actually going to replace the DD trigger with one of several DPMS triggers have lying around. I will not be buying another DD LPK. don't be shocked when that DPMS trigger is worse than the DD, that's what DPMS is know for 
all the DD kits i have used have been VERY good, Stag is also an excellent choice, great out of the package trigger and spiral lock roll pins, J&T/ Double Star is the best kept secret in LPK's i have ever run across, they share the same positive features as Stag, with extra detents and springs to boot. i have used MANY lpk's out there, CMMG will be on the short list of LPK's i'll try again. they had the stones to come into a thread and explain that they changed a finishing process to have higher quality triggers. i respect that. as far as Spikes, PSA, and DPMS they are all the same to me, good enough to use in a pinch. honestly people the way to go now is buy a LPK without a trigger goup, the Geissele triggers or ALG's from them for 65 or 45 bucks is the way to go. the trigger group is the fastest way to "wake up" a black rifle, i have at least 10 stock trigger kits in Geissele packages laying on a shelf in my man cave. i could not be happier with my choice of upgrading trigger. i know we have lots of LPK threads, to the new guys, buy what you want, but carefully read through these threads and you will see that Daniel defense and Stag are the MOST recommended LPK's for a reason. OP i hope that helps |
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My experience with LPK's is three factory Bushmaster rifles, three or four DPMS LPK's on home built rifles and two DD LPK's on home built rifles. Hands down without a shred of doubt in my mine the DD LPK's have had the tightest receiver pins, tightest safeties and tight triggers with the best pull for a money. I definately notice a difference between DD and the brands I've tried. I currently only own DD LPK's and I've got one DD LPK I swapped that I swapped out the trigger to a ALG Defense ACT trigger set. I know the ACT is a GOOD stock trigger with a awesome reputation and I can't tell the difference between that and the DD trigger but I could the others. |
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DD makes everything in house people. If you ask them, they'll tell you that they make 99 plus percent of everything in house solely because every once in a blue moon they may run out of a small part here or there and temporarily source it. With that said, once again, they do make everything in house. And to add to that Colt makes everything in house. They hold the TDP and even the small detents and springs have specs. Parts are not parts and the bullshit myth that all AR parts and LPK are the same and come from the same place is just that, BULLSHIT. You want to be cheap then buy whatever LPK you want but don't try to justfy it by saying all parts are the same and come from the same place because that's a lie. |
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And to add to that Colt makes everything in house. They hold the TDP and even the small detents and springs have specs. Parts are not parts and the bullshit myth that all AR parts and LPK are the same and come from the same place is just that, BULLSHIT. You want to be cheap then buy whatever LPK you want but don't try to justfy it by saying all parts are the same and come from the same place because that's a lie. Quoted:
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DD makes everything in house people. If you ask them, they'll tell you that they make 99 plus percent of everything in house solely because every once in a blue moon they may run out of a small part here or there and temporarily source it. With that said, once again, they do make everything in house. And to add to that Colt makes everything in house. They hold the TDP and even the small detents and springs have specs. Parts are not parts and the bullshit myth that all AR parts and LPK are the same and come from the same place is just that, BULLSHIT. You want to be cheap then buy whatever LPK you want but don't try to justfy it by saying all parts are the same and come from the same place because that's a lie. Colt CAN make everything in house, but they do not necessarily do so all the time. |
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And to add to that Colt makes everything in house. They hold the TDP and even the small detents and springs have specs. Parts are not parts and the bullshit myth that all AR parts and LPK are the same and come from the same place is just that, BULLSHIT. You want to be cheap then buy whatever LPK you want but don't try to justfy it by saying all parts are the same and come from the same place because that's a lie. Quoted:
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DD makes everything in house people. If you ask them, they'll tell you that they make 99 plus percent of everything in house solely because every once in a blue moon they may run out of a small part here or there and temporarily source it. With that said, once again, they do make everything in house. And to add to that Colt makes everything in house. They hold the TDP and even the small detents and springs have specs. Parts are not parts and the bullshit myth that all AR parts and LPK are the same and come from the same place is just that, BULLSHIT. You want to be cheap then buy whatever LPK you want but don't try to justfy it by saying all parts are the same and come from the same place because that's a lie. lol...so do you know the metal composition of all these parts that are made to the same specs across all the makes? a detent pin, roll pin, buffer retainer etc are all the basic same stuff. The branding and marketing make ti different. The cost to put machines in house to make these parts drives up the cost and in many cases is deemed unworthy from the price standpoint. Even if they did, they'd source the same metals etc and build to the same specs as everyone else unless you want to now tell us those little pins are somehow stronger in a colt vs a DD or a lwrc or a dpms. for example, cmmg has to charge more cause they have package everything differently as that is how they market and sell it. It's take time, labor, and other materials for all those nifty little bags to be filled. lpk is a lpk...... |
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lol...so do you know the metal composition of all these parts that are made to the same specs across all the makes? a detent pin, roll pin, buffer retainer etc are all the basic same stuff. The branding and marketing make ti different. The cost to put machines in house to make these parts drives up the cost and in many cases is deemed unworthy from the price standpoint. Even if they did, they'd source the same metals etc and build to the same specs as everyone else unless you want to now tell us those little pins are somehow stronger in a colt vs a DD or a lwrc or a dpms. for example, cmmg has to charge more cause they have package everything differently as that is how they market and sell it. It's take time, labor, and other materials for all those nifty little bags to be filled. lpk is a lpk...... Quoted:
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DD makes everything in house people. If you ask them, they'll tell you that they make 99 plus percent of everything in house solely because every once in a blue moon they may run out of a small part here or there and temporarily source it. With that said, once again, they do make everything in house. And to add to that Colt makes everything in house. They hold the TDP and even the small detents and springs have specs. Parts are not parts and the bullshit myth that all AR parts and LPK are the same and come from the same place is just that, BULLSHIT. You want to be cheap then buy whatever LPK you want but don't try to justfy it by saying all parts are the same and come from the same place because that's a lie. lol...so do you know the metal composition of all these parts that are made to the same specs across all the makes? a detent pin, roll pin, buffer retainer etc are all the basic same stuff. The branding and marketing make ti different. The cost to put machines in house to make these parts drives up the cost and in many cases is deemed unworthy from the price standpoint. Even if they did, they'd source the same metals etc and build to the same specs as everyone else unless you want to now tell us those little pins are somehow stronger in a colt vs a DD or a lwrc or a dpms. for example, cmmg has to charge more cause they have package everything differently as that is how they market and sell it. It's take time, labor, and other materials for all those nifty little bags to be filled. lpk is a lpk...... I agree with you as it relates to certain parts like detents and selector springs. I'm not sure what can be done to produce a superior detent. However, a lpk includes more significant items like pins, mag catch, bolt release, fcg, etc. If a company does not maintain proper inspection and quality control procedures, some of these items can get sloppy. If a company is primarily focused upon pumping out lpk's at bargain basement prices, it stands to reason that they may be inclined to cut corners. Companies like DD have built solid reputations and seek to maintain those reputations. They have a track record of putting out quality products for a reason. You can say it is just "branding and marketing," but I believe it is more than that. lpk is NOT lpk. Some of the parts perhaps, but others no. |
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I agree with you as it relates to certain parts like detents and selector springs. I'm not sure what can be done to produce a superior detent. However, a lpk includes more significant items like pins, mag catch, bolt release, fcg, etc. If a company does not maintain proper inspection and quality control procedures, some of these items can get sloppy. If a company is primarily focused upon pumping out lpk's at bargain basement prices, it stands to reason that they may be inclined to cut corners. Companies like DD have built solid reputations and seek to maintain those reputations. They have a track record of putting out quality products for a reason. You can say it is just "branding and marketing," but I believe it is more than that. lpk is NOT lpk. Some of the parts perhaps, but others no. Quoted:
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DD makes everything in house people. If you ask them, they'll tell you that they make 99 plus percent of everything in house solely because every once in a blue moon they may run out of a small part here or there and temporarily source it. With that said, once again, they do make everything in house. And to add to that Colt makes everything in house. They hold the TDP and even the small detents and springs have specs. Parts are not parts and the bullshit myth that all AR parts and LPK are the same and come from the same place is just that, BULLSHIT. You want to be cheap then buy whatever LPK you want but don't try to justfy it by saying all parts are the same and come from the same place because that's a lie. lol...so do you know the metal composition of all these parts that are made to the same specs across all the makes? a detent pin, roll pin, buffer retainer etc are all the basic same stuff. The branding and marketing make ti different. The cost to put machines in house to make these parts drives up the cost and in many cases is deemed unworthy from the price standpoint. Even if they did, they'd source the same metals etc and build to the same specs as everyone else unless you want to now tell us those little pins are somehow stronger in a colt vs a DD or a lwrc or a dpms. for example, cmmg has to charge more cause they have package everything differently as that is how they market and sell it. It's take time, labor, and other materials for all those nifty little bags to be filled. lpk is a lpk...... I agree with you as it relates to certain parts like detents and selector springs. I'm not sure what can be done to produce a superior detent. However, a lpk includes more significant items like pins, mag catch, bolt release, fcg, etc. If a company does not maintain proper inspection and quality control procedures, some of these items can get sloppy. If a company is primarily focused upon pumping out lpk's at bargain basement prices, it stands to reason that they may be inclined to cut corners. Companies like DD have built solid reputations and seek to maintain those reputations. They have a track record of putting out quality products for a reason. You can say it is just "branding and marketing," but I believe it is more than that. lpk is NOT lpk. Some of the parts perhaps, but others no. I'll give you fcg but the rest is still made of the same base components to industry specs. |
| I used DD cause I thought it was the best lpk. Come to find out the trigger was grittier than I expected.http://goo.gl/FD5Gqx |
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I'll give you fcg but the rest is still made of the same base components to industry specs. Or a few different ones... Some detents are more.... um, pointy than others causing the safety or take down and pivot pins to be harder to move. Some springs are longer or shorter than others and some are stiffer or less so than others, again making it harder or easier to move pins or safety. The heat treat on the hammer and trigger pins varies from company to company... you can see them wear differently, and you can see the ones that break more often. Some takedown and pivot pins have a different diameter so they will fit tighter or looser than others in the same lower. There are safeties that are longer... not the lever but the part that goes through the receiver, so the lever sticks out further from the receiver with a gap. |
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