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Posted: 2/14/2012 4:57:39 PM EDT
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I really want to know why everyone bad mouths DPMS for entry to mid level rifle it is pretty good. I have my reasons for picking it.
One the factory and HQ of DPMS are in Minnesota next to Iowa Second I like how they built everything by themselfs and are called a real rifle company Third availablity in my state with a reasonable price. Now give me legitamate reasons why they are a horrible company? |
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There is a phenomenon that I call "Amplification by Internet."
I read about a guy who knew a guy whose brother knew a guy that had a friend who said his cousin's DPMS was a POS. That one bad rifle, if it ever really existed, was multiplied by 1000... and here we are. 
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because of threads on this very board showing their poor products, even a thread here or there where the DPMS Rep completely bailed on their crappy handywork. DPMS has a history of using out of spec parts.
Better yet, with the prices of ARs dropping, why even bother? When a Spikes can be had for $750 or a BCM or Colt in the $800-1000 range, it seems like a no-brainer. Sure DPMS makes plenty of rifles that work just fine. But for me it's about minimizing risk of failure. ymmv As a disclaimer, my first AR was a DPMS and it ran fine for the few hundred rounds I put through it. |
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There is a phenomenon that I call "Amplification by Internet." I read about a guy who knew a guy whose brother knew a guy that had a friend who said his cousin's DPMS was a POS. That one bad rifle, if it ever really existed, was multiplied by 1000... and here we are.
That pretty much sums it up. 
I am also a happy DPMS owner with zero problems and yes I would buy from the again. |
| every maker has issues as nothing is perfect. It's a fact that people equate quality with price so people that spend more think they have better. Every maker has threads here about poor quality, it happens and/or people like to bitch. I will say this however, there are few makers where people come out in droves to highlight the accuracy and quality for a product like they do the dpms except for maybe the colt sect...lol |
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Because there's better for the money is the correct answer
But keep trying to justify your purchase by creating threads, just like how DPMS owners come out and say they shot 1k rounds and didn't have any issues Don't try and rationalize what I've said dpms owners - should we venture into the carbine class 11k round count territory, or the all ar's are made by the same 3 companies arena |
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I really want to know why everyone bad mouths DPMS for entry to mid level rifle it is pretty good. I have my reasons for picking it. One the factory and HQ of DPMS are in Minnesota next to Iowa Second I like how they built everything by themselfs and are called a real rifle company??? Third availablity in my state with a reasonable price. Now give me legitamate reasons why they are a horrible company? Not sure what you mean by that. DPMS is just an assembler like 99% of other ar15 makers. They don't make very many (if any) of there own parts in house. ETA: They are not the horrible company many people make them out to be though. |
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Because there's better for the money is the correct answer But keep trying to justify your purchase by creating threads, just like how DPMS owners come out and say they shot 1k rounds and didn't have any issues Don't try and rationalize what I've said dpms owners - should we venture into the carbine class 11k round count territory, or the all ar's are made by the same 3 companies arena How many DPMS products do you own? |
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Because there's better for the money is the correct answer But keep trying to justify your purchase by creating threads, just like how DPMS owners come out and say they shot 1k rounds and didn't have any issues Don't try and rationalize what I've said dpms owners - should we venture into the carbine class 11k round count territory, or the all ar's are made by the same 3 companies arena How many DPMS products do you own? How many BCM products do you own? I have a complete BCM, 200 rds so far and no ftf's |
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Because there's better for the money is the correct answer But keep trying to justify your purchase by creating threads, just like how DPMS owners come out and say they shot 1k rounds and didn't have any issues Don't try and rationalize what I've said dpms owners - should we venture into the carbine class 11k round count territory, or the all ar's are made by the same 3 companies arena How many DPMS products do you own? How many BCM products do you own? I have a complete BCM, 200 rds so far and no ftf's I also own bcm products and think they are some of the best available. But to be honest man, 200 rds isn't shit. ETA: I put over 200 rounds through my DD and BCM rifles within the first hour of purchasing them. |
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Because there's better for the money is the correct answer But keep trying to justify your purchase by creating threads, just like how DPMS owners come out and say they shot 1k rounds and didn't have any issues Don't try and rationalize what I've said dpms owners - should we venture into the carbine class 11k round count territory, or the all ar's are made by the same 3 companies arena How many DPMS products do you own? How many BCM products do you own? I have a complete BCM, 200 rds so far and no ftf's I also own bcm products and think they are some of the best available. But to be honest man, 200 rds isn't shit. LOL..very true.... BCM is very nice but it's also more expensive. DPMS is fine and if you are happy with it then enjoy. |
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Because there's better for the money is the correct answer But keep trying to justify your purchase by creating threads, just like how DPMS owners come out and say they shot 1k rounds and didn't have any issues Don't try and rationalize what I've said dpms owners - should we venture into the carbine class 11k round count territory, or the all ar's are made by the same 3 companies arena How many DPMS products do you own? How many BCM products do you own? I have a complete BCM, 200 rds so far and no ftf's Wow, I'm impressed. I have 2 BCM uppers and 2 really cool hats. Total combined BCM round count is somewhere around 7K... give or take. I also own DPMS, RRA, Armalite, Spikes, and Bushmaster. When you buy and run a DPMS product for awhile, then I'll take your analysis of DPMS owners seriously. |
| Depends on what for. For shooting at dirt clods anything will do just fine, and if that's all its gonna be great. One of my buddies does exactly that with a dpms and uses a shotgun for his home defense rig, he's very happy. Others want closer to milspec because they want it for duty/hd use, and the extra testing and higher specs give them peace of mind. Me, I won't trust my life to anything until it has 2000 rounds on it AT MINIMUM, more is better, but until it's been vetted by me, it ain't going in the defense role, no matter who's name is on it. Right now, that rifle is a Colt, and there's also a Stag. If I had a proven DPMS I'd trust it too. |
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Depends on what for. For shooting at dirt clods anything will do just fine, and if that's all its gonna be great. One of my buddies does exactly that with a dpms and uses a shotgun for his home defense rig, he's very happy. Others want closer to milspec because they want it for duty/hd use, and the extra testing and higher specs give them peace of mind. Me, I won't trust my life to anything until it has 2000 rounds on it AT MINIMUM, more is better, but until it's been vetted by me, it ain't going in the defense role, no matter who's name is on it. Right now, that rifle is a Colt, and there's also a Stag. If I had a proven DPMS I'd trust it too. Well said. 
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Depends on what for. For shooting at dirt clods anything will do just fine, and if that's all its gonna be great. One of my buddies does exactly that with a dpms and uses a shotgun for his home defense rig, he's very happy. Others want closer to milspec because they want it for duty/hd use, and the extra testing and higher specs give them peace of mind. Me, I won't trust my life to anything until it has 2000 rounds on it AT MINIMUM, more is better, but until it's been vetted by me, it ain't going in the defense role, no matter who's name is on it. Right now, that rifle is a Colt, and there's also a Stag. If I had a proven DPMS I'd trust it too. Well said. +1 |
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DPMS has always left a bad taste in the mouths of AR owners.. and I really can't figure out why. I own a DPMS upper assembly and it's been rock solid. The finish even seems to match pretty much every high dollar accessory I have mounted to it. Of course the finish of a gun doesn't determine it's usefulness, but when usefulness is even across the board I figure things like finish start to come in to play.
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I know I'm new here and all....
...but do you guys seriously worry that much about HD? It seems like the only thing anyone ever talks about in gun forums. I propose a highly controversial question: Why can't we just admit that we like guns because we like loud noises and fireballs and that we really don't need them? My DPMS upper will make a bad guy just as dead as any other brand...... Quoted:
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Depends on what for. For shooting at dirt clods anything will do just fine, and if that's all its gonna be great. One of my buddies does exactly that with a dpms and uses a shotgun for his home defense rig, he's very happy. Others want closer to milspec because they want it for duty/hd use, and the extra testing and higher specs give them peace of mind. Me, I won't trust my life to anything until it has 2000 rounds on it AT MINIMUM, more is better, but until it's been vetted by me, it ain't going in the defense role, no matter who's name is on it. Right now, that rifle is a Colt, and there's also a Stag. If I had a proven DPMS I'd trust it too. Well said. +1 |
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I love my DPMS. I have shot 4-5K through mine with no probs. and with my next build i am sure i will use some DPMS parts. I think there are 3 issues to consider why DPMS is internet bad mouthed. 1. They are by far the largest and one of the oldest producer and seller of ARs and AR parts on the market. This means there is more product out there, which means that there are a few more lemons from DPMS than say from DD. 2. They are not milspec. I don't think this is a horrible thing but some people here hate that. 3. Its fun to have a whipping boy and if you own a Spikes, BCM, Colt, and now a PSA you want to impress a bunch of strangers on the internet the best way is to brag about your new gun and slam DPMS. Now Spikes, BCM, DD, PSA, etc... are all good companies and people here seem very sastisfied with them, but there is one factor that I really like about DPMS: You can actually go to a gun shop and find one. I have never seen a spikes, BCM, DD, or a PSA in any gun shop i have visited.
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I really want to know why everyone bad mouths DPMS for entry to mid level rifle it is pretty good. I have my reasons for picking it. One the factory and HQ of DPMS are in Minnesota next to Iowa Second I like how they built everything by themselfs and are called a real rifle company??? Third availablity in my state with a reasonable price. Now give me legitamate reasons why they are a horrible company? Not sure what you mean by that. DPMS is just an assembler like 99% of other ar15 makers. They don't make very many (if any) of there own parts in house. ETA: They are not the horrible company many people make them out to be though. They made rifle components before becoming a rifle company says so on there bio. the same goes tocentury arms I believe. |
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Because there's better for the money is the correct answer But keep trying to justify your purchase by creating threads, just like how DPMS owners come out and say they shot 1k rounds and didn't have any issues Don't try and rationalize what I've said dpms owners - should we venture into the carbine class 11k round count territory, or the all ar's are made by the same 3 companies arena How many DPMS products do you own? +1 they have contracts with police and military forces and are the second largest AR company next to bushmaster I think they should get a little more positive feedback |
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I really want to know why everyone bad mouths DPMS for entry to mid level rifle it is pretty good. I have my reasons for picking it. One the factory and HQ of DPMS are in Minnesota next to Iowa Second I like how they built everything by themselfs and are called a real rifle company??? Third availablity in my state with a reasonable price. Now give me legitamate reasons why they are a horrible company? Not sure what you mean by that. DPMS is just an assembler like 99% of other ar15 makers. They don't make very many (if any) of there own parts in house. ETA: They are not the horrible company many people make them out to be though. True Story, I lived in St Cloud for the last three years. There Headquarters is not nearly big enough for them to make anything there other than assembly. Also, a member of my sportsmans club makes there lowers at the company he works for. |
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I love my DPMS. I have shot 4-5K through mine with no probs. and with my next build i am sure i will use some DPMS parts. I think there are 3 issues to consider why DPMS is internet bad mouthed. 1. They are by far the largest and one of the oldest producer and seller of ARs and AR parts on the market. This means there is more product out there, which means that there are a few more lemons from DPMS than say from DD. 2. They are not milspec. I don't think this is a horrible thing but some people here hate that. 3. Its fun to have a whipping boy and if you own a Spikes, BCM, Colt, and now a PSA you want to impress a bunch of strangers on the internet the best way is to brag about your new gun and slam DPMS. Now Spikes, BCM, DD, PSA, etc... are all good companies and people here seem very sastisfied with them, but there is one factor that I really like about DPMS: You can actually go to a gun shop and find one. I have never seen a spikes, BCM, DD, or a PSA in any gun shop i have visited. Thank you I will be building a new AR 15 instead of buying an AK I will probably use a BCM upper Im not saying I don't like other companies I just Think people should show more positive things. I understand that there is a difference between mil spec and commerical its like comparing xbox to the xbox 360 there are more stuff available for it but the xbox still works fine even though its misses advanced options but your still going to pay far less for a product that work excellent |
Heres my DPMS only internal thing changed was the H buffer barrel recievers LPK all the same 1200 round within 5 months and im a college kid so thats why I can afford to shoot 5000 rounds every month and all the crap was bought off ebay cheap. EOtech and rail were christmas/ bday presents also from ebay. |
ordered a DPMS LPK from Delton, and it was out of spec. slightly larger, made for a tight fit. so not all that bad, just a pain to get the roll pins in, but the hammer was complete shit. it was the rounded hammer, that looked to have had the beginning fazes of a notched hammer. ( so picture the rounded hammer with a mm high rectangle on it like the notched hammer does) looked like it was grind down to remove the rectangular shape , put not polished to remove it all. the entire LPK just looked poorly made. very disappointing...
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Because there's better for the money is the correct answer But keep trying to justify your purchase by creating threads, just like how DPMS owners come out and say they shot 1k rounds and didn't have any issues Don't try and rationalize what I've said dpms owners - should we venture into the carbine class 11k round count territory, or the all ar's are made by the same 3 companies arena How many DPMS products do you own? +1 they have contracts with police and military forces and are the second largest AR company next to bushmaster I think they should get a little more positive feedback  |
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ordered a DPMS LPK from Delton, and it was out of spec. slightly larger, made for a tight fit. so not all that bad, just a pain to get the roll pins in, but the hammer was complete shit. it was the rounded hammer, that looked to have had the beginning fazes of a notched hammer. ( so picture the rounded hammer with a mm high rectangle on it like the notched hammer does) looked like it was grind down to remove the rectangular shape , put not polished to remove it all. the entire LPK just looked poorly made. very disappointing... What are the specs for the pin? What did yours measure? My parts looked nicer than my PSA parts. Both work the same. |
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Quoted: I really want to know why everyone bad mouths DPMS for entry to mid level rifle it is pretty good. I have my reasons for picking it. One the factory and HQ of DPMS are in Minnesota next to Iowa So what? Is MN a great gun state? Second I like how they built everything by themselfs and are called a real rifle company If they build shitty parts themselves, does that make them better than a company that subs out to get better components Third availablity in my state with a reasonable price. Okay, but so is every other brand Now give me legitamate reasons why they are a horrible company? Their small parts suck, one legitimate to go against your three fantasy arguments |
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I f you purchased a DPMS rifle and it works fine. Great.
The main thing that ticks me off with DPMS, is all the short cuts. Crappy BCG staking. No castle nut staking. Extremely tight fitting parts. They tend to be short chambered and tight bored barrels. Increases accuracy, but reduces reliability. Lastly chrome lining is an extra request and an additional expense. Rough machining left on the parts, and not polished off to reduce friction. I have observed all of this on Law Enforcement guns, that go in harms way. My M16/AR15 armorer instructor had an enitre tool box of defective, out of spec, unusable parts he had replaced on officers rifles that went through his tactical carbine course. The majority were DPMS, Hesse parts, and a few were colt parts. Simply put, there is better for the money. But it is your choice. By the way, geographical proximity of a firearms maker to my location does little to convince me to purchase a certain brand. And I live in the same state as DPMS. |
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