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Posted: 1/17/2012 7:48:58 AM EDT
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I just picked up an XPS2-0, and I notice that the coating on the front glass seems as if it is starting to peel. The rear glass is completely fine.
Are these photos normal? https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-9MAw-9ODAHc/TxWl69R8cfI/AAAAAAAAAWo/u87G2PtMonc/s640/IMG_0093.JPG https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ljVRpkK1MjM/TxWl64s27aI/AAAAAAAAAWs/8s5nT-vKIUA/s640/IMG_0094.JPG Thanks, - Anthony |
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Gotcha. Doesn't it look a little shoddy though? Can someone compare to the glass on their EOtech and let me know? Thanks. It probably doesn't effect it in any way, but it does look sloppy. When you pay that much for something, you kind of expect it to be flawless looking, at least until you take it to the range. 
I know it's not the same model, but this is my 516. 
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It looks like that because EOTech's suck.
Just kidding. 
I own one and I love it...and apparently so does SOCOM. I think people are slightly crazy for hating on EOTech. I haven't noticed anything like that with mine...definitely get in touch with L3 and see what they say. |
| Thanks for the replies.I called EOtech, but the person handling the tech support is out for the week. I bought this through Amazon so I just had them ship me a replacement. For $450 you expect a bit of quality control. I'll report back on how the new unit is when I receive it tomorrow or Friday. |
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So wait, let me get this straight. You expect a replacement for a perfectly functioning unit that has absolutely nothing wrong with it and is put together correctly? All because you can see the glue???? Maybe eotech isnt for you because every single one has that glue.
You have to keep the lens on some how, those things dont just magically attah themselves |
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So wait, let me get this straight. You expect a replacement for a perfectly functioning unit that has absolutely nothing wrong with it and is put together correctly? All because you can see the glue???? Maybe eotech isnt for you because every single one has that glue. You have to keep the lens on some how, those things dont just magically attah themselves Of course they need glue to stay attached. How do you think your windshield is attached to your car? But on your car you don't see the glue dripping from the edges. The issue here is that too much glue was used and not properly cleaned up. No other EOTechs shown in this thread look like the photos I posted. I will call them on Monday and see what they have to say, just because I am curious. |
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So wait, let me get this straight. You expect a replacement for a perfectly functioning unit that has absolutely nothing wrong with it and is put together correctly? All because you can see the glue???? Maybe eotech isnt for you because every single one has that glue. You have to keep the lens on some how, those things dont just magically attah themselves Of course they need glue to stay attached. How do you think your windshield is attached to your car? But on your car you don't see the glue dripping from the edges. The issue here is that too much glue was used and not properly cleaned up. No other EOTechs shown in this thread look like the photos I posted. I will call them on Monday and see what they have to say, just because I am curious. I checked 556 A65 model; no excess glue like on yours. It looks like one posted by Vanquish. |
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So wait, let me get this straight. You expect a replacement for a perfectly functioning unit that has absolutely nothing wrong with it and is put together correctly? All because you can see the glue???? Maybe eotech isnt for you because every single one has that glue. You have to keep the lens on some how, those things dont just magically attah themselves Of course they need glue to stay attached. How do you think your windshield is attached to your car? But on your car you don't see the glue dripping from the edges. The issue here is that too much glue was used and not properly cleaned up. No other EOTechs shown in this thread look like the photos I posted. I will call them on Monday and see what they have to say, just because I am curious. I checked 556 A65 model; no excess glue like on yours. It looks like one posted by Vanquish. Perhaps this is specific to the xps models only... |
| I have an XPS 2-0, and it had a small bit of something on the upper edge of the front window. It looked like a chip in the edge of the glass. The clicks for the elevation were non existent as well. I called L3 and they told me to send it in for repairs. I got it back with both problems solved (same EOtech) |
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I own one and I love it...and apparently so does SOCOM. I think people are slightly crazy for hating on EOTech. People that have had negative experiences with EOTechs tend to dislike them. You're also forgetting SOCOM pulling their 553's for a while b/c of them breaking. I wish EO could match the durability of Aimpoint. I just can't trust them anymore, which is a shame because I prefer that reticule. ETA: OP, that EO glass looks fine. |
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I own one and I love it...and apparently so does SOCOM. I think people are slightly crazy for hating on EOTech. People that have had negative experiences with EOTechs tend to dislike them. You're also forgetting SOCOM pulling their 553's for a while b/c of them breaking. I wish EO could match the durability of Aimpoint. I just can't trust them anymore, which is a shame because I prefer that reticule. ETA: OP, that EO glass looks fine. I know what you're saying, but (for me) the field of view being less restricted and the circle-dot type reticle are huge advantages...too huge to give up unless there was a very good reason. I understand SOCOM did have trouble with some older units, but they've gone to a newer model (EXPS series I believe) that apparently works well for them. If SOCOM can forgive L3/EOTech, then I guess I can too.
And really, a lot of soldiers outside SOCOM use them too. I've talked to a few guys who weren't issued one with their M4's, so they bought one with their own money. In my opinion, that really speaks volumes about how the absolute most serious of users (i.e. people using them in war) feel about the benefits of that EOTech design. Looking at it objectively, you have to bear in mind the fact that holographic sight technology is relatively new compared to the 25-30 year old traditional red dot tube design. L3/EOTech is obviously getting plenty of funding and support from civilian, LE and Military markets (in other words, they are selling a ton of sights). For that reason I'm very confident they have the financial means to continue developing and improving the technology, and to make them more reliable than they might have been in the past. If you think of it from a business perspective, there is a huge market for this type of sighting system and they own it....there's a lot of money being thrown at them and there is way too much money to be made for them NOT to get it right. From what I hear, they have been getting it right for a little while now. As long as I keep seeing military guys using it, especially soldiers buying EOTech sights with their own money, I'll trust their newer models. Older ones, I would do my research before buying one used or something like that. |
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Soldiers spend their money on lots of things that they shouldn't. Them buying an item shouldn't be a ringing endorsement of anything. You would be less than pleased to see some of the idiotic things people can spend their money on (weapons/ger wise). I had 4 552's die on me during my last tour. Our arms room had a tough box full of broke ass 551/552's. I no longer have faith in EOTech. I can't speak for their latest offerings. Don't forget, the T1 is also being sourced ( I don't know where I saw that, but I did. I'm sure Augee can identify it).
IMO, it's not the holographic laser that's having the problem. It's primarily the battery issues (that may or may not have been fixed with the XPS - there's been conflicting info) and QC that's killing them. Without further derailing this thread, there's lots of information out there regarding EOs. Their end product simply hasn't matched APs quality/durability. |
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Quoted:Looking at it objectively, you have to bear in mind the fact that holographic sight technology is relatively new compared to the 25-30 year old traditional red dot tube design.
According to EOTech, holographic sight technology is around 40 years old from the days of He-Ne tube lasers, but only more recently adapted to a compact form using semiconductor lasers. |
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I called EOTech and sent them photos. They looked them over and told me to send it in for repair, or to return it to the store. Not sure what I'm going to do. Quoted:
The new one came today - it isn't as sloppy as the first one, but you would think they'd pay a little more attention to the uniformity of their glue. I will hold onto this until my Aimpoint PRO arrives, then decide which one I want to keep. i thought they sent you a new one already? im not sure if your trolling or not, your stories dont seem to make much sense |
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According to EOTech, holographic sight technology is around 40 years old from the days of He-Ne tube lasers, but only more recently adapted to a compact form using semiconductor lasers. Yep. I believe that L3 Communications actually invented the diffusion tech that allows holography with a diode laser. I'm not sure if that caused the creation of EOTech, or if EOTech was responsible for the tech. Either way, it's a newer tech than what Aimpoint is using, and it's necessarily more power-intensive due to the size of the reticle. Of course, it also allows for the much better reticles. You can use any image (and not just 2d images), and the center dots can be a lot smaller. The dot in a 512/552/XPS is about .3MOA, compared to the 2 or 4 MOA of an Aimpoint. The "1MOA" figure comes from the fact that that's about the smallest dot a human eye can resolve. |
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I called EOTech and sent them photos. They looked them over and told me to send it in for repair, or to return it to the store. Not sure what I'm going to do. Quoted:
The new one came today - it isn't as sloppy as the first one, but you would think they'd pay a little more attention to the uniformity of their glue. I will hold onto this until my Aimpoint PRO arrives, then decide which one I want to keep. i thought they sent you a new one already? im not sure if your trolling or not, your stories dont seem to make much sense His story does make sense. Amazon has sent a replacement, not EOtech. Replacement is just as bad. EOtech has authorized return for repairs. I do not see any trolling. |
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I called EOTech and sent them photos. They looked them over and told me to send it in for repair, or to return it to the store. Not sure what I'm going to do. Quoted:
The new one came today - it isn't as sloppy as the first one, but you would think they'd pay a little more attention to the uniformity of their glue. I will hold onto this until my Aimpoint PRO arrives, then decide which one I want to keep. i thought they sent you a new one already? im not sure if your trolling or not, your stories dont seem to make much sense I'm not sure why you think I would be trolling, not should you assume someone is trolling just because you don't like what they have to say. My story is pretty easy to understand: Received the first sight and posted photos. Couldn't get in touch with L3, so I had a replacement sent. The second one really isn't any better than the first one. I still have both sights as I haven't sent the other one back yet. I'll either keep one and send it to L3 for repair, or send them both back. The guy on the phone admitted this was sloppy and that the three XPS units on his desk did not look like this. |
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I called EOTech and sent them photos. They looked them over and told me to send it in for repair, or to return it to the store. Not sure what I'm going to do. Quoted:
The new one came today - it isn't as sloppy as the first one, but you would think they'd pay a little more attention to the uniformity of their glue. I will hold onto this until my Aimpoint PRO arrives, then decide which one I want to keep. i thought they sent you a new one already? im not sure if your trolling or not, your stories dont seem to make much sense I'm not sure why you think I would be trolling, not should you assume someone is trolling just because you don't like what they have to say. My story is pretty easy to understand: Received the first sight and posted photos. Couldn't get in touch with L3, so I had a replacement sent. The second one really isn't any better than the first one. I still have both sights as I haven't sent the other one back yet. I'll either keep one and send it to L3 for repair, or send them both back. The guy on the phone admitted this was sloppy and that the three XPS units on his desk did not look like this. i got you, i thought you mean you sent the first one back to eotech and got a new one, then you mentioned something about still having both so i thought you were confused lol |
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