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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - DPMS AP4 (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 6/23/2009 4:52:49 PM EDT
NIB, under 1K picking it up on thurs.
Kool Aid drinkers discuss! 
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This won't end the way you want it to... However, I think DPMS makes a good rifle. Shoot it and enjoy it! I know DPMS is trashed on a routine basis on this sight, I'm just having some fun! Will be my 2nd DPMS rifle. I think they are very fine weapons and the price was right! Oh and yes, pics with be comming!
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: i have one.....i have only put 2-300 rounds through it but no probs so far and the upper and lower is tight.....no slop anywhere......great rifle  Thats great to hear, I picked up one a few weeks ago for $1299.  You paid $1299 for a DPMS rifle..... I could build a rifle with 100% BCM, and CMMG parts for considerably less than that. DPMS is worth like $700... |
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I know DPMS is trashed on a routine basis on this sight Why is that? I have one and its never been a problem rifle. I don't understand the general disliking of DPMS. Are there some threads someone could direct me to to help me understand? Still trying to get this one answered. |
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I know DPMS is trashed on a routine basis on this sight Why is that? I have one and its never been a problem rifle. I don't understand the general disliking of DPMS. Are there some threads someone could direct me to to help me understand? Still trying to get this one answered. Eh, DPMS has put out a few sloppy rifles in the past. A lot of people don't like them. Etc, etc. My roommate has one and it's been a great gun so far. I believe he paid just about $850 for it in February or so. |
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If I don't have this correct please feel free to point this out.
Cerrebus bought DPMS & Marlin. Cerrebus also bought Remington, who had bought Bushmaster, who had bought Cobb. In other words, they are all under the same umbrella of ownership. That's why remington sells a version of the DPMS 308, and a Bushmaster version of their ar-15 223. I think I have that right, but I could be wrong. It's pretty hard to tell who owns what these days. |
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Yes ––- if your pricing falls in line with this website –– you are getting a decent deal. I overpaid for my Sport Tactical (700 plus 8% tax–– 756 or so) –– the same rifle is $629 on here ! 
oh well ––––––––––- hindsight is 20/20. A good rifle for its price and purpose though––- i like 'em |
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i have one.....i have only put 2-300 rounds through it but no probs so far and the upper and lower is tight.....no slop anywhere......great rifle Thats great to hear, I picked up one a few weeks ago for $1299.  You paid $1299 for a DPMS?! You could have bought a LMT, Colt, or BCM for cheaper than that 
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Picked it up on my lunch break. Nice rifle, fit between upper and lower is very solid. Finish on the gun is perfect. Now I need to get a EOTECH or someting similar for it down the road when my budget allows! http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c46/Unclebillybonz/cid__downsized_0625091353.jpg Looks good ! post a range report when you can ––- hopefully give the haters something else to grumble about |
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i have one.....i have only put 2-300 rounds through it but no probs so far and the upper and lower is tight.....no slop anywhere......great rifle Thats great to hear, I picked up one a few weeks ago for $1299. You paid $1299 for a DPMS?! You could have bought a LMT, Colt, or BCM for cheaper than that Seriously! 
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I know DPMS is trashed on a routine basis on this sight Why is that? I have one and its never been a problem rifle. I don't understand the general disliking of DPMS. Are there some threads someone could direct me to to help me understand? Still trying to get this one answered. http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pwswheghNQsEuEhjFwPrgTA&hl=en There is a reason DPMS is all the way to the right on the chart. |
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I have owned at least 10 DPMS rifles that I can remember off hand, maybe more, but I would have to check my log books and that is too much trouble. I have been buying thier products since a 1000 round case of Winchester white box was $85. I still own 6 of the at least 10. I have fired 1000's of rounds through all of them. Back when ammo was cheap, it was nothing for me to go through 500 rounds a week. Here is a list of things that has never happened to any of my DPMS rifles:
1) No carrier key has ever loosened up on a bolt carrier - a couple of these have in excess of 8000 rounds on them and one has over 15000 on it. 2) I have never had a carbine stock castle nut come loose even though it isn't staked. I take that back, I had one come loose after I used a torch to heat the loctite so I could do a stock swap. 3) I have never had an out of spec chamber. 4) I have never had any issues with firing surplus military ammo. 5) I have never had any issues with any of the extractors 6) I have never witnessed any fit an finish issues with any of my rifles - most of the DPMS' are better than my Colts List of things I have had go wrong: 1) Shot the throat out of a couple of barrels - non-chrome-lined seems to make it about 8000 rounds before you see accuracy degrage to greater than 2 MOA - using ammo whose spec is 4MOA 2) I have cracked a couple of pairs of "Glacier Guards" - they are kind of cheap in my opinion, but they work 3) I had a "National Match" A2 sight that wouldn't track properly 4) A few of the older rifles had pretty rough triggers with lots of creep - haven't noticed this in newer ones or parts kits. I even offered to video a torture test on an off the shelf, new in box AP-4 if the bashers on here would supply ammo but had no takers. Bottom line is the OP got a decent rifle that will bring him many years and many 1000's of rounds of enjoyment that is made by a company that supports the NRA and the shooting sports - and this site for that matter. The only advice I can offer the OP is get some ammo and go to the range! |
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I have owned at least 10 DPMS rifles that I can remember off hand, maybe more, but I would have to check my log books and that is too much trouble. I have been buying thier products since a 1000 round case of Winchester white box was $85. I still own 6 of the at least 10. I have fired 1000's of rounds through all of them. Back when ammo was cheap, it was nothing for me to go through 500 rounds a week. Here is a list of things that has never happened to any of my DPMS rifles: 1) No carrier key has ever loosened up on a bolt carrier - a couple of these have in excess of 8000 rounds on them and one has over 15000 on it. 2) I have never had a carbine stock castle nut come loose even though it isn't staked. I take that back, I had one come loose after I used a torch to heat the loctite so I could do a stock swap. 3) I have never had an out of spec chamber. 4) I have never had any issues with firing surplus military ammo. 5) I have never had any issues with any of the extractors 6) I have never witnessed any fit an finish issues with any of my rifles - most of the DPMS' are better than my Colts List of things I have had go wrong: 1) Shot the throat out of a couple of barrels - non-chrome-lined seems to make it about 8000 rounds before you see accuracy degrage to greater than 2 MOA - using ammo whose spec is 4MOA 2) I have cracked a couple of pairs of "Glacier Guards" - they are kind of cheap in my opinion, but they work 3) I had a "National Match" A2 sight that wouldn't track properly 4) A few of the older rifles had pretty rough triggers with lots of creep - haven't noticed this in newer ones or parts kits. I even offered to video a torture test on an off the shelf, new in box AP-4 if the bashers on here would supply ammo but had no takers. Bottom line is the OP got a decent rifle that will bring him many years and many 1000's of rounds of enjoyment that is made by a company that supports the NRA and the shooting sports - and this site for that matter. The only advice I can offer the OP is get some ammo and go to the range! I agree completely!!  I too have have 10 or more of the DPMS rifles and have had ZERO troubles with them. They make a great AMERICAN product!!!
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i have one.....i have only put 2-300 rounds through it but no probs so far and the upper and lower is tight.....no slop anywhere......great rifle Thats great to hear, I picked up one a few weeks ago for $1299. Congrats on paying for a Colt 6920 and taking delivery on a DPMS.
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I have owned at least 10 DPMS rifles that I can remember off hand, maybe more, but I would have to check my log books and that is too much trouble. I have been buying thier products since a 1000 round case of Winchester white box was $85. I still own 6 of the at least 10. I have fired 1000's of rounds through all of them. Back when ammo was cheap, it was nothing for me to go through 500 rounds a week. Here is a list of things that has never happened to any of my DPMS rifles: 1) No carrier key has ever loosened up on a bolt carrier - a couple of these have in excess of 8000 rounds on them and one has over 15000 on it. 2) I have never had a carbine stock castle nut come loose even though it isn't staked. I take that back, I had one come loose after I used a torch to heat the loctite so I could do a stock swap. 3) I have never had an out of spec chamber. 4) I have never had any issues with firing surplus military ammo. 5) I have never had any issues with any of the extractors 6) I have never witnessed any fit an finish issues with any of my rifles - most of the DPMS' are better than my Colts List of things I have had go wrong: 1) Shot the throat out of a couple of barrels - non-chrome-lined seems to make it about 8000 rounds before you see accuracy degrage to greater than 2 MOA - using ammo whose spec is 4MOA 2) I have cracked a couple of pairs of "Glacier Guards" - they are kind of cheap in my opinion, but they work 3) I had a "National Match" A2 sight that wouldn't track properly 4) A few of the older rifles had pretty rough triggers with lots of creep - haven't noticed this in newer ones or parts kits. I even offered to video a torture test on an off the shelf, new in box AP-4 if the bashers on here would supply ammo but had no takers. Bottom line is the OP got a decent rifle that will bring him many years and many 1000's of rounds of enjoyment that is made by a company that supports the NRA and the shooting sports - and this site for that matter. The only advice I can offer the OP is get some ammo and go to the range! I agree completely!! I too have have 10 or more of the DPMS rifles and have had ZERO troubles with them. They make a great AMERICAN product!!![img]http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/icon_smile_big.gif[/img][img]http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/icon_smile_big.gif[/img]
As opposed to the Chinese and Mexican made AR15s? |
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Bottom line is the OP got a decent rifle that will bring him many years and many 1000's of rounds of enjoyment that is made by a company that supports the NRA and the shooting sports - and this site for that matter. The only advice I can offer the OP is get some ammo and go to the range! Already got the ammo, range test this wk-end, weather permitting. This is NOT my 1st DPMS. I had a Panther Lite 16. Wanted something a little more versatile so I got the AP4. All my old AR did was shoot really accurately, eat every kind of ammo I fed it and never malfunctioned and I didn't have to sign over my 1st born to buy it! |
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DPMS was purchased by Cerberus, as was Remington, Bushmaster, Cobb, Marlin and others. DPMS makes the R25, Bushmaster makes the R-15.
The chart has some misleading information. Please see the DPMS Mythbusting Thread for more information on what has been left out. |
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Ok so according to the chart compiled by Rob S., it had no checked box indicating that DPMS AP4 has a properly staked gas key. According to the "mythbusting" link from DPMS: We correctly stake our gas keys on all rifles, barrel assemblies, and complete carriers as pictured.
So which is it? I'm inclined to believe the person who is making them. |
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Ok so according to the chart compiled by Rob S., it had no checked box indicating that DPMS AP4 has a properly staked gas key. According to the "mythbusting" link from DPMS: We correctly stake our gas keys on all rifles, barrel assemblies, and complete carriers as pictured.
So which is it? I'm inclined to believe the person who is making them. Yeah, the "chart" is pretty much a joke. |
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Ok so according to the chart compiled by Rob S., it had no checked box indicating that DPMS AP4 has a properly staked gas key. According to the "mythbusting" link from DPMS: We correctly stake our gas keys on all rifles, barrel assemblies, and complete carriers as pictured.
So which is it? I'm inclined to believe the person who is making them. Yeah, the "chart" is pretty much a joke. No, it is not. The chart is not misleading, Rob explicitly states that the chart is meant for what you are likely to encounter on a gun shop wall. Chrome lining is extra, 1/7 is optional, etc. If you want to special order that is fine, but that's not what the chart is about. Second, "properly staked" according to whom? DPMS might have begun properly staking their carrier keys but Pat Rogers still keeps a MOACS to stake his students' keys before his classes begin. There are numerous pictures of improperly staked DPMS carrier keys. I'm sorry you bought one and feel you must defend how you spent your money. If you are happy with your purchase that is great but to brush off a factual chart because it hurts your feelings is a bit asinine. |
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DPMS was purchased by Cerberus, as was Remington, Bushmaster, Cobb, Marlin and others. DPMS makes the R25, Bushmaster makes the R-15. The chart has some misleading information. Please see the DPMS Mythbusting Thread for more information on what has been left out. DPMS, Thank you for posting that link! I love my DPMS rifle and I wish I could buy one of every kind. I am a huge fan of your products! How's your backorder looking these days? |
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Ok so according to the chart compiled by Rob S., it had no checked box indicating that DPMS AP4 has a properly staked gas key. According to the "mythbusting" link from DPMS: We correctly stake our gas keys on all rifles, barrel assemblies, and complete carriers as pictured.
So which is it? I'm inclined to believe the person who is making them. Well, this is what a properly staked gas key is supposed to look like so I'll let you be the judge: 
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No, it is not. The chart is not misleading, Rob explicitly states that the chart is meant for what you are likely to encounter on a gun shop wall. Chrome lining is extra, 1/7 is optional, etc. If you want to special order that is fine, but that's not what the chart is about. Second, "properly staked" according to whom? DPMS might have begun properly staking their carrier keys but Pat Rogers still keeps a MOACS to stake his students' keys before his classes begin. There are numerous pictures of improperly staked DPMS carrier keys. I'm sorry you bought one and feel you must defend how you spent your money. If you are happy with your purchase that is great but to brush off a factual chart because it hurts your feelings is a bit asinine. My feelings aren't hurt one bit. But this chart you provided has just been proven to be inaccurate, unless of course you're syaing the DPMS rep on here is lying and making shit up. |
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It's always entertaining to listen to the DPMS haters. The ONLY thing that counts worth a crap is........Does it do the job! Colt and other makers make a fine weapon, but they are not the "be all, and end all" of ARs. Depends on what "the Job" is. I don't think so at all. I would trust my DPMS to any 'job' that someone with a Colt was doing. The constant "mine is better than yours because it's a (enter over priced brand name AR maker here)" on this site is entertaining though.
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It's always entertaining to listen to the DPMS haters. The ONLY thing that counts worth a crap is........Does it do the job! Colt and other makers make a fine weapon, but they are not the "be all, and end all" of ARs. Depends on what "the Job" is. I don't think so at all. I would trust my DPMS to any 'job' that someone with a Colt was doing. The constant "mine is better than yours because it's a (enter over priced brand name AR maker here)" on this site is entertaining though.
So you would trust the DPMS to replace all Colt M4s in current Military service? The term 'overpriced" is often thrown around by those who have a major lack of understanding that not all are created equal and it's more than a rollstamp that you are paying for. |
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It's always entertaining to listen to the DPMS haters. The ONLY thing that counts worth a crap is........Does it do the job! Colt and other makers make a fine weapon, but they are not the "be all, and end all" of ARs. Depends on what "the Job" is. I don't think so at all. I would trust my DPMS to any 'job' that someone with a Colt was doing. The constant "mine is better than yours because it's a (enter over priced brand name AR maker here)" on this site is entertaining though.
If you have two identical products, the one made of higher quality materials, with more labor in quality control is going to cost more not be "over priced." But fear not, 87GN made a new chart for you so you can sleep tight at night. 
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It's always entertaining to listen to the DPMS haters. The ONLY thing that counts worth a crap is........Does it do the job! Colt and other makers make a fine weapon, but they are not the "be all, and end all" of ARs. Depends on what "the Job" is. I don't think so at all. I would trust my DPMS to any 'job' that someone with a Colt was doing. The constant "mine is better than yours because it's a (enter over priced brand name AR maker here)" on this site is entertaining though.
If you have two identical products, the one made of higher quality materials, with more labor in quality control is going to cost more not be "over priced." But fear not, 87GN made a new chart for you so you can sleep tight at night. http://www.azbattlerifles.com/images/DPMS.jpg LOL thats funny!
Seems to me, you are the one who might have trouble sleeping at night! You are spending a lot of time and effort to tell DPMS owners their rifles are inferior. Trust me when I say, I have no regrets about my choice in an AR rifle and I would trust it to perform flawlessly whether I was punching holes in paper, varmints, predators or people. |
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It's always entertaining to listen to the DPMS haters. The ONLY thing that counts worth a crap is........Does it do the job! Colt and other makers make a fine weapon, but they are not the "be all, and end all" of ARs. Depends on what "the Job" is. I don't think so at all. I would trust my DPMS to any 'job' that someone with a Colt was doing. The constant "mine is better than yours because it's a (enter over priced brand name AR maker here)" on this site is entertaining though.
So I guess you know more than the likes of Pat Rogers who has seen more rounds go down range by more brands than you could possibly see in multiple lifetimes
A DPMS will work fine for the average target shooter but you're kidding yourself if you think it's equal to a Colt and just plain crazy if you would take it into combat. |
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DPMS was purchased by Cerberus, as was Remington, Bushmaster, Cobb, Marlin and others. DPMS makes the R25, Bushmaster makes the R-15. The chart has some misleading information. Please see the DPMS Mythbusting Thread for more information on what has been left out. DPMS, Thank you for posting that link! I love my DPMS rifle and I wish I could buy one of every kind. I am a huge fan of your products! How's your backorder looking these days? The backorder has dropped a bit, we're currently around 130,000 rifles on order. Base model .223/5.56 rifles are being quoted at under 6 months. 308s are still behind a bit more, base models are 6-12. Custom guns are being quoted 6-18 depending on upgrades. AR15 parts kits are right around 6 months. The last thing I'm going to say on the subject of the chart is that DPMS has over 40 rifle models in 13 calibers (3 discontinued). Every rifle ordered from us can be upgraded to some extent (except the Sportical). If you go to a gunshop you are just as likely to find a base model AP4A as you are to find a chrome lined 20" Classic with a Magpul stock and chrome bolt carrier. MOST of our rifles are ordered by small gun shops with at least 1 upgrade of some kind. Some of the big box stores only order certain base models, but there are fewer big box stores than little shops ordering too. All in all, you need to take any comparison of two manufacturers (be it rifles or toaster ovens) with a grain of salt. It might be an apple to apple comparison, or it might be apples to tennis shoes. |
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