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5/21/2012 2:29:26 PM EDT
Not sure if this should be here or in Industry but I will try here first.

What is a good way build a non functioning AR that will sill cycle and can be droken down to teach cleaning/mechanics/handling?

I have a few friends that want me to teach their wifes/girlfriends/kids the basics of a modern sporting rifle, and one of them is very active in the Boy Scouts and other community minded groups that I would be more than willing to teach. They would all be WAY more confortable knowing that the rifle was non functioning and I would be more comfortable knowing that they wouldn't break one of my functioning AR's

I have plenty of older parts around, but I have never deliberatly built a non functioning rifle...lol
5/21/2012 2:34:52 PM EDT
[#1]
take the firing pin out would be the easiest way i can think of.
 





ETA: Also, using dummy rounds when doing demos/lessons would be beneficial to "soothing" minds of those who would protest.
5/21/2012 2:35:52 PM EDT
[#2]
Spare parts build minus a firing pin? That's about as close as you can get to functioning without being able to fire.
5/21/2012 2:38:45 PM EDT
[#3]
since you want to teach w/ it...
might as well keep it as complete as possible
just cut down the firing pin & plug the barrel , if you like
5/21/2012 2:41:10 PM EDT
[#4]
Don't remove the firing pin, bad things will happen.

If you want a 100% safe rifle grind the tip off the firin pin and weld the firing pin hole in the bolt shut.

Then plug the bore at the muzzle and clearly mark the rifle as "Training Only".

Will hand cycle dummy rounds but will never fire.
5/21/2012 2:41:31 PM EDT
[#5]
I would go with a Tokyo Marui M4 airsoft rifle; they are pretty realistic looking, right down to the military markings (if you can find one that has not been mangled up).

I have one and I am gonna add an M203 and some other doodads to make it look like the ones used in Afghanistan. If you get bored, then put a battery on it and plink some beer cans with the kids in the backyard.
5/21/2012 2:42:18 PM EDT
[#6]



Quoted:


since you want to teach w/ it...

might as well keep it as complete as possible

just cut down the firing pin & plug the barrel , if you like


This.  Do not leave the firing pin out entirely, the rifle won't function very well without it.



 
5/21/2012 2:45:15 PM EDT
[#7]
Quoted:
take the firing pin out would be the easiest way i can think of.  


ETA: Also, using dummy rounds when doing demos/lessons would be beneficial to "soothing" minds of those who would protest.


This but grind off the tip of firing pin.
Ive done something similar to what you are talking about, I painted the bcg and modified firing pin to make sure it was always easy to ID. Always keep live ammo away from specified rifle and mag and always use dummy rounds. Safety First.

Edit–– As I was typing others have said similar
5/21/2012 2:55:34 PM EDT
[#8]
modified fp, dummy rounds, in the film industry we use either specific blank guns or guns that have had the chamber and muzzle plugged so there is no possibility of a live round  ending up in there or firing a live round into a blocked barrel... ouch.

Would hate to trash a barrel like that unless its already shot out.

We shot real guns in the boy scouts. We learned about firearms safety first.

modifying firing pin should be all that's really required to make sure it's safe for your purposes.

maybe fill the chamber and bore with a bright silicone and a bright orange muzzle cap this would be semi reversible but, you wouldn't be able to demonstrate proper bore cleaning.
5/21/2012 4:02:12 PM EDT
[#9]
I'd leave the rifle as-is and just use dummy rounds... if you must alter it.. clearly it's been said, grind the firing pin... but you are teaching them about a gun, right? What's unreasonable about actually using a gun for that?
5/21/2012 4:10:35 PM EDT
[#10]
While the boy scouts may allow an AR in a safety class, boy scouts are not allowed to shoot semi-auto rifles.






 
5/21/2012 4:32:30 PM EDT
[#11]
You could take a old firing pin and grind the tip down, making it non funuctional but still complete for training purposes.  Just make sure it tagged as a training rifle so you don't grab it in an emergency.
5/21/2012 4:38:09 PM EDT
[#12]
Drill and weld a pin in the chamber to permanantly prevent a round from being chambered.
Also grinding the firing pin down sounds good.
5/21/2012 4:42:15 PM EDT
[#13]
I figured modifying the firing pin was the easiest/safest way to go. I can't in good conccience destroy perfectly good parts to do this but I can moddify a firing pin. (I have a drawer full of new and used)

I am basically just teaching cleaning, general operation etc...just a field strip and basic explanation of the major parts and functions. I am not doing this for money. It is not a certified class or anything. It all came about because a buddy of mine can't teach his wife...it is not that she isn't a cabable intelligent woman, just that when he talks she doesn't listen! Same thing happens when I coach my wife to lift weights...just a communication disconnect....then it blossomed into "can one of my other friends come too?" then it was "my son is in the scouts and is learning firearms safety etc, can he come too?"


I am all about safety and figured why not, at least if I see them at the range I will know that they at least have some basic knowlede.


Dummy rounds and modified firing pin it is and maybe a little dayglo paint

thanks for the input
5/21/2012 5:01:52 PM EDT
[#14]
Quoted:
While the boy scouts may allow an AR in a safety class, boy scouts are not allowed to shoot semi-auto rifles.


 


We shot old tube fed marlin .22s at camp in the 90s
5/21/2012 5:12:36 PM EDT
[#15]
It is still a loaded weapon even with the non firing mods and should be respected as that.  Comfort and safety often do not go hand in hand.  Leave as is. Weapons are serious business.
5/21/2012 6:00:35 PM EDT
[#16]
When I had the need to deactivate an AR, I did the 'remove tip of firing pin' bit and painted the head of the firing pin training blue.



When you grind it, you only have to take the thin part at the end, Stop your grind right where it jumps up in size.
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