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Posted: 8/3/2013 9:33:40 PM EDT
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I know of no real way to reliably do it.
IF the original manufacturer will tell you how it was shipped would tell you whether they built it as something, or sold it as a lower only. Also, it may have gone to a distributor first before retail sale, and if so you'd have chase it there also. Then IF through manufacturer and/or distributor you can find which FFL actually first transferred it, you could approach him (he could have built it as something before sale). Note that no FFL has to reveal any info except to LE though, so I wouldn't expect any of them along the line to be overly helpful. And finally, though it's highly unlikely to ever bite ya, IF you did find it was indeed first transferred from FFL to first retail customer as only a lower, the first owner could have still first built it as a rifle, which technically means it could never legally be a pistol even after all that. - OS |
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Does your state have pistol registration for it to be "registered as a pistol"?
Receivers are not "registered" as a pistol, since they aren't anything other than receivers. They become a pistol or rifle when assembled as such. Non-NFA firearms are not "registered" unless you have some local or state requirement. |
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Quoted: I know of no real way to reliably do it. IF the original manufacturer will tell you how it was shipped would tell you whether they built it as something, or sold it as a lower only. Also, it may have gone to a distributor first before retail sale, and if so you'd have chase it there also. Then IF through manufacturer and/or distributor you can find which FFL actually first transferred it, you could approach him (he could have built it as something before sale). Note that no FFL has to reveal any info except to LE ATF though, so I wouldn't expect any of them along the line to be overly helpful. And finally, though it's highly unlikely to ever bite ya, IF you did find it was indeed first transferred from FFL to first retail customer as only a lower, the first owner could have still first built it as a rifle, which technically means it could never legally be a pistol even after all that. - OS Local LE walks in and asks to see my books I tell them to go pound sand, period. |
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FIFY. FFL records are only released to ATF. LE has no way of obtaining the records without the ATF. Judges will not sign an order to release them either, they will simply refer to the ATF. ATF simply asks the FFL for them, the FFL MUST turn them over to the ATF when requested. If the FFL does not turn them over to ATF then the court will issue an order. Local LE walks in and asks to see my books I tell them to go pound sand, period. Quoted:
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I know of no real way to reliably do it. IF the original manufacturer will tell you how it was shipped would tell you whether they built it as something, or sold it as a lower only. Also, it may have gone to a distributor first before retail sale, and if so you'd have chase it there also. Then IF through manufacturer and/or distributor you can find which FFL actually first transferred it, you could approach him (he could have built it as something before sale). Note that no FFL has to reveal any info except to LE ATF though, so I wouldn't expect any of them along the line to be overly helpful. And finally, though it's highly unlikely to ever bite ya, IF you did find it was indeed first transferred from FFL to first retail customer as only a lower, the first owner could have still first built it as a rifle, which technically means it could never legally be a pistol even after all that. - OS Local LE walks in and asks to see my books I tell them to go pound sand, period. Is it actually illegal for an FFL to divulge info regarding a firearm to other than ATF, or just who he is required to tell? Meaning, could not any of them (manufacturer, distributor, or retail) release info if they chose to? Pertinent to the OP's original question, could you as (I assume) final retail FFL reveal merely the status of the lower as transferred, without of course telling who it was sold to, if you chose to? - OS |
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Talked to LGS guy and he said he didn't know a way of looking it up, WTF,, , he said he didn't think it mattered about the registration as long as it was in a pistol configuration and not a SBR configuration. You keep saying "registration", which doesn't exist federally, or in most states. However, it could most certainly "matter" if the lower was originally both configured and transferred as a rifle on 4473. Maybe both you and he are equating 4473 transfer with "registration". He's right though in that it wouldn't likely ever matter unless you came under LE scrutiny for something or other first, so that they had a reason to dig into the history of the thing. - OS |
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You keep saying "registration", which doesn't exist Quoted:
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Talked to LGS guy and he said he didn't know a way of looking it up, WTF,, , he said he didn't think it mattered about the registration as long as it was in a pistol configuration and not a SBR configuration. You keep saying "registration", which doesn't exist This. |
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You need lower, lpk, and pistol buffer. or you could use the same buffer from your current lower.
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