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Posted: 9/21/2006 10:02:55 PM EDT
| Was just thinking about this. What is the difference between M4gery and Midlenght? And what is the pros and cons for each system? Thanks. |
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An M4gery (I hate that term) has a short carbine gas system which is "harsh" or more violent than a rifle gas system. A midlength is exactly that, the gas system is halfway between carbine and rifle gas systems. It is less harsh or violent than a carbine gas system while still remaining compact. TS |
| Also, the mforgery has the cutout on the barrel for the 203 grenade launcher, which some have said is a weak point in the barrel for obvious reasons. The hand guard on the midlength is longer as well giving more space on rails and what not. The midlength has a diffrent balance than a carbine length. I really like the mid length, but it's all personal preference. |
that about covers it; CAR vs middy system try a search |
In a 16 inch bbl, the carbine length gas system gets its pants beat off by the midlength. |
The M4 is better at looking "cool" and more like the military M4 model - for the people who care about that.  But for a 16" system, I think the midlength has a number of small advatages. I'd never take a 16" carbine/M4 over a 16" midlength, if given the choice. However - there's nothing WRONG with a 16" carbine/M4 configuration. It is a great rifle, and very versatile. The midlength is just SLIGHTLY better on a few dimensions - but for practical purposes it makes little difference. |
And the same morons will go have their barrels turned down to reduce weight.  Most of the goofballs who would make that assertion are probably just worried about accidentally sitting their fat commantard asses on thier rifles. |
You can get your barrel reprofiled to a lighter weight. I have a SDI middy bbl with the .gov profile - lighter than a gov profile carbine bbl. |
Sorry for being anal about details and correcting you, but the mid-length is NOT EXACTLY half way between carbine and rifle. Mid-Length IS exactly 2" longer than carbine. Rifle length is 5 3/8" longer. Mid-length is therefore 11/16" shorter than EXACTLY half-way between them. Yes, I know I'm a smartass.  Here are my published drawings of all the gas systems side-by-side: Gas Systems |
14.5" barrels are M4 profile, so a shorter barrel is the main advantage if that's what you want. The carbine gas system has been around for a while, so there are a lot more companies that make 16" M4s. Personally, I have a M4 barrel because it's 14.5" long (w/ perm attached flash suppressor of course). For a 16" barrel, midlength all the way. The only problem is availability--I can't find a govt. profile midlength anywhere this isn't a lot more expensive than a M4-type. |
I know the feeling...  MN |
In equal quality barrels and features, the profile really does not change the cost to manufacture by a significant amount. Being able to produce a larger run of barrels will certainly lower the price. Give a more specific example where M4 barrels are cheaper. Are you talking about different manufacturers M4 barrel vs mid-length govt? As an example, look at CMMG. They offer a mid-length govt profile barrel for $250. I have them in stock if you need one. They also offer 14.5" M4 barrels for $250. Where is the price discrepency here? Are you possibly comparing DPMS M4 barrels for $200 to Sabre Mid-length govts for $300? There certainly is a descrepency there, but that's more the DPMS/Sabre descrepency than the 14.5 M4/Mid-length govt descrepency. The latest-greatest fad is mid-length 14.5" barrels. I have been cutting down and permanent attaching to make these for a while now. |
Probably so... In the past, (from the time I heard about mid-lengths to about 3 or 4 years ago) it was significantly easier to purchase a Bushmaster M4 barrel in either length than it was to find a chrome lined mid-length barrel at any price. Your choices back then were Armalite (who was always out at that time) and Rock River Arms, who only did very small runs of chrome lined, and then were .920 for the full length under the HG. Now, CMMG and a small but growing number of other barrel manufacturers have begun to cater to various sub-groups of AR lovers. I have a 14.5" CMMG mid-length, which I wouldn't trade for two M4 barrels... except maybe to sell them and buy two CMMG 14.5" mid-length barrels from Randall.  
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I have a RRA Middy and it needs the barrel turned down under the HG. How much would that cost me? |
contact ADCO or mr Randall at ar15barrels--i think they can tune em down for ~$50+shipping |
Yes, I was comparing $200 RRA and bushy barrels to CMMG barrels and noveske barrels. |
I realize that. I was simply stating that a lot of the mainstream companies (BM, RRA, Colt, etc.) don't offer govt. profile middy barrels. Yes, some do, but not nearly as many that offer 16" M4 barrels. Many of the companies that do are higher end companies, hence higher prices. |
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