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Posted: 2/22/2003 6:18:15 PM EDT
| I have had an opportunity to purchase a DIAS that is claimed to be made before Nov.1 1981. How could a person prove the manafacture date of the item. |
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This is from an ad that you saw in Shotgun News or something? Ever notice how the ad is from a suburb of DC, like a place where you might find several federal government offices? Pony up for the couple thousand for an honest registered DIAS. Anything less will land you in pound-me-in-the-ass prison for way too long. |
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Ru-legal, The only legal way that the Pre-81 DIAS could be used, is as a LEO convertion device (registered), or as a replacement for a registered receiver (pre May, 19 1986) that used a NON-registered DIAS, instead of the factory auto sear to convert the receiver. The possession of a non-registered DIAS (even a PRE-81), and any semi AR-15 is considered to be intent to convert an AR-15 to a machine gun by the BATF. Considering that if you needed a replacement DIAS for your registered machine gun (as stated above) a smith could make a replacement for a lot less money than that of the SGN price. If you don't own a registered AR-15 (as stated above) that needs a replacement DIAS, then it's a lot of money for a paperweight. Bottom line is unless there is an NFA Registry amnesty, and you could register the device; look else where for a pretty paperweight. Dano |
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Just thought I would ask. I thought it was too good to be true. But If a person had a DIAS made prior to Nov. 1, 1981 which is suppose to be excluded from the law what good would it be. How would you get it registered or could you? How could you prove it was made before that date? Looks like you could prove it was made after the date by the serial but before the date without a serial would be hard to prove either way. |
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In 1981 BATF issued new regulations for Drop in auto sears. Those made before that date were left unregulated, other than the "simultaneous possession" restrictions. Those made after the date were treated as machine guns. For and individual to possess one legally, it had to be registered. Due to the outcome of a criminal court case, the status of unregistered drop in auto sears is uncertain. In 1998, the Seventh Court of Appeals for Indiana, Illinios and Wisconsin, ruled that pre-1981 drop in auto sears are unregistered machine guns. BATF has made no formal ruling or statement concerning the Seventh Court's ruling. Owners of unregistered pre-1981 drop in auto sears should be aware they might be in possession of an unregistered machine gun. The above was taken from an article entitled "Don't let your ignorance turn you into a felon" by M. Mendenhall, Shotgun News, Volume 57-issue 3. |
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Quoted: Considering that if you needed a replacement DIAS for your registered machine gun (as stated above) a smith could make a replacement for a lot less money than that of the SGN price. If you don't own a registered AR-15 (as stated above) that needs a replacement DIAS, then it's a lot of money for a paperweight. Actually, no - if a smith makes a new DIAS, it's a new (post-81) DIAS, which makes it a machinegun subject to registration and would become a post-sample. Only a pre-81 unserialled non-registerable DIAS can be used as a replacement part in those DIAS-converted "registered receivers". Any part of the DIAS can be replaced, except the main body, which is the serialled part and subject to registration if made new. |
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Quoted: Sorry about that Circuts, I got on a role and was tring to make a point and should have said repaired. Also, any word on a production date for your belt feed upper that you have listed on your web page? Dano: I've got a patent attorney working on my patent application for it right now. Once I've filed and gone patent pending, I'll start shopping for a manufacturer to "productize" the prototype and see about getting into production. I'll post more technical details on my design once it's protected, but basically it's intended to be a very low cost way to feed linked ammo in the AR-15/M16 without major alterations. Materials and manufacturing details will determine what the final price is, but I'm trying to keep it under $1000. |
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Quoted: Just thought I would ask. I thought it was too good to be true. But If a person had a DIAS made prior to Nov. 1, 1981 which is suppose to be excluded from the law what good would it be. How would you get it registered or could you? How could you prove it was made before that date? Looks like you could prove it was made after the date by the serial but before the date without a serial would be hard to prove either way. These adds for the pre 81 DIAS are misleading. It tends to make people think they can use it in an AR15. BTW - Does anyone know the going price for a transferable DIAS? |
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